Decline Sword Coast Legends - RIP n-Space!

[Immortal]

After all, back when the first news came out, I pooped all over the design for several pages here, and still there were Codexians ready to buy and telling me that it was "too early" to know what the game would be like. Now, just imagine what other places were like - where it was just a pure d&d wankfest, with no one even thinking to look behind the curtain.

Wow - you mean some people on the codex are shamelessly gobbling up any game that comes out with even a sliver of nostalgia and defend it to the death?

Despite large undeniable evidence that it's going to be shit?

Where's my Nicholas Cage meme.

 

[ArchAngel]

That's quite interesting. Do you know the guy's username? I'd like to see this watchshaming myself.

Don't remember anymore, it was long time ago. I only remember the thing because of the phone games thing, one of the Watch members is obsessed with games not even smelling like they are for phone so he found out fast what that "hardcore" site is all about.

 

[Irenaeus II]

Some people on shoutbox are baiting me into buying another copy of SCL so they both can review it.

You know who you are, shame on you.

 

[pippin]

You must do the right thing. For Codexia.

 

[Delterius]

The review would not be complete without the multiplayer aspect~

 

[pippin]

That must be broadcasted live for our glorious nation, obviously.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I was going to suggest elf palading + orc barbarian for the multiplayer, but sadly there are no orcs.

 

[sstacks]

I was going to suggest elf palading + orc barbarian for the multiplayer, but sadly there are no orcs.

An elf paddling an orc barbarian? What kind of forum do you think they run around here???

 

[AwesomeButton]

An elf paddling an orc barbarian? What kind of forum do you think they run around here???

Lol, I just noticed I've written "palading"

 

[Somberlain]

What's a palading?

 

[Delterius]

I might use that in the review. "In its essence, Sword Coast Legends is a game about palading the shit out of the forgotten realms".

 

[Infinitron]

What's a palading?

 

[sstacks]

It's when your paladin gets dinged. In Everquest, this was a good thing. In most other worlds, it's not.

 

[DavidBVal]

Stop palading, niggahs.

 

[Volourn]

"NWN sales were in the millions of copies (I think I read both NWNs combined to over 3 million) Your estimation sounds low, but even if right, not only DnD nerds play DnD games, it's not like 250K is the ceiling of how many people will play your game."

NWN alone sold 3mil. NWN was BIO's most successful - even more than BG2 or KOTOR1 - until DA came out.


As for SCL, it is bogus. The biggest difference between other D&D RPGs is that it doesn't even seem to try to be D&D. Even POR2 tried. It failed miserbaly but it seems like the effort was there to make it DnD. Also, TOEE and NW (btw all 3 of these came out just after 3E was released and were in development while it was made) s so the excuse that 5e just came out is bogus. And, those 3 games were competing with each other along with MW and IWD2 at the time. That was the big issue with POR2 too. It desperately wanted to be 'first' so rushed. SCL didn't have thate xcuse. It has no competition.

EPIC FAIL. EPIC FUKKIN' FAIL.

 

[Lhynn]

Volourn, are you a bioware employee?

 

[DavidBVal]

Volourn, are you a bioware employee?

I don't know, I don't see anything romanceable in his posts.

But the 3 million figure is the best approximation I could find. If anyone can quote a better source it'd be interesting, to know how big is (or was shortly ago) the DnD CRPG potential playerbase.

I'm sure a decently put together game which was just a NWN2 updated to 5E and to nowadays visuals, with an ok story would have sold millions of PC copies, and brought a lot of good publicity to the new edition (which it badly needs)

 

[pippin]

Last time I checked, KOTOR was so big for Bioware, it allowed them to work without pressure or releasing new products for a number of years. That's why they only made Jade Empire between KOTOR and ME1. I don't know anything about numbers, but since KOTOR was also released on XBOX, I guess it was as big or even bigger than NWN.

 

[DavidBVal]

Last time I checked, KOTOR was so big for Bioware, it allowed them to work without pressure or releasing new products for a number of years. That's why they only made Jade Empire between KOTOR and ME1. I don't know anything about numbers, but since KOTOR was also released on XBOX, I guess it was as big or even bigger than NWN.

Yes, but KOTOR engine was an update to Aurora engine, so in the end it only proves what a good financial move was NWN series, and how doing things with quality as a priority is the way to go when you have a niche product . SCL Unity scripts will achieve nothing in the long run.

 

[Delterius]

Volourn, are you a bioware employee?

Volourn is about lies and truths and how the former must be stopped in the name of the latter.

 

[Roguey]

Last time I checked, KOTOR was so big for Bioware, it allowed them to work without pressure or releasing new products for a number of years. That's why they only made Jade Empire between KOTOR and ME1. I don't know anything about numbers, but since KOTOR was also released on XBOX, I guess it was as big or even bigger than NWN.

Yes, as big.

https://web.archive.org/web/20081217170154/http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/about/

Released on the Xbox in July 2003 and on PC in November 2003 and published by LucasArts, this was the fastest-selling Xbox game in history at the time of its release.The game has sold 3 million copies to date (Xbox and PC)

 

[Telengard]

I would describe it like a budget version of NWN with minimal complexity and the most barebones editor you could imagine.

However, it's endearing in an odd sort of way. I kinda like the atmosphere and the old-school vibe.

I think the best way to approach it is to forget that it's supposed to be D&D - and accept it as a casual fantasy romp with some PnP trappings.

Keep in mind that I've only played it a few hours. It could expand in some ways, I suppose - but I doubt it.

I played it for about 20 odd hours or more and i find the story to be great and the quests dont become boring. I dont know if that is because i am playing multiplayer though.

That's nonsense, actually you have a whole set of creatures that are dark elves that you can add to a module. I won't deny there are some simple elements to this game. For me, the fact the campaign has branching dialogue and other things that aren't in the module creator yet is a bit annoying. I don't like the cool downs either but lengthening the duration of some cooldowns and in general nerfing a bunch of skills would go a long way because you kinda start out kind of godlike.

I like the game but I admit I'm not a purist. However, I can't see resting in a multiplayer game and taking turns like you are sitting around the table with your buddies ever really working within a computer game. A board game(and that really is what D&D is) would be so much better in person. I have never liked a computer board game. Thats me though and my opinion.

I think the game especially the campaign is a lot of fun. It resembles(in my mind) an isometric Dragon Age more then it does Neverwinter Nights. There is a resting camping spot where you can quiz your NPC mates for God's sake. You can turn off party AI behaviors and following and pause the game to give your strategy to each NPC just like Dragon Age. The party banters are admirable and the atmosphere is very Forgotton Realms.

I am willing to give the developers time to patch and add to the game just like I have waited a year for Divinity to get better.

Signed: Your friends at the Watch.

EDIT: Context for the last one is certainly someone wanting to be Drizzt a dark elf, not simply have them in the game. Lots of those people around.

 

[pippin]

In IWD2 you could be a drow. Why can't you be one in SCL?

 

[Bubbles]

In IWD2 you could be a drow. Why can't you be one in SCL?

The Drow race pack is one of the biggest assets they have for DLC sales. People would easily pay $29.99 for that.

 

[pippin]