Steam will stop supporting Windows 7 and 8 in 2024.

[Trithne]

Look Ma, I'm on the TV!

I suspect this is really just Valve want to get people to move off the unsupported OS because it won't be getting security updates anymore, and being an online retailer and distribution provider they just really want to be sure that there's no chance of them getting hit in the crossfire of a random trojan or whatever being blamed on them.

This isn't a Microsoft thing, I doubt Valve supports Ubuntu 16 still either.

 

[ferratilis]

Since some of you are mentioning Linux, I have some questions about it. I know you can use Proton to play most games, and even use GOG with some custom launcher. But what if you want to play VtMB with the unofficial patch, for example, how hard is that to install? Or playing Deus Ex with a custom renderer and some mods that are installed through .exe files? Or using the ZRP's modifier.exe for Stalker SoC? The game can run through Proton, but what about these other files?

 

[janior]

Since some of you are mentioning Linux, I have some questions about it. I know you can use Proton to play most games, and even use GOG with some custom launcher. But what if you want to play VtMB with the unofficial patch, for example, how hard is that to install? Or playing Deus Ex with a custom renderer and some mods that are installed through .exe files? Or using the ZRP's modifier.exe for Stalker SoC? The game can run through Proton, but what about these other files?

Lutris

 

[catfood]

Since some of you are mentioning Linux, I have some questions about it. I know you can use Proton to play most games, and even use GOG with some custom launcher. But what if you want to play VtMB with the unofficial patch, for example, how hard is that to install? Or playing Deus Ex with a custom renderer and some mods that are installed through .exe files? Or using the ZRP's modifier.exe for Stalker SoC? The game can run through Proton, but what about these other files?

With Lutris it's easy to run Windows executables so you can install any mod that you want.

 

[tommy heavenly6]

As far as I know, you can even run win executables in Steam using proton. It's not going to give a damn whether the .exe you add is a game or a program.

 

[catfood]

Yeah, you can do that too. You can also run Steam games through Lutris, though personally I haven't tried this feature yet.

 

[Trithne]

Yeah, you can do that too. You can also run Steam games through Lutris, though personally I haven't tried this feature yet.

Just link Steam to Lutris. I highly recommend not using the flatpaks for either if you are though, flatpak sandboxing and general just... flatpakness... means they don't cooperate as well as if you install the regular packages. Once connected Lutris just acts as a straight up "steam//:rungameid" wrapper for the most part, and lets Steam handle everything else.

As far as I know, you can even run win executables in Steam using proton. It's not going to give a damn whether the .exe you add is a game or a program.

For this, I suggest using protontricks. That way you can run arbitrary exes in the prefix that Steam uses for the game in question, so mods that might do unconventional things with their installers will be much more likely to do them as intended. Plus being able to customise the prefix. For non-steam games Lutris is best for handling this.

Steam/Proton isn't 100% plug and play, especially if you're the sort to use a lot of mods etc - But if you take the time to learn what things like wineprefixes are, you can do pretty much everything you need with no issues.

 

[Baron Dupek]

Speaking of GOG - they had nice list of games that does not work on Win10 (by MaGOG) and it's gone, not even on Wayback Machine.
Anyone got someting good enough and comparable to that list? Inb4 "google urslf" I'm asking for something good....

 

[OSK]

I'm not sure this is legal in the EU. You bought a game and Steam promised you it would run on W7/8. If Steam is no longer able to fulfill that promise you should be able to get a refund.

I really do hope the EU gets involved in this matter. They should force Microsoft to release a fix for their dead operating systems that prevents the system from connecting to the internet. They really need to protect tech-illiterate users from themselves and the internet as a whole before the next major DDoS botnet is launched from unprotected Windows machines.

 

[Trithne]

I really do hope the EU gets involved in this matter. They should force Microsoft to release a fix for their dead operating systems that prevents the system from connecting to the internet. They really need to protect tech-illiterate users from themselves and the internet as a whole before the next major DDoS botnet is launched from unprotected Windows machines.

You want the government to help these companies with planned obsolescence?

 

[OSK]

I really do hope the EU gets involved in this matter. They should force Microsoft to release a fix for their dead operating systems that prevents the system from connecting to the internet. They really need to protect tech-illiterate users from themselves and the internet as a whole before the next major DDoS botnet is launched from unprotected Windows machines.

You want the government to help these companies with planned obsolescence?

Planned obsolescence? Windows 7 came out 13 fucking years ago. My distro is only supported for 13 months before I need to upgrade.

 

[communard]

Planned obsolescence? Windows 7 came out 13 fucking years ago. My distro is only supported for 13 months before I need to upgrade.

These people would cry like little baby women when faced with a rolling release OS.

 

[OSK]

Planned obsolescence? Windows 7 came out 13 fucking years ago. My distro is only supported for 13 months before I need to upgrade.

These people would cry like little baby women when faced with a rolling release OS.

