Starfield Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Crispy]

There's already a denegro mod for BG3, was on the nexus for a full day before it got taken down
https://rpghq.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=24805-baldur-s-better-aesthetics

Holy crap what a huge improvement. Downloaded.

I assume this has already been posted in our own BG3 thread.

 

[Vic]

This has mostly been solved, and for quite a long time. It still occasionally happens, but there's a lot more variety in random NPCs now.

so we are comparing CP2077 after years of patches vs newly launched Starfield?

 

[Crispy]

so we are comparing CP2077 after years of patches vs newly launched Starfield?

No, smartass, but I will tell you that behavior didn't happen much (in my recollection) when CP2077 was first released. I think I would remember that, too, because I was so fascinated with the city on the first day I started playing the game.

The NPC popin, the cloning, the object LOD popin, all that shit, was all introduced patch by patch in CDPR's attempts to not personally be responsible for the destruction of thousands of PS5's worldwide.

 

[Vic]

Todd, please patch it so that the funny sexy dialogue only triggers when sleeping aboard the safety and decency of the player's ship. With no corpses present. Thanks.

that's hilarious, yeah lots of stuff needs patching, my helmet is constantly clipping through the camera when I exit the loot menu

 

[AwesomeButton]

omg, this Sam Cole guy's writing. "Let's talk business...", "It's rough country..." This is Obsidian-level drivel. A waste of a good voice actor.

 

[Vic]

because I was so fascinated with the city on the first day I started playing the game.

It was really something, but the more I played the shallower it became, I hope the same won't happen to Starfield.

that was on launch btw, haven't touched the game since.

 

[AwesomeButton]

just checked out what reddit says about this because you are all whining bitches here and they all say "man I was so bored in my first few hours but then it just clicked!"

wtf

The art of self-conditioning? No, I'm still giving it the benefit of the doubt, but I'm only liking it for the novelty.

The main problem for me is what Lemming says:

It'd be like if they made Skyrim, except decided that Windhelm and Whiterun should exist on completely different maps which can only be travelled between via fast travel, and that those maps should be one hundred times larger than they need to be, and that the game's dungeons should spread across them with miles of blank space in between that the player has no vehicles to travel across.

What drags down the feeling of wonder and puts you out of exploration addict mode is having to go through the interface and wait out the loading sequences. As soon as they fix that, I will overlook the jank, at least for as long as I can find new hamster treadmills to run before I get fed up.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I think gamers need to play more board games. Board games are procedural by their very nature. You can't rely on presentation, convoluted narratives, or highly scripted events. You need game systems that provide meaningful engagement and diversity across permutations derived from the same base state. Furthermore, you also can't just chuck arbitrary complexity at them because the setup will become unbearable. You need to tune mechanics that are simple on their face but explode into emergent decision networks in practice. Chess and Go are very elegant games because their rule sets are so simple you could teach them to a child in 15 minutes, but the decision networks are so complex that even with entire datacenters of computing resources thrown at them they remain un-solved.

Whatever you might say that overindulgent attention-deficit spoiled brats should do more of, besides playing videogames, you would be correct.

 

[JamesDixon]

Lemming42 chooses an over the hill grandma to marry. He's into GMILFs it appears.

 

[Vic]

What drags down the feeling of wonder and puts you out of exploration addict mode is having to go through the interface and wait out the loading sequences. As soon as they fix that, I will overlook the jank, at least for as long as I can find new hamster treadmills to run before I get fed up.

after I gave up trying to explore planets on foot, I am now using my spaceship to hunt for planets that have points of interest on them, so that's how my exploration happens now in the game, which is yeah, a lot of menus and loading screens.

 

[AwesomeButton]

This is a raider base that we're clearing out, and the only reason I went to sleep was to heal myself.

You mean you're not stocked up with medkits up your neck? Admit it, you wanted to see if you will trigger a sex scene! (j/k)

 

[Mortmal]

The cherry on top is that my rtx 4070 seems to be barely enough to run the game at 1080p while its still looking like a stripped down GTAV. This is a new low even for Todd and the fact that he is mysteriously silent about it all just points me in the direction that this is the best the game can do and no patches will come along to fix it.

I am genuinely surprised that there are people here who still expect that a patch will solve the performance problems. That game was announced so many years ago, and they haven't done anything besides Fallout 76. They haven't made any progress on the Elder Scrolls games either. If they were able to optimize, they would have done so already. They were probably cutting costs with cheap, inexperienced youth, diversity hires, some nepotism to boot as usual, and even hiring underpaid modders. The uninspiring 50-year-old white male coder is definitely far too expensive and he's already hired into better jobs. So it will likely stay the way it is.

 

[Vic]

This is a raider base that we're clearing out, and the only reason I went to sleep was to heal myself.

You mean you're not stocked up with medkits up your neck? Admit it, you wanted to see if you will trigger a sex scene! (j/k)

I'm constantly face tanking bullets so I'm always out of medpacks, taking a quick nap mid-combat is a quick and easy fix

 

[mediocrepoet]

This is a raider base that we're clearing out, and the only reason I went to sleep was to heal myself.

You mean you're not stocked up with medkits up your neck? Admit it, you wanted to see if you will trigger a sex scene! (j/k)

I'm constantly face tanking bullets so I'm always out of medpacks, taking a quick nap mid-combat is a quick and easy fix

Do you think the Starborn shouts over his stack of crates and calls, "Time out!" so he can take his 40 winks, then yells back, "Game on!" after he wakes up?

 

[AwesomeButton]

The NPC popin, the cloning, the object LOD popin, all that shit, was all introduced patch by patch in CDPR's attempts to not personally be responsible for the destruction of thousands of PS5's worldwide.

This, and the 1.4 patch in particular was as miserable and stingy as a Charles Dickens antagonist.

 

[Iucounu]

whites are the minority, yes, but that's because you have all races mixed together, it's actually quite balanced among all races it seems.

But all those races are culturally American, I presume? Before the left sold out to globalism they used to talk about American cultural imperialism...

I wouldn't mind entire space colonies populated by genuine cultural Africans, but I realize the likelihood of a game developer achieving that in a believable way is non-existent.

it's not a colony, there is no more Earth in Starfield, so that's all of humanity you see, not just America, hence the diversity.

OK, but are they culturally American in the game? Most of Earth's black people live in Africa, not in America (ditto for Indians, Chinese, etc). If you'd mix all those cultures in space there should be interesting consequences (both good and bad), but apparently that's too difficult and too sensitive for today's writers (that's one thing Mass Effect 1-2 did pretty well, using alien species as metaphores). A frequent annoyance of mine is when American sci-fi games try to be diverse, and all they can muster is including American blacks, American latinos, American gays, American females, basically having Americans represent all of future humanity without explanation.

 

[Jenkem]

Bethesda makes an RPG where quest solutions, systems and dialogue options are locked behind skills, traits and factions joined but everyone seethes because the content is locked and the game doesn't tell you about this. Dungeons for handcrafted quests give you a lot of tools to use like secret vents, cuttable walls, npcs to persuade or pickpocket, things to hack to cause a distraction but people seethe because you don't find out about any of this if you only follow the quest marker

this game is made for a particular mindset that most modern gamers lack

 

[AwesomeButton]

Do you think the Starborn shouts over his stack of crates and calls, "Time out!" so he can take his 40 winks, then yells back, "Game on!" after he wakes up?

If Geralt can munch on a chicken leg while swordfighting with his free hand, why not.

 

[Lemming42]

I say, this looks the business! Not sure why a shitty old Earth shotgun is literally five times better than some of the futuristic ones I'm carrying, but who cares. Ammo is cheap, damage is ludicrous, and enemies go flying.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Do you think the Starborn shouts over his stack of crates and calls, "Time out!" so he can take his 40 winks, then yells back, "Game on!" after he wakes up?

If Geralt can munch on a chicken leg while swordfighting with his free hand, why not.

Yeah, that's fair I suppose. It's not like it's a new thing, you can pretty much sit down and have a picnic on a cyclopes' head in Dragon's Dogma before stabbing him in the eye.

 

[JamesDixon]

I say, this looks the business! Not sure why a shitty old Earth shotgun is literally five times better than some of the futuristic ones I'm carrying, but who cares. Ammo is cheap, damage is ludicrous, and enemies go flying.

Because the chamber is round not square. The designer of the futuristic weapons failed basic shapes and managed to fit a round shell into a square hole...

 

[Vic]

I say, this looks the business! Not sure why a shitty old Earth shotgun is literally five times better than some of the futuristic ones I'm carrying, but who cares. Ammo is cheap, damage is ludicrous, and enemies go flying.

that's a buggy affix btw, that should only apply to melee weapons imo

 

[AwesomeButton]

I say, this looks the business! Not sure why a shitty old Earth shotgun is literally five times better than some of the futuristic ones I'm carrying, but who cares. Ammo is cheap, damage is ludicrous, and enemies go flying.

This was designed by someone going by memory, this forearm has nowhere to go back to extract the shell, but it's the feelz that's the important thing.

 

[Vyvian]

so we are comparing CP2077 after years of patches vs newly launched Starfield?

No, smartass, but I will tell you that behavior didn't happen much (in my recollection) when CP2077 was first released. I think I would remember that, too, because I was so fascinated with the city on the first day I started playing the game.

The NPC popin, the cloning, the object LOD popin, all that shit, was all introduced patch by patch in CDPR's attempts to not personally be responsible for the destruction of thousands of PS5's worldwide.

I had CP2077 on PC on release day and for me performance just got worse with each major patch. Launch was the best experience performance-wise with the game and my specs were somewhat below the minimum in some ways. What the hell was going on with the PS5 if that was the case?

 

[kroki]

ok so i torrented this. in the intro poc lady bosses me arround and the white dweeb behind her reminds me about her One Simple Rule - "do as the boss lady says". i remember playing outer worlds years ago and it also started with a sassy sheboon. big yikes so far.

i tried to shoot her with mining laser but beam just noclips through her model