Sonic the Hedgehog Appreciation Thread

[lightbane]

Sonic fandom is one of a kind, being extra-autistic and manic. As well as their detractors. Then again, after seeing how bad Archie comics got, it's not a surprise this happens.

ut in Frontiers? Every single fucking game, including what were up to this point considered to be spinoffs, are brought in. So now we have to believe that Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Riders, Sonic Lost World, Sonic fucking BOOM, AND the fanfiction American comic books (with all their yuribaiting filth, with the NUMBER ONE yuribait character Tangle being mentioned by name) all exist in the same continuity. So now the series's "overarching story" is even more of an explosive catastrophe than it was before.

There's a 0% chance that next Sanic game will care about all of that, as they're all stand-alone and what happens in one is quickly forgotten in the following one, even when it shouldn't. Everyone though Infinite and/or the plot-rock would show up in Frontiers... And they don't IIRC. Sonic Boom was the best of modern Sonic stuff cartoons, and it's basically Seinfield 1.5 that doesn't take itself seriously, things are that bad.
American comics really get bad indeed, and the Tangle + bargain bin OC donutsteel Sniper Wolf is inane, and worst of all, pointless, as the new comics have strict guidelines that state that the main characters can't get major changes in any way, so any OC characters could die an horrible way and no-one of the main cast would care. Hell, the new comics begin with a zombie arc in a children's book, and it has to be retconned because it literally destroyed the setting otherwise. At least the classic American Sonic comics had a charm of its own due how insane they were, with a character that was literally Pepe le Pew with sneakers, and a pedobear to boot. However, the OC meta-clones of Sonic and Tails (Surge and Kit-something), especially the bargain bin copy of Tails with water powers, might have some promise, as I'm not sure what you can do with these two, if anything at all.

Still, none of the comics' drama matter for the games or the shows, although I would love it if the incoming Knuckles series uses even if it's a quarter of the Archie comics' content. Seeing normies being exposed to that will be amazing.

EVERY American that has ever written for this series has been a complete disaster. I don't want anyone with any ties to those garbage fucking comic books having anything to do with the series. The comic books (and all things connected to them such as the Saturday morning cartoon) are the biggest cancer on Sonic's legacy and fanbase. Everyone involved are furry manchildren who try and force their own trite thoughts and opinions into a series made with children in mind. It's just like those shitty American cartoons like Adventure Time or Star vs. the Forces of Evil. It makes me cringe.

Hey, not-Terminator Sonic was okay, shame that it was unfinished. No idea about Sonic Underground. Sonic Netflix is terrible but that was to be expected.
The two cartoon examples you mention are either Cal Arts or Cal Arts-adjacent, they are bad by default with few exceptions.

This sonic era is gonna deliver better quality games, but the writing will become less messy,derivative and uninspired.

It's funny that Mario's stories are even crazier and they're less messy and with less drama.
I would be okay if future games remembered there are more characters than Sonic, so they make a Tails Adventure 2, a Knuckles game, or whatever. Still, Sanic has the issue that the cast is bloated and some characters are borderline unusable: Rouge pretty much exists as fanservice and to create furries and could be replaced with minor changes. Shadow is furry Vegeta that should have been killed for real a long time ago. The killer robot is okay, but having him show up means you have to to introduce the last two.

I wish a game or show was made inspired by the British comics. They were free of drama and inanity.

 

[Falksi]

New Sonic game announced. Looks pretty good. They did a good job of translating the 16-bit era art style to 3d. It's a little weird seeing Amy with her classic Sonic CD look again.

That looks fucking awful graphically.

Gameplay looks good though, which is what counts ultimately.

 

[Fedora Master]

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Rouge pretty much exists as fanservice and to create furries and could be replaced with minor changes.

I used to think the same thing but she grew on me eventually. I like her interactions with the other characters in Heroes.

Shadow is furry Vegeta...

Maybe he's like that in the new games (especially with that shitty pirate voice they gave him) but he definitely wasn't in SA2, Heroes, or even his standalone game. Vegeta was made solely to be a villain character and so has a villain personality: extremely haughty and arrogant, existing only so his ego can get knocked down by the plucky underdog Goku. Him becoming a part of the main cast was a late change of course in response to fan feedback, and so he never really grew out of his haughty villain personality which is why he now exists as a perpetual jobber. Meanwhile, Shadow was intended to be a playable character from pretty early on in SA2's development, and the story was written with that in mind.

Shadow has a more serious demeanor than Vegeta, who is very loud and emotional (he is the #1 character for crying in Dragon Ball unless you count female characters) and is only seen as a stoic loner by people who never actually read/watched DB and only know about it second-hand. Shadow also exists separately from Sonic, with his own little team of characters, and he's usually doing his own thing, even in a newer game like Forces, while Vegeta has only ever existed to either attempt to one-up Goku, or act as his sidekick in newer entries. In general Shadow gets treated a lot better than Vegeta, probably because Akira Toriyama has little interest in side characters or fanservice.

