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Keldorn

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Stupid, envious, destructive, ignorant & OBLIVIOUS right-wing TWITS.


BTW, each Norwegian currently has TWICE what I estimated thanks to Scandinavian semi-socialism. If only the American corporate realm was so tempered, limited and reasonable.

http://www.trinicenter.com/Raffique/2008/Mar/302008.htm

Norway : the MOST per capita millionaires and MUCH lower poverty rates than the States. Norway *WINS*. They have the highest standard of living in the world.


And THIS is what allows it : multi-party, proportionally representational democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_po ... _in_Norway


The empirical evidence is IN : the center-LEFT has WON. the ultra-right-wingers have almost DESTROYED the USA and GREATLY harmed the world.
 

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Too bad many Americans (meaning : ALL Republicans) are obliviously ignorant about Scandinavia and Europe.
 

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( http://www.trinicenter.com/Raffique/2008/Mar/302008.htm )

"One can easily learn to love Norway only for its majestic fjords that are almost unique to that country. But its beauty extends far beyond the landscape and seascape. Here's a country that discovered oil off its coast at the same time Britain, Holland and others did in the North Sea. That was some 70 years after the first productive oil well was drilled in Trinidad. True, the quantities differed vastly: ours never exceeded 300,000 barrels per day (bpd), while Norway ranks 10th among oil producers at 3.2 million bpd. Its reserves are also far bigger than ours, both in oil and gas.

But so are its size, its population, its climate challenges, with its northern extremities lying in some of the most hostile conditions. Long before oil propelled it into big bucks, it had harnessed hydro-electricity to the extent it could afford to sell power to neighbouring Sweden and Finland. I was in the Lapland region of Finland a few years ago, fascinated by this vast landscape of snow, ice and forests. I observed power lines crossing the area near the town of Ivalo, and I wondered where the electricity came from. Surely, it could not be from way south in Helsinki. "No," my host said. "Power in this part of Finland comes from Norway."

In fact, Norway first make its mark with the exploits of the Vikings, but hard on the heels of these feared Nordic warriors came a thriving fishing industry that survives to this day, and makes up a significant part of the country's revenue. From fishing and boat-building (that evolved into a reputable ship-building industry), Norway moved into the fast-forward mode after the discovery of oil. But unlike so many other oil-producing countries that wallowed in wealth as the "black gold" flowed, the Norwegians remained frugal in dealing with their new circumstance.

Its government and citizens eschewed the ostentatious lifestyles that the Arabs adopted. According to a recent Time magazine article: "The historic commodities boom that we are living through now shows that the Dutch disease is just as often absent from resource-rich countries as it is present. The key is governance." Pause. Think. It's not a matter of how much oil or gold or gas you have, although it might be good to have such resources. Time: "Some of it, as Norway has shown, is just straightforward economic fundamentals: sound monetary policy, open trading and investment regimes. Enforced laws against corruption are basic."

Huh? Sure, we have similar laws in T&T. But when last was any "big boy" brought to justice for being corrupt? And corruption here did not start with the UNC in government. It goes as far back as during colonial rule, but took Concorde-like flight when the first oil boom hit us "like a dose of salts" (Michael Manley's words) in 1973. Doug Saunders of the Globe and Mail wrote: "While other countries have become apathetic and uncompetitive during petroleum booms, Norway appears near the top of every international index of competitiveness and entrepreneurship.

"Yngve Slyngstad, 47, is the manager of the Government Pension Fund-Global, better known as 'the oil fund.' An adjoining room contains computer desks staffed by his 11 traders, who invest the $1 billion in oil money his office receives every week. In exchange for the right to drill, they must hand 78 per cent of their profit over to Mr Slyngstad's fund.

This is Norway's long-term savings account, and in the 17 years since it was launched it has become one of the four largest investment funds in the world. It currently holds $368.2-billion, or $78,351 for each Norwegian citizen."

Saunders continued: "The Management Rule is the heart of Norway's economic miracle. It is a profound act of self-discipline: all but four per cent of Norway's oil earnings must be placed in the fund for savings; nothing can be withdrawn from the fund until the oil is gone, decades from now; and-most crucially-absolutely none of the money can be invested inside Norway."

Double "Huh?" "Even as oil has soared, Norway has avoided high inflation and its non-oil companies have grown more competitive. Only about 10 per cent of Norway's $70-billion government budget comes from oil money. In order to finance their generous state services and social benefits, Norwegians' income taxes are among the highest in the world, and their gas stations charge $2.30 for a litre of unleaded-the highest price in the world, in a country that is the world's third-largest exporter of the stuff."

