Game News Space Wreck finally coming to Early Access on December 5th

[Roguey]

At best this game has a niche audience, so a decision to add fake genders in is being senselessly polarizing during a time when everything, everywhere is fucking politicized. This isn't like a Bioware game where they got enough turd-slurping homosexual manchildren who're going to consume on whatever shit Bioware shovels out. Most of the people who'd even be interested in a game like this are old school gamers who aren't into the nu-normal woke BS. And that's why putting it in a game like this is totally retarded.

It didn't hurt Solasta any. Encased was also on board, but it had other more serious issues. Enbies are part and parcel of the RPG scene. Enby self-indulgence/pandering is here to stay.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

At best this game has a niche audience, so a decision to add fake genders in is being senselessly polarizing during a time when everything, everywhere is fucking politicized. This isn't like a Bioware game where they got enough turd-slurping homosexual manchildren who're going to consume on whatever shit Bioware shovels out. Most of the people who'd even be interested in a game like this are old school gamers who aren't into the nu-normal woke BS. And that's why putting it in a game like this is totally retarded.

It didn't hurt Solasta any. Encased was also on board, but it had other more serious issues. Enbies are part and parcel of the RPG scene. Enby self-indulgence/pandering is here to stay.

a 5e dnd rpg is not niche, it was also a last minute bait and switch after the game was already available in EA for months.

 

[Roguey]

a 5e dnd rpg is not niche, it was also a last minute bait and switch.

A relatively low budget 5e combat crawl doesn't exactly have the wider appeal that Baldur's Gate 3 does.

 

[thesheeep]

Almost all researchers in the current medical and humanities community being wrong or people with a much lower education level (nobody likes to hear this, but it's just a statistical truth) and no actual study experience on the topic, who just flat out refuse any science they don't like by any mental gymnastics necessary and are unable to deal with a world changing around them being wrong?

https://www.statnews.com/2019/06/25/alzheimers-cabal-thwarted-progress-toward-cure/
https://www.google.com/search?q=alzheimer's+scandal

Appeal to authority harder, faggot.

Oh no!
Something bad happened somewhere in the field of medicine, therefore all things you don't like must be suffering from the same and can be safely disregarded
Come on, that's such a straw that I feel like I should be handing you oxygen, lest you drown.

But yes, you are right that there is a chance that the entire gender thing is based on the very same kind of dogmatic approach and totally bogus.
It's a pretty tiny chance, so hold on to it tightly!
Best of luck.

In the meantime, though, me and most devs will go with the science and you can continue to go with whatever it is you do. Deal?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Almost all researchers in the current medical and humanities community being wrong or people with a much lower education level (nobody likes to hear this, but it's just a statistical truth) and no actual study experience on the topic, who just flat out refuse any science they don't like by any mental gymnastics necessary and are unable to deal with a world changing around them being wrong?

https://www.statnews.com/2019/06/25/alzheimers-cabal-thwarted-progress-toward-cure/
https://www.google.com/search?q=alzheimer's+scandal

Appeal to authority harder, faggot.

Oh no!
Something bad happened somewhere in the field of medicine, therefore all things you don't like must be suffering from the same and can be safely disregarded
Come on, that's such a straw that I feel like I should be handing you oxygen, lest you drown.

But yes, you are right that there is a chance that the entire gender thing is based on the very same kind of dogmatic approach and totally bogus.
It's a pretty tiny chance, so hold on to it tightly!
Best of luck.

In the meantime, though, me and most devs will go with the science and you can continue to go with whatever it is you do. Deal?

Will you go with the science and jump off a bridge to save the climate?

 

[thesheeep]

At best this game has a niche audience, so a decision to add fake genders in is being senselessly polarizing during a time when everything, everywhere is fucking politicized. This isn't like a Bioware game where they got enough turd-slurping homosexual manchildren who're going to consume on whatever shit Bioware shovels out. Most of the people who'd even be interested in a game like this are old school gamers who aren't into the nu-normal woke BS. And that's why putting it in a game like this is totally retarded.

It didn't hurt Solasta any. Encased was also on board, but it had other more serious issues. Enbies are part and parcel of the RPG scene. Enby self-indulgence/pandering is here to stay.

a 5e dnd rpg is not niche, it was also a last minute bait and switch after the game was already available in EA for months.

There is no case (to my knowledge) of a game that failed because of wokeness.
There are many cases of games that were woke and failed, but the reasons for failure were never the wokeness, but other, way more important things such as all-around terrible writing, bugs, game design, etc.

Even the biggest shitstorms games had to endure, no matter where they came from, left or right, failed to make any real dent in overall sales numbers.
The culture war stuff is ultimately irrelevant to most gamers (unfortunately not to journos, but hey...).

Will you go with the science and jump off a bridge to save the climate?

Nah. I'm wealthy enough to be able to deal with the consequences of climate change.
Might even get a pool. You know, a solar powered one. For the climate.