 

[Ezekiel]

Mostly not into "2.5D" like in this new Sonic game. Easier to tell where your place and your surroundings are when the geometry is just flat. Objects stick out more.

 

[lightbane]

I used to think the same thing but she grew on me eventually. I like her interactions with the other characters in Heroes.

Didn't play that one though so I dunno.

r even his standalone game.

In that one, he's fully schizo by design, as the multiple gameplay routes means Shadow must have a flexible morality. Then the true ending fixes him to be a goody two shoes...
Although I liked how Shadow, in a fit of random madness, removed the Emerald powering a ship moving in space. While he was inside said ship, resulting in the ship crashing and him passing out. Thankfully, no-one blames him for that as Shadow has clear brain damage.

Him becoming a part of the main cast was a late change of course in response to fan feedback, and so he never really grew out of his haughty villain personality which is why he now exists as a perpetual jobber.

He got better in the Buu saga, for what's worth, while Goku got worse. No idea in Super.

Meanwhile, Shadow was intended to be a playable character from pretty early on in SA2's development, and the story was written with that in mind.

Sure, but he was still villanous. Shadow also has lots of baggage, which means he can't be used casually as say Rouge, as for newcomers you then have to introduce or imply his grimderp backstory. That's why Shadow stood out so much in Sonic Boom, as he was too serious for the setting. In newest games Shadow barely shows up to side-step that issue. Lastly, Shadow's fans are the worst of the fandom.

 

[Derringer]

Shadow the Hedgehog is funny, I've seen the comments about the E10 rating changes with the black aliens and the fmv models not matching them at all (even though they kept the lines in since they were lazy as fuck), the game is an entertaining schizophrenic mess they excused the development of because of an American poll they ran.

The new sonic game looks like an UE4 swap of Sonic 4 and those older UE4 tech demos people made for 2D Sonic.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

That's why Shadow stood out so much in Sonic Boom, as he was too serious for the setting.

Too bad Shadow didn't even act like himself in that game. "Friends are pathetic!", etc. He really was a shitty discount Vegeta there.

Lastly, Shadow's fans are the worst of the fandom.

True. At least when you ignore the fans of the female characters.

No idea in Super.

He acts cocky, loses, cries, then acts as Goku's cheerleader, in that order, in every arc. His promotion to secondary protagonist came at the cost of being the king of jobbers.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

 

[GhostCow]

He acts cocky, loses, cries, then acts as Goku's cheerleader, in that order, in every arc. His promotion to secondary protagonist came at the cost of being the king of jobbers.

You must not have seen the new movie where

Spoiler

he finally beats Goku at the end

 

[lightbane]

Too bad Shadow didn't even act like himself in that game. "Friends are pathetic!", etc. He really was a shitty discount Vegeta there.

I meant the Boom show, which ironically was the best part of the new attempt at rebooting the franchise (again). The games were mediocre or worse.

You must not have seen the new movie where

It's still played for laughs and completely irrelevant.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

You must not have seen the new movie where

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I saw it, yeah, but c'mon now. A training session in an after-credits scene in a movie where Goku and Vegeta aren't even relevant characters in the plot? Seems like a big cope to me. The fact that Vegeta would take pride in such a win really just makes him look more pathetic. You'd never see Shadow acting in such a way even at his worst.

Best Vegeta was when he was still a villain and was allowed to be cool and intimidating instead of a jobber.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

https://sonicfangameshq.com/forums/showcase/shadows-ladder.1404/

A horror-themed Sonic fangame starring Shadow. I remember playing the demo for this years ago, but the full release came out not long ago.

I haven't played the full version yet but I remember the game having really good controls, very accurate to the Genesis games but with other abilities. I think you even get guns like in ShTH. Sonic's gameplay works surprisingly well with a horror theme because you can easily put in chase sequences with unkillable monsters and have it work really well.

I remember this game reminding me of a less over-the-top version of Eggman Hates Furries, which was awesome.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Mania dev confirms that Superstars will have fully accurate 2D Sonic physics.

I've also heard that this isn't being developed by Sonic Team, though. Pretty unfortunate if that's true, since I was hoping it was Sonic Team finally caring about physics, but oh well, at least the game will be pretty good. Might be the first game I buy for full price in years.

 

[deuxhero]

Some of the emblems are way too bullshit to bother with if sane.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Some of the emblems are way too bullshit to bother with if sane.

Big the Cat's A and B emblems... they will bring a man to his knees.

It's okay, though, I'm used to it. I got all 130 emblems three or four times already. I liked SA1 a LOT a few years ago.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Sonic Superstars is being developed by Arzest, which is Naoto Oshima's company, the same one that developed Balan Wonderworld. Well, it says it's being "co-developed" with both Arzest and Sonic Team, but this claim has been made in the past with the DIMPS developed games such as the Advance trilogy and the Rush games, and to my understanding Sonic Team's involvement in those games was minimal. Still, the Rush games went on to heavily influence the mainline series, with even their director going on to direct Sonic Unleashed, so Superstars may have a similar effect.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Morio Kishimoto, the director of Sonic Frontiers and a bunch of earlier games throughout the 2010s, recently made a Twitter account to interact with fans, receive questions about development, and deliver news about the upcoming content updates for Frontiers.