I see the glint of 3-canals-aplenty bearing down on me: Shah want we to pay US$2.30 per litre for gas? Take him out! Wooo! I never suggested as much. I'm only showing what can be achieved with visionary leadership, a disciplined people, and high-officials who will not dip their paws in the national cookie-jar. I can write much more on the Norwegian model. But I have space only for this: with five million people, murders topped a whopping 49 last year! And there are 2,900 prisoners in the country's jails."


See that you right-wing idiots ??? $80,000 in their bank account, very low crime and very low poverty rates. They share the wealth so that they can all prosper and avoid suffering. Meanwhile, the US corporations and pro-corporate right-wing wacko gov't allows and engineers suffering in order to reap the benefits of disaster-related capitalism and gouging of the poor as they fall through the cracks.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=un ... ntry&meta=
 

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Not that I don't agree with you Keldorn, but the triple posting is getting a bit old.

While Obama is decent, and I support him, I think the Kucinich was the best candidate. It's to bad he didn't have a chance.
 

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Such is my penalty for switching back to caffeinated coffee ! AIYYEEEEE.

I DID stop posting in ALL the other forums though, please realize this counterbalance.


Kucinich is simply WAY too far left for the American political context, even IF he is simply a common social-democrat in the Scandinavian arena. So, he backed the centrist Obama, who is politically more palatable. Obama won't embrace and promote PURE socialized medicine as is common in Europe & Scandinavia, for he'd risked being labelled a COMMIE.

Norway has an Obama-Kucinich-Paul-Huckabee pizza parliament, which is why they are thriving so well. That's right, there ARE plenty of right-wing parties who get TONS of votes in Euro-Scandinavian parliaments, but they never monopolize such unilaterally Neo-Connish policies as has happened in the USA under Bush & Co.

NOTE : there is nothing wrong with CENTER-RIGHT conservatism, especially Norway's libertarian variety, as long as it is COUNTERBALANCED by reciprocal center-left policies.
 

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Well, I don't know about Norway but around here in the Netherlands we're on a fast track to become a mini version of the USA. Polarisation in politics? Check. Widening gap between the rich and poor? Check. Socialised Medicine being margalised? Check.

It's pretty depressing really.
 

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Well, I don't know about Norway but around here in the Netherlands we're on a fast track to become a mini version of the USA. Polarisation in politics? Check. Widening gap between the rich and poor? Check. Socialised Medicine being margalised? Check.

It's pretty depressing really.

Ditto here. Also, we recently had the big ones taking over all sorts of companies, progressively excluding the small shareholders (like me) out. Luckily, laws got passed to prevent this and to stop handing out 'suspicious' loans, only a bit late. It has written Railroad Tygoon II all over it :P
 

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You have some reflexive xenophobia going on there (due to too high an immigration rate for such a tiny country with an extremely high population density), and some "shoulder to shoulder with Bush" Pseudo-Nazism by Bushian Christo-Fascist Balkenende. This rightward drift is causing a trend towards privatization, corporate rampaging and militarism. Fine if you're in the top 10% of wealth earners, are a military or corporate elite, and don't give a damn about maintaining social infrastructure.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_po ... etherlands


You Nederlanders should reduce your immigration rate by 10-60% and/or increase funding for integration (language studies, appropriately suited job placement, ample allowances for food, shelter and clothing). You should find the parties who rigidly oppose privatization, and support regulations to keep ruthless corporations in check.

Geert Wilders is your penalty (and temporary voice) for not realizing that your country (which Canada loves), is really the size of a teacup, and cannot POSSIBLY shelter all the world's dark-skinned poor. Even massive Canada, opened the immigrant floodgates and had Sikh militants taking down planes.

Basically, every party there, right, center or left, should realize that in CORRELATION with immigration rates, should be a coexisting integrative policy which makes sure every immigrant is functional and accepted in the society. If that integration can't or won't be done, then bubbling social chaos will arise. Then, the only prudent thing to do is send those radicals back to their homeland. Banish them. The peaceful and functional immigrants can stay, embraced with love.

ALSO : Royal Dutch shell must not be allowed to play dirty shell games via ruthless, manipulative and clandestine tactics !

