Sunday morning brunch - OB-info/hype

[Antiphon]

Does GM have the equivalent of the Codex?

The automobile equivalent of the Codex would be Ford vs. Chevrolet, except 90% of the board are followers of Ford, and Ford stopped making good vehicles fifteen years ago.

True.

I was thinking along the lines of the Codex arguing to bring horses back as primary transportation.

Really, do we need to buy all that oil from the Middle East?

With a mating pair you have an endless supply.

Who need colorful paint jobs or air conditioning. What's really important is basic transportation.

 

[ANDS!]

Ok, MSFD said no visible reins.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=DevQuotes.Detail&id=50

Well that about does it for me - No way I can get into this game. Interesting story you - fuck you, gimme my reigns.

Oh - intriguing dungeon and ruin design - yea heres a design - gimme fucking horse reigns!

Seriously though - some of the invictive thrown at this game is neigh UNBELIEVABLE. It's like this group of D&D'ers who REFUSE to come out of the basement, and cling to their frayed RP-Books, adamant that that mode of play is the only true way to RP - even if a game delivered true photo-realistic graphics and advanced AI. . .

"Flarg you! - It's all about the old-school! Now get outta here before I hit you with my +5 Elven Claymore!"

 

[Blacklung]

Bah, I can live without reigns.
Bad error? Yes.
Bad choice to show it in promo movies? Yes.
Are there other things wrong? Most definitely.
Is it worse than MW? No, probably not.
Can I live with these problems? Yes, as long as they don't cause my mount to disapear randomly or crash my game constantly (Anyone remember a good gamed called Fallout 2 which had such glaring problems?).

 

[Twinfalls]

Interesting story

We haven't seen this.

intriguing dungeon and ruin design

We haven't seen this.

No reins

But this, we HAVE seen!

This is a fucking embarrassment. It doesn't sound bad until you see just how comical it is for a fully detailed hyper-graphics world to feature horse-riders holding their hands out in thin air.

Bethesda should admit that either the game is not finished, or they simply could not do it, it was too hard. That's what happens when you employ lazy-ass animators who steal pictures of Imps rather than draw their own....

 

[WouldBeCreator]

No visible reins. Yes, you can ride horses.

You know, it took a minute for the incredible wording here to sink in.

Not "there aren't reins." Not "the game doesn't display reins." But "no visible reins." Oh, they're there all right. They're just *invisible.* Hilarious.

No that doesn't make it any worse from a gameplay perspective. But there is a certain Orwellian doublespeak to it that is starting to illustrate to me why people hate Oblivion's marketing so much.

 

[Antiphon]

I guess they are telekinetic reins.

 

[WouldBeCreator]

Can I just add that it is hilarious that the banner ads on this board are all to Oblivion, even while everyone here bitches about it. It's like when the WSJ ran ads from a Saudi PR company while running an editorial bashing the Saudi PR machine.

 

[Antiphon]

Can I just add that it is hilarious that the banner ads on this board are all to Oblivion, even while everyone here bitches about it. It's like when the WSJ ran ads from a Saudi PR company while running an editorial bashing the Saudi PR machine.

ROLF! I hadn't noticed. Thanks!

 

[kris]

I was thinking along the lines of the Codex arguing to bring horses back as primary transportation.

Really, do we need to buy all that oil from the Middle East?

With a mating pair you have an endless supply.

It would be questionable if we have the resources to feed horses in that quantity. but on the good side, we would create a lot of work opportunities for people taking care of them

 

[Oarfish]

It doesn't sound bad until you see just how comical it is for a fully detailed hyper-graphics world to feature horse-riders holding their hands out in thin air.

Ed, dup obvious joke, bugger.

 

[Data4]

So, anyone wanna take bets on what the first patch is going to include?

EDIT: Fuck me, did I just see an Oblivion banner? The irony is golden. :D

-D4

 

[Nog Robbin]

Yep, you sure did...

Look. There it is again...

I particularly like the irony of the codex maybe getting some funding based on one of the games that isn't especially well loved here. Awesome.

 

[Rendelius]

You guys are so - funny.

No reigns. If there were reigns, you would complain about no horse pooh. If there was horse pooh, you would complain about not being able to make potions out of it. If you were able to make potions out of it, you would complain about that they don't reduce the disposition of NPCs towards you when you drink it. And so on.

 

[Data4]

You guys are so - funny.

No reigns. If there were reigns, you would complain about no horse pooh. If there was horse pooh, you would complain about not being able to make potions out of it. If you were able to make potions out of it, you would complain about that they don't reduce the disposition of NPCs towards you when you drink it. And so on.

That's the dumbest fucking thing I've read in awhile. WoW has horses and no poo. Fine. Shadow of the Colossus has horses... an implementation, I may add, which was very impressive for a console title. That horse moved like a fucking horse.

Both of these examples also featured reins-- an expected detail for a situation that involved... oh, I dunno, sitting upon a horse as a means of locomotion and exerting some form of control over the animal? Horse poo is so insignificant compared to... watch for it now... PEOPLE RIDING ON HORSES WITH HANDS IN THE POSITION OF HOLDING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T THERE!