 

[luj1]

I could easily point you to a whole range of studies

show me a study which proves there are more than 2 genders

it doesnt exist

this dev could have made a third gender called "android" or something, and it would actually be cool af

but the urge to support the current thing is sadly stronger than creativity and originality

 

[rusty_shackleford]

show me a study which proves there are more than 2 genders

it doesnt exist

well, you see, there was a pedophile who made two young twins(one he 'reassigned' the sex of) perform sexual acts on each other while he took pictures, used the basis of this to try to redefine gender, said twins then grew up, the sex reassigned one realized he was never a woman and lived the rest of his life as a man, and both killed themselves over the trauma he inflicted upon them
therefore, you're wrong!!!

yes, this is REALLY the entire basis of their ideology btw

 

[Shin]

my theory is that rusty shackeford fucks trannies by the dozens, feels bad about it and thus rages against everyone about this stuff like he has to prove he ain't down with sucking tranny appendixes. Probably while his elderly mum keeps reminding him about his medication for blood pressure and his severe autism.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

my theory is that rusty shackeford fucks trannies by the dozens, feels bad about it and thus rages against everyone about this stuff like he has to prove he ain't down with sucking tranny appendixes. Probably while his elderly mum keeps reminding him about his medication for blood pressure and his severe autism.

 

[tentanz]

Switch release?

 

[Lovecraft's Ghost]

^ This poster is rather emblematic of one of the reasons why the Codex is not worthwhile to frequent these days.

Do you feel particularly targeted? Good.

 

[somerandomdude]

The other side of the medal claims that refusing to add it makes you a racist/sexist/whatever-ist kind of asshat you'll get the same screeching from a different direction. Very likely one that'll cause much more of a shitstorm than a small-ish forum like this.
It's not the devs politicizing things (in this case, anyway), it's just a topic that doesn't really allow much neutral ground.

Choosing to add fake liberal genders is taking a political position. I've seen games get review bombed over developers taking a political position on both sides. IMO, you can have an apolitical game without fake genders, but you can't have an apolitical game with them. Also, it's as luj1 said, if the 3rd option was "cyborg" or "android", that would have been perfectly fine. There are people in the middle who don't care for political shit in their games, so the safest approach is to always be apolitical in games. All the developer would have to do is change that 3rd gender option to robot/cyborg/android before it leaves early access. I honestly couldn't give a shit less about what his position is on Russia-Ukraine.

That's a whole lot of assumption and a whole lot of projection with a whole nothing of proof.
Pretty sure the dev could clear up what their audience (and the audience age) is better than you.... if he ever comes back.

The proof of who is right will be determined by whether the game bombs or not. For the sake of getting less of this garbage from indie developers, I'm hoping it does bomb.

 

[JarlFrank]

Just ask yourself this:
What is more likely?
Almost all researchers in the current medical and humanities community being wrong

Yes.

 

[gerey]

Remember when the experts were saying that shoving a needle up your nose to scramble your frontal lobe was a good thing, and that all of us should just trust the science and shut up?

Remember that?

Now, please explain to me how cutting off a perfectly functional penis or pair of breasts is any less barbaric.

 

[Bastardchops]

Nah. Trans folk here have access to way better medicine and procedures than whatever the hell happened to that person.

 

[Bastardchops]

same people telling you not to mention the dev's views will jump at the first chance to insult EA for "terrible business practices" despite those unlike a dev's personal views having far less impact on the game itself. they're arguing in bad faith

EA's games are it's terrible business practices. E.g. lootbox machines.

 

[Kruno]

Remember when the experts were saying that shoving a needle up your nose to scramble your frontal lobe was a good thing, and that all of us should just trust the science and shut up?

Remember that?

Now, please explain to me how cutting off a perfectly functional penis or pair of breasts is any less barbaric.

Cool it with the anti-Semitism!

 

[NecroLord]

Now, please explain to me how cutting off a perfectly functional penis or pair of breasts is any less barbaric.

Don't bother trying to explain that shit to a westerner. Some of those idiots actually believe that not having babies is a civic duty to help stop the climate change. Meanwhile abortions are all well and good. Nigger peaceful protests are also all well and good. Transitioning your kids and giving them hormone blockers are also perfectly fine.

 

[BrotherFrank]

Thing is, you'd just go ahead to say those aren't "real sciences" or the results are "politically motivated" or come up with some nice strawmen to tear down or some other reason just so that you can bend and twist reality to fit into that thick head of yours.
You are quite simply not worth the effort of serious discussion.

Just ask yourself this:
What is more likely?
Almost all researchers in the current medical and humanities community being wrong or people with a much lower education level (nobody likes to hear this, but it's just a statistical truth) and no actual study experience on the topic, who just flat out refuse any science they don't like by any mental gymnastics necessary and are unable to deal with a world changing around them being wrong?
Objectively, the answer is clear.
That's why I, not having studied in those fields, either, go with those that have - without going to the SJW extremes of the horseshoe and making everything about identity politics.
But somehow, you ended up in the second group. I wonder why.

Well guess everyone is going to have to stfu and suck my penis because I have studied in this field. And by the authority invested in me I decree that people here are absolutely right, the field of psychology, where most of this sexuality bs comes from, has been turned into a joke for quite a while.