Study those parties policies HARD Nederlander, and realize that if you had USA style governance, levy/dyke funding would have been slashed long ago and you wouldn't even EXIST !
 

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Well, I don't know about Norway but around here in the Netherlands we're on a fast track to become a mini version of the USA. Polarisation in politics? Check. Widening gap between the rich and poor? Check. Socialised Medicine being margalised? Check.

Just like in Germany.

It's pretty depressing really.

Indeed. The issue around here is the lack of a strong opposition. The one party which opposes the abandonment of the proven mixed economy and the turning of Germany into an US-style shithole full of obscene poverty, crime, ignorance, and a general anti-social climate is the far-left party. And while there is still majority support for the old mixed economy only a minority is willing to vote for a far-left party. I think if we had some strong, centrist party opposing the current trend it could be stopped.

But so far things are getting worse and worse each year. I still remember when there was almost no real poverty in Germany, and things like street gangs were unheard of. The police has reported an increase in the quality of violence for years and I only need to look across the Atlantic to see where the current course will take us. In L.A. alone there are hunderds of thousands of gang members, and for many of these gangs murdering someone is an entry requirement! Really, the US can not even call itself a civilised nation because of things like that. And the currently popular policy in Europe: unchaining capitalism + massive non-Germanic immigration will recreate such a situation here.

Depressing indeed.
 

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You have some reflexive xenophobia going on there (due to too high an immigration rate for such a tiny country with an extremely high population density)

True, that and a fast growing muslim population that is not willing or able to integrate.

Pseudo-Nazism by Bushian Christo-Fascist Balkenende

Nah nothing that extreme. He's just your typical conservative christian social democrat. They always have their mouths full of moral values, but in the end they want to return to the straightjacket that our society was in the 50's. I despise them, but they're certainly not fascists.

You Nederlanders should reduce your immigration rate by 10-60%

Agreed. Too bad our leftish parties don't seem to realise this or don't want to alienate their leftish tree hugging hippie voters who lub the darkies. Now the only ones that actively put the whole immigration thing on the agenda are the right wing and the populists. Therefore getting a monopoly on it.

or increase funding for integration (language studies, appropriately suited job placement, ample allowances for food, shelter and clothing)

Part of the problem is that we always had these give aways, but never expected anything in return. Why study our language when you can get a cheap house to live in, a decent allowance and then just wait to turn 65 to get a monthly pension and then move back to Marroco and live like a rich man? All the while breeding like crasy because you got nothing else to do and you actually get more money the more kids you have.

ALSO : Royal Dutch shell must not be allowed to play dirty shell games via ruthless, manipulative and clandestine tactics !

Well, those ruthless manipulative and clandestine tactics are how we got rich of those dark skinned poor in the first place. :wink:

Study those parties policies HARD Nederlander, and realize that if you had USA style governance, levy/dyke funding would have been slashed long ago and you wouldn't even EXIST !

Trust me, I know my countries different political parties. I tend to agree with you, but you really should work on loosening up that rhetoric. You kinda sound like that wilde eyed bearded bloke in the park when he's standing on his soapbox yelling at people.


And the currently popular policy in Europe: unchaining capitalism + massive non-Germanic immigration will recreate such a situation here.

Well, it's a catch 22. Either I vote leftish, who happily keep immigration up and thus are more than happy to ignore all those fucking fundamentalists that spread their influence here. Or I vote right, which means that I can say goodbye to all the social benefits we've had and say hello to americanisation. Seriously, it's fucking depressing.
 

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Loosen the rhetoric ? That is utterly impossible (for me).... and it (rampant verbiage) is a unique distinguishing characteristic which YOU do not have to adopt. What if I suggested to you to liven up your rhetoric and dynamize to a hyper-elaborative extent ? Well, I wouldn't suggest such a thing as I am an individualist who doesn't promote behavioural conformity, or even stylistic moderation !


Study hard, Nederlander, Study hard.

One day, you might find a nice farmhouse near Vught and participate in a soccer celebration which is vocally explosive but not malicious (kind of like me).

Also, consider getting a Spanish vacation home : it alleviates cloudy day gloominess.
 

Keldorn

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Depressing indeed.

Now now, respectable Germans and Dutchies ... why the long faces ?

Seriously, I've visited Amsterdam (including the seedier areas), only to come home to Vancouver and my vacation home (where my parents live) in Glendale California.