They want to pimp graphics? Well, okay, the hands are being held in a realistic fashion, I guess.

-D4

 

[Nog Robbin]

Besides, if horse poo had been included it probably would have been an alchemy ingredient from the start, and could easily have had a reduction of personality as it's main attribute.

The lack of horse poo is pretty insignificant. The lack of reins looks pretty odd to say the least. Even more so when the riders have their hands in a position to indicate that reins should be there.

Have they even given a reason for there being no reins? Surely they can't be that hard to simulate, can they?

 

[GhanBuriGhan]

Maybe they looked at M & B for isnpiration? Or at Everquest II?

In trying to seek the middle ground again (Hi dongle!) I agree that it shows a certain and somewhat baffling lack of polish in this one aspect. Nevertheless, in rating the gmaes graphics overall I can not help but rate it at least 9/10, and thats pretty good. The landscape and dungeon graphics which I personally care most about are outstanding. Thats good enough for me.

If the first reviews are at least halfway true, and the main story and the quests are much improved from MW, than I don't see why I will not be able to overlook the missing reins, and do any more than shake my head occasionally about such a nonsensical little mistake.

Twinfalls, what do you mean haven't seen it. there is a lot of info on quests now, and the E3 video shows quite a bit of dungeon design (which I liked).

 

[Tintin]

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/inde ... pic=266093

 

[Excrément]

Besides, if horse poo had been included it probably would have been an alchemy ingredient from the start, and could easily have had a reduction of personality as it's main attribute.

The lack of horse poo is pretty insignificant. The lack of reins looks pretty odd to say the least. Even more so when the riders have their hands in a position to indicate that reins should be there.

Have they even given a reason for there being no reins? Surely they can't be that hard to simulate, can they?

why didn't put the reins in?
because they didn't have the time to develop it. sometimes you have to decide when you stop a game development otherwise your game will look like Duke Nukem Forever.

and if there is somebody enough idiot to not play a game because the horses don't have reins, please tell me who...

RPG CODEX " Putting the "Reins" Back IN RPG".... woot woot woot, that's a program!

 

[Fresh]

RPG CODEX " Putting the "Reins" Back IN RPG".... !

HAHAHAHAA hilarious

That one goes in my sig

 

[Nog Robbin]

Besides, if horse poo had been included it probably would have been an alchemy ingredient from the start, and could easily have had a reduction of personality as it's main attribute.

The lack of horse poo is pretty insignificant. The lack of reins looks pretty odd to say the least. Even more so when the riders have their hands in a position to indicate that reins should be there.

Have they even given a reason for there being no reins? Surely they can't be that hard to simulate, can they?

why didn't put the reins in?
because they didn't have the time to develop it. sometimes you have to decide when you stop a game development otherwise your game will look like Duke Nukem Forever.

and if there is somebody enough idiot to not play a game because the horses don't have reins, please tell me who...

RPG CODEX " Putting the "Reins" Back IN RPG".... woot woot woot, that's a program!

I never said I wouldn't play the game because there aren't reins, nor have I heard someone claim that. However, it's just another oddity to add to the "WTF?" list.

 

[Excrément]

Besides, if horse poo had been included it probably would have been an alchemy ingredient from the start, and could easily have had a reduction of personality as it's main attribute.

The lack of horse poo is pretty insignificant. The lack of reins looks pretty odd to say the least. Even more so when the riders have their hands in a position to indicate that reins should be there.

Have they even given a reason for there being no reins? Surely they can't be that hard to simulate, can they?

why didn't put the reins in?
because they didn't have the time to develop it. sometimes you have to decide when you stop a game development otherwise your game will look like Duke Nukem Forever.

and if there is somebody enough idiot to not play a game because the horses don't have reins, please tell me who...

RPG CODEX " Putting the "Reins" Back IN RPG".... woot woot woot, that's a program!

I never said I wouldn't play the game because there aren't reins, nor have I heard someone claim that. However, it's just another oddity to add to the "WTF?" list.

Is there only one game in the world without a "WTF?" list?

 

[Chefe]

If you don't have reins then don't make the characters hold out their hands like that. It looks stupid.

 

[ANDS!]

WoW has horses and no poo. Fine.

It also doesnt have horse reign animations.

Shadow of the Colossus has horses... an implementation, I may add, which was very impressive for a console title. That horse moved like a fucking horse.

It was also one of the only things in the game, meaning they specifically said - "Let's spend a great deal of our budget on making sure Hero and Argo interact well together". Not really hard, since everyone is going to work with the same two characters.

 

[Chefe]

So, you'd rather have a bunch of things half-assed than have fewer things but done really well?

Imagine this scenario: you could have sex with 20 average/borderline-slightly-ugly girls, or you could have sex with 3 drop-dead gorgeous super models/actresses). Which would use choose?

 

[ANDS!]

So, you'd rather have a bunch of things half-assed than have fewer things but done really well?

That presumes that I think what is in the game is even close to being "half-assed". It isnt; but of course thats my opinion and I wouldnt label it anything but.

The environments and the story are going to occupy the majority of my time. A utility economic system - wont be.