System Shock 2 GOG and Steam Release

[BobtheTree]

And The Bard's Tale is now on your iPad/smart phone. Your point?

 

[spekkio]

PC? Check.
Old? Check.
Universally considered good? Check.
Has ANY RPG elements? Check.
Not released by filthy japanese? Check.

I think moving to cRPG was inevitable.



Shows how desperate some mods Codex actually is: "RPGCodex - if you know about any good games (except Fallout 1) which can be called cRPGs, let us know".

 

[Excidium]

And The Bard's Tale is now on your iPad/smart phone. Your point?

My point is that you need to L2READ: "For all those modern RPGs that have been designed for consoles as their target audience. Includes console only titles and games that had a multi-platform release on launch day."

I wasn't the one who made that shit up, if it was up to me it would still be General RPG Discussion. But it's the way it is. Also, inb4 "b-but morrowind was released first on the PC!"

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Well, it's certainly more of an RPG than Dishonored, and we had a review of that on the main page...

 

[spekkio]

We have main page?

 

[potatojohn]

SS2 is far more popamole than Morrowind.

 

[Excidium]

Do you even know what that term means you fucking retard?

 

[Gord]

PC? Check.
Old? Check.
Universally considered good? Check.
Has ANY RPG elements? Check.
Not released by filthy japanese? Check.

I think moving to cRPG was inevitable.



Shows how desperate some mods Codex actually is: "RPGCodex - if you know about any good games (except Fallout 1) which can be called cRPGs, let us know".

Today it would be considered aRPG for sure.
Back in the days... I don't remember what category it was considerd at the time, honestly.
Of course, we could overhaul the categories yet again and use "character-skill based rpgs (BG,IWD,NWN,etc.)" and "player-skill based rpgs (TW2, SS2, Skyrim, etc.).

 

[Excidium]

No, fuck those retarded categories. All RPGs involve player skill in one way or the other. Otherwise it wouldn't be a game to begin with.

SS2 is a FP action game.

 

[spekkio]

^
SS2 is not TB RTWP ISO, so of course it's not cRPG.

Spoiler

By Codex' standards.

 

[Lilura]

CRPGs which don't really rely on twitch skills are those of the turn-based variety, like ToEE. In that game you don't even need to be quick on the spacebar... All you need is a beer, some pretzels and no interruptions!

 

[Gragt]

Bullshit. You want to interrupt enemy spellcasters as much as possible.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Well, you'll certainly get your fill of beer and pretzels during all the bugbear walking animations.

 

[Captain Shrek]

Lulz Morrowind is a popamole RPG and SS2 is a proper CRPG now?

Hypocrite mod.

 

[DalekFlay]

Let's all debate what an RPG is, that sounds fun and surely not mind-numbingly tired.

 

[Rpgsaurus Rex]

What is love?

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

And The Bard's Tale is now on your iPad/smart phone. Your point?

My point is that you need to L2READ: "For all those modern RPGs that have been designed for consoles as their target audience. Includes console only titles and games that had a multi-platform release on launch day."

I wasn't the one who made that shit up, if it was up to me it would still be General RPG Discussion. But it's the way it is. Also, inb4 "b-but morrowind was released first on the PC!"

But Xbox Morrowind was released after the PC version.

FLANK ATTACK!

 

[Captain Shrek]

Ultima was released for consoles. So was might and magic.

 

[Infinitron]

But they weren't developed as multiplatform titles. (Morrowind was, albeit just barely. I still think that it should not be in the console forum, but the moderators disagree.)

 

[Oesophagus]

Let's all debate what an RPG is, that sounds fun and surely not mind-numbingly tired.

I'd really like to hear hiver's view, he's always so reluctant to voice his opinion...

 

[Captain Shrek]

But they weren't developed as multiplatform titles. (Morrowind was, albeit just barely. I still think that it should not be in the console forum, but the moderators disagree.)

The point is that it does not matter which platform. It matters how good.

 

[Tzaero]

No one expects the Nazi hybrids.

 

[Infinitron]

I've managed to incite the mob agains GOG's greedy ways

http://af.gog.com/forum/system_shock_2/giving_credit_to_the_actual_patch_authors?as=1649904300

Now that it's been more or less confirmed that this version uses the 2012 New Dark patch (released by Le Corbeau on Ariane4ever) integrated into an older version (v. 4.0) of SS2Tool (containing various bugfixes by several authors and maintained by Kolya on Systemshock.org) I think it's time for GOG to explain why no credit was given to any of those patch authors. Wait, scratch that: Not only was no public credit given whatsoever, Stephen Kick of Night Dive Studios and Guillaume Rambourg of GOG.com actually proclaimed themselves as the "expert tech ninjas" patching the game to its released state (see http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/13/many-questions-system-shock-2-comes-to-gog/ ).

Now, as NewDark was released anonymously, there is still a slim chance that a private agreement was reached with Le Corbeau or that Le Corbau himself is connected to Night Dive Studios. But again, as NewDark is based on the Thief 2 source code which belongs to Eidos, this is highly unlikely, being the potential cause for a lawsuit (which still applies, of course, as NewDark is part of this release).
Still, this does not apply to the author and co-authors auf the SS2Tool. Systemshock.org has long been an active website for System Shock modding and bugfixing and most of the programmers and mod builders there can be reached for comment easily.

So, long story short, what gives, GOG?

 

[BobtheTree]

Yea...GOG is soooooooooo greedy.

Sure, it's sketchy, but I imagine they had good intentions behind it (getting it to run on modern systems). I have a feeling they signed the game and rushed it out there instead of taking the time to connect everything. But yes, credit/permission should be given to/by the fan patch makers.

 

[evdk]

Yea...GOG is soooooooooo greedy.

Sure, it's sketchy, but I imagine they had good intentions behind it (getting it to run on modern systems). I have a feeling they signed the game and rushed it out there instead of taking the time to connect everything. But yes, credit/permission should be given to/by the fan patch makers.

The good intentions become kind of dubious when money gets involved and you use other people's work without even a hint of acknowledgement.