The crime, poverty and homelessness is EXTREME in North America. Don't EVER get depressed about Northern Europe. Trust me on that. At least you folks have many parties to choose from. The US has 2, and Canada has 3. And NO proportional representation. That means a false choice between extreme right-wingness or slightly more moderate right-wingness.

Now THAT'S depressing.
 

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They always have their mouths full of moral values, but in the end they want to return to the straightjacket that our society was in the 50's.

Butthurt immoral hedonist detected.
 

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http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local ... 828724.ece

Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.

Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.

With that type of standards, it's no wonder that left-wing Norway is the best country in the world. :roll:
 

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And the currently popular policy in Europe: unchaining capitalism + massive non-Germanic immigration will recreate such a situation here.

Well, it's a catch 22. Either I vote leftish, who happily keep immigration up and thus are more than happy to ignore all those fucking fundamentalists that spread their influence here. Or I vote right, which means that I can say goodbye to all the social benefits we've had and say hello to americanisation. Seriously, it's fucking depressing.

Yes, and it is one of the reasons why the opposition to the current trends is so weak.
We really need a party which addresses both issues in a sensible way.
 

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The crime, poverty and homelessness is EXTREME in North America. Don't EVER get depressed about Northern Europe. Trust me on that.

No need to. I have visited the US multiple times, and that's one of the reasons why I am so sure that I do not want Germany to end up like that.
 

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More comparitive cheer for Germans and Nederlanders...


1) In the US, are between 10 and 20 MILLION illegal Mexican immigrants. That's just Mexican, not Indonisian or others. If you took a bus in L.A. as I did as a naive 17 year old and almost got attacked by gang members for accidently bumping into one of them, then you realize what lax immigration IS. They rule the streets. But the US has NEVER had left-wing governance. And under their most right-wing president ever, Bush, their illegal immigration soared and so did non-integration. If you want ethnic tension, go and live in LA for 2 months.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/immigrat ... alImmi.htm


2) In Canada, this happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

As with the US, Canada has never had left-wing governance : the leftist NDP has never formed federal Gov't, only right-leaning Neo-Liberals and Neo-Conservatives have.

Currently, the Sikh population in BC (British Columbia) has mellowed, but they are allowed to carry swords still.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=si ... nada&meta=


And you Euros thought YOU had problems.


So, drop any myths about right-wing governments fixing immigration problems. North America has ONLY had right-wing governments and has experienced EXTREME examples of CONSTANT racial tension and non-integration.
 

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http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article828724.ece

Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.

Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.

With that type of standards, it's no wonder that left-wing Norway is the best country in the world. :roll:

The immigration problems Norway has are minimal and manageable. They have enough tax revenue and layered policies to fund genuine and ample integration. When they have a sect of Sikh (or Muslim) radicals bring down a plane, killing 280 (or even 50) of their own citizens, then tell North America the dire news.
 

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The US *white* homicide rate is about 5 per 100000. The median homicide rate for Western European countries is about 1.2 per 100000.

Yep, in Canada and the US, whities are slaughtering each other at up to 5 times the rate of your MIXED homicide rate (darkies and whities included) statistics in Europe and Scandinavia.
 

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@Keldorn

.. and compared to Columbia the US is a dream land of security, social justice, and humanism.

Who cares that other places suck more? That doesn't make things here any better!

One could argue that one shouldn't complain because one still enjoys living in one of the nicest places on earth, but I do not follow that logic. If you do not strive to make things better (regardless of how good they already/still are compared to other places), there would be no progress and things would only get worse.
 

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Columbia doesn't count (in this comparative context), it's not a 1st world, western, industrialized nation.



Your country has problems. But they are more fixable than the severe ones in North America. That should bring about optimism.

Just study the worst American serial killers to cheer you up ! BTW LS, they are nearly all white !


1. Richard Speck

2. Ed Gein

3. John Wayne Gacey

4. Richard Ramirez (The Nightstalker)

5. Ted Bundy

6. Jeff Dahmer

7. David Berkowitz (Son of Sam)

8. Gary Leon Ridgway (Green River Killer)

9. Henry Lee Lucas & Otis Toole (duo w/over 200 kills)

10. Pee Wee Gaskins

11. Richard "Iceman" Kuklinski

12. Gerald Stano

13. Dean Corll

14. Wayne Williams


After that, picture *several million* dead Vietnamese and Iraqis, killed by white American militarists.
 

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1) In the US, are between 10 and 20 MILLION illegal Mexican immigrants. That's just Mexican, not Indonisian or others. If you took a bus in L.A. as I did as a naive 17 year old and almost got attacked by gang members for accidently bumping into one of them, then you realize what lax immigration IS. They rule the streets. But the US has NEVER had left-wing governance. And under their most right-wing president ever, Bush, their illegal immigration soared and so did non-integration. If you want ethnic tension, go and live in LA for 2 months.

Bush is the most right wing President ever? What? This the same Bush who expanded Medicare with the costly Part D prescription coverage? There's no way you can argue he's more right wing than Herbert Hoover or Ronald Reagan given Bush's expansion of medicare alone.

As for the millions of illegals coming up here to work, there's a really simple solution to that. You end welfare. Mexicans will take jobs Americans won't do because they're living off the teet of the government dole. It also doesn't hurt that we have programs like WIC set up to feed Mexican families with kids who come up here. Oh, and the free health care they get.

The CEOs in Scandinavia (like the one for Nokia), usually stick around and pay MUCH higher income tax rates than greedy American CEOs. They know it creates a better society than one based exclusively on corporate greed, military mayhem and a massive incarceration machine.

Most likely he's got a personal incorporation as a tax shelter. I think we've covered that already.

[/quote]This is why Obama is cutting taxes for the middle class and seniors, and HIKING them for the rich. Societies work better that way.[/quote]

No, they don't. The Bush tax cuts which Hillary and Obama bitch about as being tax cuts for the rich actually raised the income limit for the lowest tax bracket, which means the lowest end of the pool, $0 - $30k per year, pays no taxes at all. The next gap got their taxes cut by 50%, and the percentage dwindles down from there. In other words, while everyone got a reduction in income taxes under his tax cut, the poorest got the most percentage of a cut if they even have to pay income taxes at all.

The highest bracket of income tax, i.e. THE RICH, starts incredibly low, around $200k per year, and it's at 31% under the Bush tax cuts. It used to be 40%.

The big problem with the entire idea of brackets is that you can actually get a pay raise, get bumped up to the next bracket, and actually make LESS money that due to taxes. It's a stupid idea to have tax rates based on income.

Meanwhile, the US corporations and pro-corporate right-wing wacko gov't allows and engineers suffering in order to reap the benefits of disaster-related capitalism and gouging of the poor as they fall through the cracks.

Actually, the rise of corporations in the United States is directly due to the amount of regulations we have on businesses. Up until the 1980s, nearly all gas stations were privately owned mom and pop franchise operations. Due to the EPA regulations on fuel tanks and other fun things, they started going out of business. Who took their place? Larger corporations like Thorton's and SuperAmerica who can afford to eat the costs of those regulations because they have dozens of outlets throughout the regions. You can't make money with a gas station if you own just one these days. As close as you get to the mom and pop stations of old are the guys you'll never see working in them who own 5-10 gas stations in an area.

In fact, Norway first make its mark with the exploits of the Vikings, but hard on the heels of these feared Nordic warriors came a thriving fishing industry that survives to this day, and makes up a significant part of the country's revenue. From fishing and boat-building (that evolved into a reputable ship-building industry), Norway moved into the fast-forward mode after the discovery of oil. But unlike so many other oil-producing countries that wallowed in wealth as the "black gold" flowed, the Norwegians remained frugal in dealing with their new circumstance.

Yeah, 23% of Norway's GDP is oil. Only 9% is manufactured goods. The majority of the rest of it is service industry. Given that Norway is in the top five oil exporters in the world, that's a heck of a lot of service industry right there with very little manufacturing as a fall back. A good chunk of that manufacturing is also tied to oil, such as oil platform fabrication and tanker construction. Right now, Norway is booming due to oil. Without oil, Norway is hurting. We'll see how much socialism they can take on without having the oil market here in the next half century.

Meanwhile, the United States has gobs of oil. We leave it in the ground untouched because of environmentalists, who are typically our left wingers. Our left wing actually holds our GDP back.

After that, picture *several million* dead Vietnamese and Iraqis, killed by white American militarists.

Actually, more Vietnamese were murdered after we left Vietnam than we killed. Millions more. Same thing goes for Cambodia.

The left wingers have killed FAR more people than right wingers have. Hilter killed 7-8 million, Stalin was around 50 million, Pol Pot killed around 2-3 million, Mao Se Tung killed around 60 million, and so on.

So, let's not toss in which side of the political spectrum kills the most people. You'll lose that one every time.
 

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