You should see the tears when Microsoft slightly changes the start menu.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Speaking of GOG - they had nice list of games that does not work on Win10 (by MaGOG) and it's gone, not even on Wayback Machine.
Anyone got someting good enough and comparable to that list? Inb4 "google urslf" I'm asking for something good....

GOG has changged a lot of things for the worse, but I haven't found a game that refuses to work on Win 10. And if they don't, they were broken already and Win 10 wasn't the problem. These lists are difficult to maintain as they are user generated, though. The famous "companies that treat gog users as second class citizens" is outdated too.

 

[communard]

You should see the tears when Microsoft slightly changes the start menu.

Like I get it I literally only installed windows 10 on my OVMF based virtual machine like a month ago and I'm the kind of nigga who ran windows 7 with the classic theme. I gotta say Windows 10 is a much better OS than 7 though as long as as you aggressively de-bloat it and install as much software as possible through winget. The only really egregious changes that can't be fixed is what a fucking mess they've made by having multiple control panel type things.

 

[Melcar]

You should see the tears when Microsoft slightly changes the start menu.

Like I get it I literally only installed windows 10 on my OVMF based virtual machine like a month ago and I'm the kind of nigga who ran windows 7 with the classic theme. I gotta say Windows 10 is a much better OS than 7 though as long as as you aggressively de-bloat it and install as much software as possible through winget. The only really egregious changes that can't be fixed is what a fucking mess they've made by having multiple control panel type things.

It's a work in progress dog. It will totally be fixed by Windows 20.

 

[jimster]

This isn't a Microsoft thing, I doubt Valve supports Ubuntu 16 still either.

The difference is Linux support just depends on certain packages being up to date, so if some Linux desktop environment changes the UI or becomes too bloated, you can just use a different one and as long as you still have the right backend stuff installed you can still use Steam.

 

[tommy heavenly6]

They should force Microsoft to release a fix for their dead operating systems that prevents the system from connecting to the internet. They really need to protect tech-illiterate users from themselves and the internet as a whole before the next major DDoS botnet is launched from unprotected Windows machines.

I always keep hearing the security concerns regarding the usage of old OSes but never saw a single example that affected individuals.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

I always keep hearing the security concerns regarding the usage of old OSes but never saw a single example that affected individuals.

It's just fear porn to bolster the New OS grift. I used Windows XP until like 2018, all that happened was certain pages on the internet refused to load properly because the browser versions were too out of date.

 

[OSK]

They should force Microsoft to release a fix for their dead operating systems that prevents the system from connecting to the internet. They really need to protect tech-illiterate users from themselves and the internet as a whole before the next major DDoS botnet is launched from unprotected Windows machines.

I always keep hearing the security concerns regarding the usage of old OSes but never saw a single example that affected individuals.

I noticed you said affected individuals. So that means you're aware it happens to larger targets. If it can happen to larger targets, why would you think it wouldn't be possible to happen to individuals? The only thing protecting you there is you're likely too small of a target to be worth attacking directly, and, even if it does happen, you're not making the news.

You're more likely to be infected with something that isn't noticeable and targeting you directly. Devices that aren't getting security updates are ripe targets for becoming part of a botnet to launch DDoS attacks. Back in the day Windows XP botnets used to be a big thing. Nowadays it's mostly vulnerable IoT devices that don't get security updates.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

*deletes entire Steam wishlist*

And people kept asking me, over and over, through the years: "Why are you so reluctant to use Steam?"

Now they know.

I'm certain a solution of some kind will present itself, but otherwise I'll start looking to the high seas to archive a few games... emphasis on "few" because at a glance I seem to be able to count them on one hand.

The biggest blow will be losing access to the Steam Workshop and some beta-branches. At least I have some time to figure those out.

 

[mindx2]

As long as I have...

this:

this:

this:

and especially this:

I'll be fine...

Almost every digital-only era game isn't really worth me crying about. Quite a few that I am interested in I can get physical copies of or DRM free version to throw onto a thumb drive.

 

[flyingjohn]

It's just fear porn to bolster the New OS grift.

Actually it is money laundering for academics. They create some impossible to recreate scenario and plaster "EVERYTHIGN WILL BE GONE AND DELETED BY HACKERMAN" and companies keep paying them to continue finding these "dangerous" exploits. They are in bed with the media and if anybody doesn't respond you get a billion articles about how unsecure your systems are.
I remember reading a bios exploit that requires the attacker to have psychical access to your motherboard. Bro, if somebody has psychical access to your pc you have bigger issues.

 

[Konjad]

 

[Tehdagah]

Stop using outdated OS.

 

[deuxhero]

As long as I have...

this:
View attachment 34794
this:
View attachment 34796
this:
View attachment 34797
and especially this:
View attachment 34798

I'll be fine...

Almost every digital-only era game isn't really worth me crying about. Quite a few that I am interested in I can get physical copies of or DRM free version to throw onto a thumb drive.

mindx2 after disc rot