First of all, it is a fact that the field is contaminated and tampered with, psychology journals where research is published do have an idealogical bias, to the point that a team actually submitted in an extract from Mein Kampf and switched the words around to be pro feminist drivel, it got accepted and even praised (meanwhile other research unpalatable to the modern dogma is rejected or has to be heavily censored otherwise they are refused publication). This ain't the only incident of its type and thankfully bought to light the degree to which grievance studies have contaminated and dominated the field.

Why is psychology so easily infiltrated? Because it's a soft science. What is a soft science? Well universal among the various scientific disciplines, in research there is something called a correlation coefficient that determines the strength of whatever variables you are testing for in your experiment. How high the correlation coefficient needs to be depends on the field, with physics for example needing a 0.9 (scale goes from 0 to 1 to so 0.9 means the correlation between two variables is almost guaranteed) coefficient strength in its studies to be taken seriously, thus making physics one of the hard sciences.

In psychology? It's considered top tier if you get a correlation coefficient of 0.3 but even 0.1 is acceptable, so you really can bullshit your way to anything, especially if it's idealogically approved so that no one can really argue your results, and then when your bogus research starts getting quoted by other bogus research making for a human centipede of idealogues turned pseudo "scientists" it results in what we have now.
And worst, in psychology we accept experiental research as standard in the field which is basically interviewing people and making whatever conclusions suits our views, these are the easiest of all to bs because you can skip the pretense of even being scientific here.
Experiental research has its place imo but the way it is abused now when it comes to trans and gender related issues has proven a great trojan horse for any random crazy to push their shitty views and have it treated as serious science, with your mentality of "just listen to the experts!" playing right into it.

And this problem has been building up for years since as mentioned, the way research works is you reference other people's work and once the field of psychology has started loosening its standards and let itself get contaminated it creates a self perpetuating ecosystem of bullshit and charlatans. I could write a half arsed research paper right now claiming being trans or non binary makes you mentally healthier then if you are "CIS" and it would likely be accepted no questions asked,
I'd just have to interview a few select people picked up from twitter and let them tell me what i want to hear, place it in a matrix for a semblance of scientific credibility and find a coefficient correlation of 0.1ish and bam, now its a "scientific fact" that trans people are more mentally healthy then non trans and if you try to make a research paper to debunk me it would never be published so your research therefore doesnt exist and im right and you are wrong, welcome to modern academia.

Seriously don't ever feel like you can't question a humanities major and if you ever meet one who tries to be all like "pah i'm an expert and you are a simple pleb who cannot understand how advanced my science is" then you are dealing with an arrogant deluded fool, psychology is an easy field where all we are taught is:
-basic statistics (and i had barely done any maths in school because i was in section L of the french education system, aka the one that focuses on writing and languages)
-how to conduct basic research and read research reports
-history of psychology (thankfully my teachers were quite happy to point out how much of it is questionnable, they used to rip on sigmund freud and loathed john money, the latter of which i imagine is celebrated as a hero now with the way his views have become mainstream and irrefutable fact somehow)
-introdution to a few treatment methods like CBT
-optional module in a specialist field like military psychology or sports psychology

None of this is arcane knowledge or something out of reach for the average pleb, if you understand basic stats and can skim through a wiki article, you are on the level of an average psychology major.

Sorry for the tldr and further derailling but I couldn't let that one stand.

 

[Moaning_Clock]

to the point that a team actually submitted in an extract from Mein Kampf and switched the words around to be pro feminist drivel

I first thought this was just some bs but I googled it. Lol, what a world we live in.

Thanks for the monocled write-up. I'm suspecting for a long time now that a lot of psychology is quackery especially the modern stuff.
All the science shitheads who don't understand that it's more than likely that 99% of science is simply wrong - like 20 years ago to today. "Some research proves it", yeah, wait if it is still proven 20 years from now.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

Again, it would not encourage anyone to become non-binary.

The problem lies in people having problems and proceeding to project the "non-binary-etc-propaganda" unto themselves thinking "well, I guess this was my problem all along! I can finaly belong!". This is dangerous to the individual and really quite sad. Slippery slopes and echo chambers are extra dangerous for people with mental health issues, and anyone would have to admit there has been a notable push in all types of media for this "everything-is-normal-and-good" shit. Not good.

 

[NecroLord]

Science is not like the fucking Ten Commandments. It is not set in stone.
Fauci cultists and "muh science" retards fail to comprehend this.
Also there is no scientifical basis and explanation on the existence of whatever the number of genders western "scientists" come up with.
Those motherfuckers can't even define what a woman is nowadays.

 

[Moaning_Clock]

Aside from the very interesting derail, I'm very interested in the game - c&c is always nice and I like the style even though I'm not a sci-fi guy - but I will wait until after EA.

 

[LostHisMarbles]

Lovecraft's Ghost totally off topic so apologies to everyone, but you have your profile set to private;

Are you someone's alt?
I like your posts man.
(now of course coming from me, not necessarily a compliment 'round here, so feel free to shit on me if that helps, no worries)