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Lacrymas

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Even the best players have like a 10% win ratio at best with the most powerful class (Oozemancer), so don't sweat it. Winning is not the point, just the best possible outcome.
 

TwoEdge

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When is this getting a new expansion?
Nicolas (AKA Darkgod), has always had a 'when it's ready' approach to releases. To make matters worse, he has been on a dry spell lately, he seems to be getting around it, though. But yeah, as other users pointed out, it's a mystery.
 

TwoEdge

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Even the best players have like a 10% win ratio at best with the most powerful class (Oozemancer), so don't sweat it. Winning is not the point, just the best possible outcome.
One nitpick, though, Oozemancer is not the most powerful class. Top 3? Sure. Most resilient class? Definitely. But Paradox Mage and revamped Necro are ahead, Oozemancer lacks offensive power which sometimes leads to stalemates, and stalemates are dangerous in ToME.
 

Lacrymas

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Oozemancer has the highest win ratio last time I checked, so that's why I mentioned it as the most powerful class.
 

TwoEdge

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Interesting, maybe because it's more straightforward? Oozemancer just needs to be wallowing in slime to succeed, while Paradox Mages need to know about stacking attenuate, resists, and paradox and cooldown management. Necro is similarly complex, with minions and multiple resources. Another factor may be that Necro and PM are both shut down by silence and struggle against antimagic, while Oozemancer has no obvious counters. Fascinating.
 

whocares

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Played this a bit a while ago, never got far. Installed it on a whim today, then uninstalled after seeing the character creation screen. Female is the default gender and classes are described with "her" as the pronoun of choice. Has this alwyas been woke or did they troon out at some point like DCSS?
 

notpl

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Played this a bit a while ago, never got far. Installed it on a whim today, then uninstalled after seeing the character creation screen. Female is the default gender and classes are described with "her" as the pronoun of choice. Has this alwyas been woke or did they troon out at some point like DCSS?
[clicks desktop shotcut, clicks "new game"]



Literal first class, alphabetically. I did not select "male." I get it, but maybe video games just aren't for you if you're going to be this insane about the existence of women.
 

whocares

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Played this a bit a while ago, never got far. Installed it on a whim today, then uninstalled after seeing the character creation screen. Female is the default gender and classes are described with "her" as the pronoun of choice. Has this alwyas been woke or did they troon out at some point like DCSS?
[clicks desktop shotcut, clicks "new game"]



Literal first class, alphabetically. I did not select "male." I get it, but maybe video games just aren't for you if you're going to be this insane about the existence of women.

Why you gotta be lying? If you like your tranny game just say so, don't try to mislead people. Every time I clicked new game it defaulted to female. It's even first in the order.
And this is what you get when you try to pick the sword and shield class:
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notpl

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Interesting, interesting. I wonder if the phenomenon is localized purely to the game, or if it extends outward into other media... I'm going to post a gameplay video now, would you mind telling me what you see?

 

Seethe

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Played this a bit a while ago, never got far. Installed it on a whim today, then uninstalled after seeing the character creation screen. Female is the default gender and classes are described with "her" as the pronoun of choice. Has this alwyas been woke or did they troon out at some point like DCSS?
How many times have you called "SJWs" triggered before?
 

Lacrymas

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I've never noticed that it defaults to female, but that's probably because it's in alphabetical order.
 

whocares

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Played this a bit a while ago, never got far. Installed it on a whim today, then uninstalled after seeing the character creation screen. Female is the default gender and classes are described with "her" as the pronoun of choice. Has this alwyas been woke or did they troon out at some point like DCSS?
How many times have you called "SJWs" triggered before?
There's no need to cope Seethe and most importantly dialate here. If you like your based roguelikes so much, may I interest you in another one called Caves of Quck? You should feel right at home there.
I've never noticed that it defaults to female, but that's probably because it's in alphabetical order.
Come on, you can't honestly believe it was anything but deliberate when they also use female pronouns in class descriptions. They knew exactly what they were doing.
 

Lacrymas

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Come on, you can't honestly believe it was anything but deliberate when they also use female pronouns in class descriptions. They knew exactly what they were doing.
I just checked. It neither defaults to female nor does it say "she" in the description of all the classes. It mostly says "they".
 

whocares

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Come on, you can't honestly believe it was anything but deliberate when they also use female pronouns in class descriptions. They knew exactly what they were doing.
I just checked. It neither defaults to female nor does it say "she" in the description of all the classes. It mostly says "they".
Exactly. It's mostly "they" with some "hers" randomly thrown in there. Not a single "his." And that's in a game that started as Tales of Middle Earth, where not a single adventurer was female.

And I dunno about the default character. I tested it several times. