Starfield Thread - Shattered Space expansion coming September 30th

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

@Edgy Non-Gamer, if the suits "have armour stats" and Bethesda "uses them as armour", maybe that's why they don't lose their environmental protection until they're severely damaged.

Ah, so now they are armor, and armor that works because magic. Ok.

 

[ColaWerewolf]

I give you darkpatriots "white guy". This is Trevor Petyarre, mining foreman, on the job. It is worth mentioning that every miner on Mars has this kind of orange reddish eye colour. Also, the last name Petyarre is aboriginal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petyarre

Lol,

But seriously I have to ask, why would you want a looter-shooter where you oftentimes play as a murderhobo to be filled with white npcs? Then you're just going around killing wypipo, turning it into a cumskin genocide simulator.
Todd was gracious enough to give you a shooty-shooty playground where the majority of your targets are non-whites and women, and you spit in his face like an ungrateful cumskin. Shit you can even get a space crew that is all-white and it's your crew vs. the galaxy.

But no, instead you want wypipo in leadership positions so they can be directly responsible for the sinking ship. Probably paying the lion's share of taxes to support everyone else in the galaxy, just like real life. Not even hating, and for the longest time I just ignored the discussion. But man I really don't get white people at all lmao.

 

[Gargaune]

Oh, God have mercy, you limpdick fuck, you did it again! I saw you rate Lemming42's post

while I was typing and when I hit him with an

you'd changed it to

. Are you in such a dweeb frenzy that you can't even make up your mind what insult to use?

 

[Lemming42]

>It's an action game, so everyone you meet is retarded and suicidal.

Raiders in leather jackets in Fallout 1 attacking you with 10mm pistols while you're wearing T-51b power armour and carrying a plasma rifle? The last marine in a squad reckoning he can take on Gordon Freeman, who he's just watched kill all his friends? Street thugs trying to kill JC Denton, who they can see is a cyber-man with all kinds of mad shit? Dumbasses in shirts trying to kill Commander Shepard? Crappy Kilrathi scout ships trying to take you on in Wing Commander while you're in a Hornet?

Again, it's just that almost no game does what you're asking, and especially no FPS or FPS-RPG hybrid. You can criticise Starfield by saying "I think enemies should surrender/retreat/not engage in combat that's clearly very dangerous to them", but then you might as well go back and make the same criticism of all the other games I just mentioned. Even if it's a criticism you genuinely would make of all those games, it's just odd that you'd single out Starfield. You should be posting the same stuff in more or less every thread on this site, given that this occurs in all games.

Except the guy you're talking to. How many others might agree with me? Take a poll and get back to me.

Honestly, I think very few people. I've never heard anyone other than my grandmother sincerely object to the fact that videogame characters can be shot multiple times and survive, and she did that in the same conversation where she asked me why my Runescape character never had to go to the toilet.

 

[darkpatriot]

@Edgy Non-Gamer, if the suits "have armour stats" and Bethesda "uses them as armour", maybe that's why they don't lose their environmental protection until they're severely damaged.

Ah, so now they are armor, and armor that works because magic. Ok.

Why would you think space suits designed hundreds of years in the future using new methods and materials we don't use today couldn't have improved protection against ballistic damage? Especially as there is an active space military that fights space battles? That has always been the way I understood space suits in Starfield.

As others have pointed out, even modern day space suits are quite sturdy and resistant to high speed kinetic impacts. That is a desirable quality in a space suit. Throw in a reality that there is actual space war so there is a need for suits that are resistant specifically to bullets and other ballistic weapons to the mixture of more advanced production methods and materials, and I definitely think some suits could provide better protection than others.



Here is a design idea that might help to bridge your unwillingness to suspend belief in this area when you are willing to for other areas. Would you be satisfied if damage was increased significantly (doubled, maybe) in vacuum and other hostile environments to help you feel that it is more dangerous to get in a gunfight in a vacuum than in a normal atmosphere? Death animations could even be modified to sometimes show air leaking from suits as people die to reinforce that. I think that could make for interesting gameplay, potentially.

 

[ColaWerewolf]

How many others might agree with me?

Bro I think you're safe, you truly are special.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Lol,

But seriously I have to ask, why would you want a looter-shooter where you oftentimes play as a murderhobo to be filled with white npcs? Then you're just going around killing wypipo, turning it into a cumskin genocide simulator.
Todd was gracious enough to give you a shooty-shooty playground where the majority of your targets are non-whites and women, and you spit in his face like an ungrateful cumskin. Shit you can even get a space crew that is all-white and it's your crew vs. the galaxy.

But no, instead you want wypipo in leadership positions so they can be directly responsible for the sinking ship. Probably paying the lion's share of taxes to support everyone else in the galaxy, just like real life. Not even hating, and for the longest time I just ignored the discussion. But man I really don't get white people at all lmao.

Most of the criminals, pirates, spacers etc are white. If they are wearing a helmet that isn't full coverage you can easily see this. Other than that, I will say you sound like a real fucking idiot who most likely has oily skin, stinks like shit, eats way too much fatty food, and has nappy hair. You say you "don't get white people at all". I am not surprised by that statement, at all.

 

[DeepOcean]

I have to say that this discussion is kinda moot because you unload multiple clips of 9mm rounds into a dude to kill him, after all this, I dont think he will mind his body will depressurize, it might even be desirable so his body gets nice and frozen on zero oxygen, nice for his family to pick it up for the funeral.

 

[ColaWerewolf]

Most of the criminals, pirates, spacers etc are white.

Based, confirmed Todd's white people have more balls than the whiny "wh*te" keyboard-warriors ITT.

 

[SomeGuyWithAnOpinion]

What the FUCK did I just stumble into, it's like a shitfight between a gorilla and a baboon. No matter who wins, we will all end up covered in shit.

If at least Bethesda had kept their strong points strong and not getting rid of them we could ignore that the graphics are mediocre or bad even which was the case before, Bethesda games were more about the immersion and RPG systems, combat alwayss sucked, the best was the VATS system in FO games and just because the cinematic cameras and kills which added to the immersion and strategy, graphics also sucked to a degree but were serviceable... curious that the more the graphics improved the more they got rid of game mechanics and overall gameplay declined... its almost as if focusing on graphics removes resources from other aspects of the game... anyway the point is: if Bethesda at least had kept their strong gameplay elements intact and improved them then the players would tolerate the mediocre graphics...

Are you fucking serious? VATS is one of the WORST mechanics Bethesda added. Also "Bethesda games were more about [...] RPG systems" what the FUCK?!

Bethesda has never had a good RPG system in any of their games.

The closest was probably Morrowind, but it still suffered from the "Spam skills to level them without levelling your character" exploit and in general was a very boring if competent RPG System. Fallout 3 (and by extension New Vegas) had some alright skills but many of them were also lackluster and bad, and outside of skill and perk choices there really wasn't much RPG stuff outside of stat bonuses. Rarely does your character affect the world in meaningful ways, the most you get is the occasional Karma check or skill check (which are %age based, how fucking stupid).

Another clip from Todd Howard's futuristic race fantasy:

There are a myriad of genuine issues with this game, and people still seem dedicated to instantly losing any credibility for themselves by complaining about "you can select pronouns" and "some characters are gay!" (THE HORROR! New Vegas had openly gay characters and it's not considered part of the woke agenda).

You don't need to be the victim of a conspiracy for this game to be bad. Stick to the actual arguments and maybe people will think you're slightly less stupid when you post.

I never understood how people can get so worked up over seeing a black (GASP!!!!) in a videogame, especially if the videogame isn't even good enough to be worth playing in the first place.

Even if Bethesda had some secret hidden agenda to "expose white privilege", it would only remotely matter if they did it in something that people took seriously. People might "fall for it" in a game they think is good. But if everyone already hates it, they won't care enough to keep playing. Propaganda only works when it's interesting enough to attract people to it's message.

Are people still seriously upset that women and gays and non-whites exist in videogames and have the audacity to actually be characters with dialogue? THE HORROR!!!???

There is a mechanic where if you take too much damage, your suit no longer offers protection from environmental hazards. I didn't realise this until I got frostbite, severe burns, and lung damage all at once.

That sounds extremely based! I remember enjoying it in PREY

It's generally pretty trivial since your suit repairs as soon as you're out of combat, but in some of the lengthier combat-heavy quests it can become a consideration.

Nevermind....

I would think suffocating because you have a single bullet hole in your space suit would be the bigger issue.

One bullet should be all it takes to make your fancy space suit useless in any non-oxygen environment. Really makes you wonder why everyone seems to wear them everywhere.

If Bethesda were remotely capable of being creative (I doubt it), they would have made this more interesting AND more realistic by allowing the player to balance environmental protection vs ballistic protection, as well as bulk.

Want a space suit that's tightly sealed and protects against everything? Don't get shot.

Want bulky body armour that protects against bullets but isn't very good against environmental hazards? Don't suffocate!

Want a really heavy suit that is thick AND protects against the environment? Like a full body battle suit? Sure, you're now protected against everything, but have fun walking slowly and taking forever to switch weapons!

Instead we just get generic magical space suits that are bullet sponges and yet perfectly hermetic at the same time.

I give you darkpatriots "white guy". This is Trevor Petyarre, mining foreman, on the job. It is worth mentioning that every miner on Mars has this kind of orange reddish eye colour. Also, the last name Petyarre is aboriginal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petyarre

Lol,

But seriously I have to ask, why would you want a looter-shooter where you oftentimes play as a murderhobo to be filled with white npcs? Then you're just going around killing wypipo, turning it into a cumskin genocide simulator.
Todd was gracious enough to give you a shooty-shooty playground where the majority of your targets are non-whites and women, and you spit in his face like an ungrateful cumskin. Shit you can even get a space crew that is all-white and it's your crew vs. the galaxy.

But no, instead you want wypipo in leadership positions so they can be directly responsible for the sinking ship. Probably paying the lion's share of taxes to support everyone else in the galaxy, just like real life. Not even hating, and for the longest time I just ignored the discussion. But man I really don't get white people at all lmao.

It's the perfect conspiracy because it's always true. If you fill your game with competent black people, it's proof that you want to "expose white privilege" and shoehorn in a woke agenda. If you fill it with incompetent white people, then you're "exposing white privilege" by "fighting back against whiteness in society" as part of shoehorning in a woke agenda. If you fill the game with incompetent black people, you're "showing that you can't write for shit because the staff are all diversity hires" as part of shoehorning in a woke agenda. The only acceptable option is competent white people, specifically straight men. At the same time, anyone who thinks that maybe there's a valid point to be had in criticising that is pushing a woke agenda.

I hate it when companies come out and say "look how DIVERSE WE ARE!" and celebrate how they made their protagonist a "STRONG WOMYN OF COLOR". They absolutely deserve criticism for that when it happens. But this game is essentially in a no win scenario. The difference is that there isn't some message being pushed here. We don't have a hypocritical corporation doing evil shit and then going "see, we're SO MUCH MORE MORAL THAN YOU!!". Instead, we have a game that has a whole bunch of different characters in it, and people are reading it multiple ways. I have seen people complain that the game is "too black" while others complain it's "too white". This isn't Ubisoft, we're not being bombarded with shit constantly. I don't even think I have seen a single character mention pronouns at all other than occasionally using the players, so it obviously doesn't matter. Even still, people will complain that "letting the player choose to be trans or not is....forcing a trans agenda?"

Can we stop all this culture war bullshit? It's meaningless and it's not helping any actual discussion of the game. I want to know if the game is any good, that's why I come to threads like these, and seeing nothing but politics is driving me insane. Miss me with that shit.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

h, God have mercy, @you limpdick fuck, you did it again! I saw you rate @Lemming42's post

while I was typing and when I hit him with an

you'd changed it to

.

Agree? Why would I agree with him? Not only are you autistic, you're hallucinating.

If you must know, and you clearly must, I rated it TLDR because I wasn't going to read it. Then I decided to read it (mistake) and rated it fake news.

Why does this matter to you, sperg?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Raiders in leather jackets in Fallout 1

Already covered this before. Different game, different perspective, different expectation of abstraction.

How much of your life are you going to waste rewriting the same boring argument?

Honestly, I think very few people.

Ah, so from "nobody" to "very few people". Just keep increasing the number until you agree with me and we won't have any issue.

What the FUCK did I just stumble into, it's like a shitfight between a gorilla and a baboon. No matter who wins, we will all end up covered in shit.

Welcome to the RPGCodex. We used to have a dickbutt rotating gif for this, but this will have to do:

 

[Gargaune]

h, God have mercy, @you limpdick fuck, you did it again! I saw you rate @Lemming42's post

while I was typing and when I hit him with an

you'd changed it to

.

Agree? Why would I agree with him? Not only are you autistic, you're hallucinating.

So angry you can't even read... I agreed with him, that's when the ratings refreshed.

If you must know, and you clearly must, I rated it TLDR because I wasn't going to read it. Then I decided to read it (mistake) and rated it fake news.

Oh, yeah, I bet you did.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

So angry you can't even read... I agreed with him, that's when the ratings refreshed.

tbh, I'm not bothering to read your posts carefully.

You contribute nothing to the discussion, just butthurt and simplistic retreads of what Lemming is already repeating ad nauseum.

Oh, yeah, I bet you did.

Again, why does this matter to you, sperg?

 

[Zlaja]

Are people still seriously upset that women and gays and non-whites exist in videogames and have the audacity to actually be characters with dialogue? THE HORROR!!!???

Yeah, complaining about almost all boss characters being women is definitely the same as complaining that women exist in the game. And complaining that black NPCs are ridiculously over-represented is the same as complaining about blacks existing in the game.

I'm suprised you didn't add "not all females in the game should look like pornstars" as a way to dismiss people's complaints about female characters being uglified on purpose to avoid them being male-gaze friendly.

 

[ColaWerewolf]

Can we stop all this culture war bullshit? It's meaningless and it's not helping any actual discussion of the game. I want to know if the game is any good, that's why I come to threads like these, and seeing nothing but politics is driving me insane. Miss me with that shit.

I'm with you there, brother.
But if you want to know whether the game is any good this isn't the place to look. Just pirate it, silence all the mass media noise, and play it. Here half the opinions are colored either by political butthurt or neurotic nitpicking.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Can we stop all this culture war bullshit? It's meaningless and it's not helping any actual discussion of the game.

Here's the problem with this request: game companies keep inserting it into the games they make.

If you asked game devs to stop putting ESG into games AND asked people to stop talking about ESG, it'd be fine.

But you're actually just tired of hearing about it from the side that doesn't like it, not of ESG itself.

It's in the game, so people will talk about it. The best, and maybe only, way to fix it is for it not to be in the game.

 

[Levenmouth]

To be fair, it's a question of who is more focused on the whole issue: the dev who puts a few particularly flamboyant gay people in wheelchairs constantly talking about "MY HUSBAND" here and there, or the person who plays a 50-100+ hour space adventure and only wants to discuss how he was annoyed by the fact that there were gay people in wheelchairs there.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

To be fair, it's a question of who is more focused on the whole issue: the dev who puts a few particularly flamboyant gay people in wheelchairs constantly talking about "MY HUSBAND" here and there, or the person who plays a 50-100+ hour space adventure and only wants to discuss how he was annoyed by the fact that there were gay people in wheelchairs there.

Or maybe the fanboy who spends his time writing deflections about it instead of actually playing this wonderful game he loves so much?

 

[Tyranicon]

At 79% on Steam, a game's rating will get downgraded from Very Positive to Mostly Positive.

 

[Late Bloomer]

I have seen people complain that the game is "too black" while others complain it's "too white"

Where have you read that people are complaining Starfield is too white?

 

[SomeGuyWithAnOpinion]

Can we stop all this culture war bullshit? It's meaningless and it's not helping any actual discussion of the game.

Here's the problem with this request: game companies keep inserting it into the games they make.

If you asked game devs to stop putting ESG into games AND asked people to stop talking about ESG, it'd be fine.

But you're actually just tired of hearing about it from the side that doesn't like it, not of ESG itself.

It's in the game, so people will talk about it. The best, and maybe only, way to fix it is for it not to be in the game.

Having gay characters in your game is not "putting ESG into games", unless your view of game characters are these bland dialogue-dispencers that never talk about anything meaningful.

Arcade Gannon talks about how being gay is more accepted by The Legion than The NCR. It adds flavour to the world. He's also a recruitable companion who can be recruited much easier by gay or bisexual player characters. His and the players sexuality affect both the lore and the gameplay in tangible ways. And nobody cares.

The mere existence of gay characters in a game does not magically make it "woke garbage", you're not fighting back against some "agenda" here. Did Bethesda run a campaign on how "diverse" and "progressive" Starfield would be? Did they pivot the game's advertising around how "anyone can play their way and be their true self!"? Nope.

This is not some righteous crusade against the encroachment of some political propaganda or forced messaging. This is people sperging out because a game has gay characters in it.

I swear some people have such narrow views of the world that to them it's a simple question of pattern matching to regurgitate a response. "Man talked about being in love with another man, woke agenda spotted!". Meanwhile, adults are trying to actually have a conversation.

I swear the average IQ in this thread gets lower with each new page...

I have seen people complain that the game is "too black" while others complain it's "too white"

Where have you read that people are complaining Starfield is too white?

Only the stupidest of the stupidest, but yes. I don't consider it a mainstream opinion, the consensus does seem to be that the game is largely mostly black characters, but these people do exist.

https://twitter.com/KJovian/status/1693111587471511767

He is essentially saying that It doesn't matter how many black people the game has, the head of the studio is white, and therefore you're all dumb/racist/etc for supporting the project.

EDIT: Whoever "cope" reacted this, stop being a pussy and respond to the actual points.

 

[DeepOcean]

There are a myriad of genuine issues with this game, and people still seem dedicated to instantly losing any credibility for themselves by complaining about "you can select pronouns" and "some characters are gay!" (THE HORROR! New Vegas had openly gay characters and it's not considered part of the woke agenda).

Problem is that Arcade is a character first and gay second, while the example from Starfield is part of the "Gay guy who lost his husbando in a tragic way" meme, you find one of those in pretty much every game now.

It works like this: There is some random dude, you assume he isnt gay, then he talks about his husbando out of nowhere, so you get the shocking reveal, he is gay, (optional: he has a daughter), (optional 2: you rescue his husbando), (optional 3: you hear how he was/is happy with his husbando). Of course, personality and being an interesting character arent required.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Only the stupidest of the stupidest, but yes.

https://twitter.com/KJovian/status/1693111587471511767

It doesn't matter how many black people the game has, the head of the studio is white, and therefore you're all dumb/racist/etc

Your original post made it sound like you were talking about the game, not who made the game.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Having gay characters in your game is not "putting ESG into games"

Putting gays, more blacks than whites, vitiligo, trans pronoun ideology etc in your game is.

It's the same formula every time. Pretend you don't notice it all you like, but no one itt will believe you. A couple might pretend to. Morgoth maybe. But they'll know they're lying.

This is not some righteous crusade against the encroachment of some political propaganda or forced messaging.

Who cares? I see a game with things I don't like in it, I complain about it. Big deal.

The only problem here is the politics you're trying to ignore. And if you want to ignore them, then do so. But that includes ignoring people's complaints instead of complaining about them.

Otherwise, you just end up drawing the conversation back to the very thing you said you wanted to avoid.

That or just ignore the whole game and don't play or talk about it, since politics are in there, whether you want to admit it or not.

I swear some people have such narrow views

I swear the average IQ in this thread gets lower with each new page...

Swearing is wrong. Update your bot pls.