He had never used Twitter before and was unaware that it publicly displays your liked tweets.

 

[Ezekiel]

Some of the emblems are way too bullshit to bother with if sane.

Big the Cat's A and B emblems... they will bring a man to his knees.

It's okay, though, I'm used to it. I got all 130 emblems three or four times already. I liked SA1 a LOT a few years ago.

I remember we got to 129/130 on the Dreamcast, with one missing Big the Cat emblem. Didn't bother continuing after the Super Sonic ending on PC last year.

 

[deuxhero]

Yep, after Super Sonic I just played around with mods (characters in wrong stage, Super Sonic anywhere etc.) before putting the game down.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

I like some of Frontiers and the direction they went in, but the writing is SO bad. All the references to past games are really forced, everyone is extremely sentimental and melodramatic for no reason, and Tails talks like a Jimmy Neutron redditor (when asked if he has faith in Sonic, he says "It's not a matter of faith, I have a lifetime of data that I've analyzed") Defenders of the game often go on about how it "fixed the characterization", but Amy still acts like a completely different character. In all the old games Sonic was running away from Amy constantly because she made him uncomfortable, but apparently they became best friends or something off-screen.

The Japanese script is also some cobbled together Google Translate shit from Ian Flynn's English script and what they're saying often conflicts with the animations. This sucks because I really cannot stand listening to the modern English cast of voice actors. They should've just have a Japanese writer like all the games with actually decent stories in this series, but the comic book faggots have been screaming for their gay manchild to write for the series ever since those two Pontaff retards took over after Colors. You can't even use the "it's a Sonic game, who cares about story?" excuse because there's 2 fucking hours of the characters standing around and talking about their feelings or whatever. If Frontiers had no dialogue whatsoever then it'd be a way better game.

I want to reiterate my opinion that trying to fit every entry in the series into a single continuity is completely retarded. Not only are the characters' personalities wildly inconsistent across the games, but the events of the games often contradict each other entirely, like how Blaze is from another dimension in Sonic Rush, but she's from the future in Sonic 06. The way some lorefags try to concoct this elaborate headcanon fanfiction to make the two fit together is embarrassing. Sonic Frontiers will mention the events of Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Lost World in the same sentence, which is complete tonal whiplash considering the drastically different aesthetics and tones of those two games.

I hope Sonic Superstars completely lacks any kind of story whatsoever, especially any kind of story tainted by American influence. It might seem funny for me to talk that way about Americans considering some of my other posts on this site, but in the case of Sonic, every American who's ever touched the series's story has been a retarded furry pedophile faggot, so it's safer to keep it Japanese only; and if it's Japanese only, then it's less likely that a bunch of weird furry trannies are going to insert lesbian relationships into the series, as in the abominable American comic books.

 

[lightbane]

. All the references to past games are really forced, everyone is extremely sentimental and melodramatic for no reason, and Tails talks like a Jimmy Neutron redditor (when asked if he has faith in Sonic, he says "It's not a matter of faith, I have a lifetime of data that I've analyzed")

I think you missed the best part at how Tails said "he is inconsistent" when he was pointed out his schizo behaviour between the games, where after Sonic 06 Tails became a coward.
It shouldn't have been mentioned at all. The best part though is Robotnik saying Amy was a strong woman.

In all the old games Sonic was running away from Amy constantly because she made him uncomfortable, but apparently they became best friends or something off-screen.

It's the closest thing to a romance, but it will never happen because Sanic must remain untied. Even Peach has more personality than Amy.

The Japanese script is also some cobbled together Google Translate shit from Ian Flynn's English script and what they're saying often conflicts with the animations.

If that's true, poor Japs. They got their game dramatized... And for absolutely no reason, as next main game will completely ignore the previous one, as it's been the case since forever, with few exceptions.

 

[Tse Tse Fly]

Cringe setting, cringe story, cringe characters, but the soundtrack and gameplay redeem it.



Theme of E-102ɣ - Sonic Adventure [OST]


the feels

 

[Zerth]

(when asked if he has faith in Sonic, he says "It's not a matter of faith, I have a lifetime of data that I've analyzed")

It's funny how they have Flynn on board, and still repeating the same writing habit from old sonic post adventure games in being cringe everytime a character tries to sound smart and technical.
For instance, when Tails refers the ARK as the first "Bernoulli spherical space colony" in SA2. what the hell fluids dynamics has to do with spacecraft spherical models smh

 

[GhostCow]

They'd be better off rebooting the franchise than trying to tie it all together. Otherwise I'm happy with the guy who did the comics writing for the games.