Starfield - Epic Shit Takes from Bethestards

[Vic]

This is the biggest cope in history man and even you know it.

I know that my favorite games aren't the most popular games. It's fairly common on the codex to like more obscure, cult classic, hidden gem type games. I can see this happening with Starfield, but I was hoping that by now the hype died down and the clowns are gone but I guess not.

How is Starfailed obscure? A cult classic or a hidden gem? How can you say it's going to become one when it's fallout 4 with more fast travel, so people will say Fallout 4 is the cult classic and Starfailed added junk and ruined it.

because most people don't like it, but there is a core community of diehard fans. I just wish all the people who don't like it would fuck off already.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

This is the biggest cope in history man and even you know it.

I know that my favorite games aren't the most popular games. It's fairly common on the codex to like more obscure, cult classic, hidden gem type games. I can see this happening with Starfield, but I was hoping that by now the hype died down and the clowns are gone but I guess not.

How is Starfailed obscure? A cult classic or a hidden gem? How can you say it's going to become one when it's fallout 4 with more fast travel, so people will say Fallout 4 is the cult classic and Starfailed added junk and ruined it.

because most people don't like it, but there is a core community of diehard fans. I just wish all the people who don't like it would fuck off already.

I'd like to see these 'core fans', you seem to be the only person who wants to defend it.

How does people thinking a game is shit make it obscure, a cult classic or a hidden gem? You didn't answer the question.

 

[Vic]

How does people thinking a game is shit make it obscure, a cult classic or a hidden gem? You didn't answer the question.

I did answer it. Most people don't like it with a smaller core audience who does. If the mod support is going to be good I can see longevity for years to come.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

How does people thinking a game is shit make it obscure, a cult classic or a hidden gem? You didn't answer the question.

I did answer it. Most people don't like it with a smaller core audience who does. If the mod support is going to be good I can see longevity for years to come.

Why would you buy a game you have to pay for mods to make playable? Why not just buy a better game? "Modding will fix it" never fixed a bethesda game.

 

[Vic]

How does people thinking a game is shit make it obscure, a cult classic or a hidden gem? You didn't answer the question.

I did answer it. Most people don't like it with a smaller core audience who does. If the mod support is going to be good I can see longevity for years to come.

Why would you buy a game you have to pay for mods to make playable? Why not just buy a better game? "Modding will fix it" never fixed a bethesda game.

only retards pay for mods

 

[ERYFKRAD]

but I was hoping that by now the hype died down and the clowns are gone but I guess not.

Yeah, I mean, you're still here.

 

[Vic]

but I was hoping that by now the hype died down and the clowns are gone but I guess not.

Yeah, I mean, you're still here.

I will defend Starfield to the bitter end

 

[Alienman]

What can change the nature of a man?

Starfield.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

How does people thinking a game is shit make it obscure, a cult classic or a hidden gem? You didn't answer the question.

I did answer it. Most people don't like it with a smaller core audience who does. If the mod support is going to be good I can see longevity for years to come.

Why would you buy a game you have to pay for mods to make playable? Why not just buy a better game? "Modding will fix it" never fixed a bethesda game.

only retards pay for mods

So Bethesda fans?

but I was hoping that by now the hype died down and the clowns are gone but I guess not.

Yeah, I mean, you're still here.

I will defend Starfield to the bitter end

Why? What do you get out of it? Why must you defend a billion dollar failed project?

 

[Vic]

Why? What do you get out of it?

why not

It's my favorite game that came out in the last couple years.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

Why? What do you get out of it?

why not

It's my favorite game that came out in the last couple years.

You don't even play it..

 

[Vic]

Why? What do you get out of it?

why not

It's my favorite game that came out in the last couple years.

You don't even play it..

I played it for 200 hours, which is more than most games I played. Waiting for the DLC and mods to give it another playthrough.

 

[Silverfish]

Why? What do you get out of it?

It's funny.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

Why? What do you get out of it?

It's funny.

I find it more sad. What has to have gone so wrong in your life you religiously defend a buggy, boring 10 years out of date fast travel sim?

 

[Suger]

NKB missed an opportunity. Rather than adressing the actual criticism, he decided to make some kind of bait which turned into personal drama.
He'll come to regret it I guess.

 

[Silverfish]

"Why aren't you taking the video game message board more seriously?" Dude.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

"Why aren't you taking the video game message board more seriously?" Dude.

It's funny at first, but then you see Vic is seriously distressed that people don't like Starfield. He tries to play it off like it doesn't phase him but it clearly does and he's struggling with Palworld making a mockery of it. I want to help the poor guy and get him away from his bethesda demons.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

but I was hoping that by now the hype died down and the clowns are gone but I guess not.

Yeah, I mean, you're still here.

I will defend Starfield to the bitter end

 

[Tehdagah]

The NeverKnowsBest video is necessary because it debunks this bullshit before it spreads any further. Forget whatever you think of Emil's/Bethesda's writing/game quality for a second, this is purely an effort to debunk a load of nonsense started by a deranged redditor who was probably a child at the time.

I'm not sure what he is debunking. Now, I have not watched the entire thing (i know, I know) , but his arguments seem weak and seems to be emotionally based. It's not that Emil is some new random hire, that was made to be a sacrificial lamb.

I didn't watch the whole video (skipped a lot of parts) but he talks about popular Youtubers lying about Emil not creating "game design documents". Also when Emil called out these Youtubers on Twitter, gaming communities in general thought he was saying "gamers are entitled". More outrage ensues.

Lmao this NKB video has sparked some proper drama

Oh woops didn't notice it had already been posted

I'm reminded of this video



These are rando gamer opinions, not PhD theses (and tbh most PhDs are garbage so there's no standards anymore). Simping for the developer of a hundred-bazillion dollar product shat out by Indian code farms is the gayest thing ever.

He's not defending Bethesda, he's defending a single person.

 

[Vic]

"Why aren't you taking the video game message board more seriously?" Dude.

It's funny at first, but then you see Vic is seriously distressed that people don't like Starfield. He tries to play it off like it doesn't phase him but it clearly does and he's struggling with Palworld making a mockery of it. I want to help the poor guy and get him away from his bethesda demons.

I'm sorry to say but I don't care about Palworld.

 

[Dave the Druid]

The NeverKnowsBest video is necessary because it debunks this bullshit before it spreads any further. Forget whatever you think of Emil's/Bethesda's writing/game quality for a second, this is purely an effort to debunk a load of nonsense started by a deranged redditor who was probably a child at the time.

I'm not sure what he is debunking. Now, I have not watched the entire thing (i know, I know) , but his arguments seem weak and seems to be emotionally based. It's not that Emil is some new random hire, that was made to be a sacrificial lamb.

I didn't watch the whole video (skipped a lot of parts) but he talks about popular Youtubers lying about Emil not creating "game design documents". Also when Emil called out these Youtubers on Twitter, gaming communities in general thought he was saying "gamers are entitled". More outrage ensues.

Lmao this NKB video has sparked some proper drama

Oh woops didn't notice it had already been posted

I'm reminded of this video



These are rando gamer opinions, not PhD theses (and tbh most PhDs are garbage so there's no standards anymore). Simping for the developer of a hundred-bazillion dollar product shat out by Indian code farms is the gayest thing ever.

He's not defending Bethesda, he's defending a single person.

Well more than that he's showing how bad information gets spread:

• Emil made a speech at some incredibly minor, obscure game dev conference
• One rando on reddit wrote a rambling, mildly deranged post where he mischaracterized several things Emil said in that speech,
• This ended up trending and spreading to multiple different subreddits because reddit is a shitty website and you should feel bad if you use it
• D-tier (more like F-tier tbh) Youtubers then made videos, most of which were them just reading out the entirety of said reddit post without applying any critical thinking because they're fucking youtubers
• This bad information ends up eventually spreading far and wide until it's just accepted as fact by fuckwits who don't bother doing the slightest bit of research (although even if you DID do research you'd probably find nothing but bad information since this bullshit is widespread at this point)
• When Starfield came out people started dog-piling Emil on twitter criticizing him based on things he never actually said/were taken wildly out of context (and this is probably the first time Emil himself has actually heard any of this "no design document" BS too)
• So Emil, who's never had an internet/twitter meltdown before, goes on a twitter rant about this misinformation
• This gets conflated with the whole "gamers are entitled" thing and since people just assume everything they've heard about Emil up to this point is true, they thus assume his twitter tirade proves the bullshit they've heard must be true

Again, it's got nothing to do with the quality of Emil's work, his writing, Bethesda's writing or general game quality. He doesn't even defend the original speech - as it is poorly worded at points. It's just that so many people are criticising Emil over shit that never actually happened. They're actually just parroting some fucking redditor in 2017 who blatantly got shit wrong.

 

[Rincewind]

The NeverKnowsBest video is necessary because it debunks this bullshit before it spreads any further. Forget whatever you think of Emil's/Bethesda's writing/game quality for a second, this is purely an effort to debunk a load of nonsense started by a deranged redditor who was probably a child at the time.

I'm not sure what he is debunking. Now, I have not watched the entire thing (i know, I know) , but his arguments seem weak and seems to be emotionally based. It's not that Emil is some new random hire, that was made to be a sacrificial lamb.

I didn't watch the whole video (skipped a lot of parts) but he talks about popular Youtubers lying about Emil not creating "game design documents". Also when Emil called out these Youtubers on Twitter, gaming communities in general thought he was saying "gamers are entitled". More outrage ensues.

Lmao this NKB video has sparked some proper drama

Oh woops didn't notice it had already been posted

I'm reminded of this video



These are rando gamer opinions, not PhD theses (and tbh most PhDs are garbage so there's no standards anymore). Simping for the developer of a hundred-bazillion dollar product shat out by Indian code farms is the gayest thing ever.

He's not defending Bethesda, he's defending a single person.

Well more than that he's showing how bad information gets spread:

• Emil made a speech at some incredibly minor, obscure game dev conference
• One rando on reddit wrote a rambling, mildly deranged post where he mischaracterized several things Emil said in that speech,
• This ended up trending and spreading to multiple different subreddits because reddit is a shitty website and you should feel bad if you use it
• D-tier (more like F-tier tbh) Youtubers then made videos, most of which were them just reading out the entirety of said reddit post without applying any critical thinking because they're fucking youtubers
• This bad information ends up eventually spreading far and wide until it's just accepted as fact by fuckwits who don't bother doing the slightest bit of research (although even if you DID do research you'd probably find nothing but bad information since this bullshit is widespread at this point)
• When Starfield came out people started dog-piling Emil on twitter criticizing him based on things he never actually said/were taken wildly out of context (and this is probably the first time Emil himself has actually heard any of this "no design document" BS too)
• So Emil, who's never had an internet/twitter meltdown before, goes on a twitter rant about this misinformation
• This gets conflated with the whole "gamers are entitled" thing and since people just assume everything they've heard about Emil up to this point is true, they thus assume his twitter tirade proves the bullshit they've heard must be true

Again, it's got nothing to do with the quality of Emil's work, his writing, Bethesda's writing or general game quality. He doesn't even defend the original speech - as it is poorly worded at points. It's just that so many people are criticising Emil over shit that never actually happened. They're actually just parroting some fucking redditor in 2017 who blatantly got shit wrong.

Sounds like standard human behaviour to me. This is why polticians still have their jobs.

 

[abija]

So what exactly is wrong from this list:
- shitty game journalist
- shitty writer
- has video on youtube showcasing his lack of knowledge
- fails upwards
- both writing AND design director for Starfield
- tweets during Starfield shitstorm reminding people of all of the above

 

[Butter]

Starfield is a hidden gem. 5 years from now: "The BEST RPG You've Never Played!"

 

[Dave the Druid]

Well more than that he's showing how bad information gets spread:

• Emil made a speech at some incredibly minor, obscure game dev conference
• One rando on reddit wrote a rambling, mildly deranged post where he mischaracterized several things Emil said in that speech,
• This ended up trending and spreading to multiple different subreddits because reddit is a shitty website and you should feel bad if you use it
• D-tier (more like F-tier tbh) Youtubers then made videos, most of which were them just reading out the entirety of said reddit post without applying any critical thinking because they're fucking youtubers
• This bad information ends up eventually spreading far and wide until it's just accepted as fact by fuckwits who don't bother doing the slightest bit of research (although even if you DID do research you'd probably find nothing but bad information since this bullshit is widespread at this point)
• When Starfield came out people started dog-piling Emil on twitter criticizing him based on things he never actually said/were taken wildly out of context (and this is probably the first time Emil himself has actually heard any of this "no design document" BS too)
• So Emil, who's never had an internet/twitter meltdown before, goes on a twitter rant about this misinformation
• This gets conflated with the whole "gamers are entitled" thing and since people just assume everything they've heard about Emil up to this point is true, they thus assume his twitter tirade proves the bullshit they've heard must be true

Again, it's got nothing to do with the quality of Emil's work, his writing, Bethesda's writing or general game quality. He doesn't even defend the original speech - as it is poorly worded at points. It's just that so many people are criticising Emil over shit that never actually happened. They're actually just parroting some fucking redditor in 2017 who blatantly got shit wrong.

Sounds like standard human behaviour to me. This is why polticians still have their jobs.

Well that's kinda what I was getting at with my TL;DR post before, there's just tons of common knowledge that really just complete, verifiable bullshit if you do the tinniest bit of research. And that's been going on long before the internet and social media happened, they've just made it spread a bit faster that's all. It seems to just be human nature sadly.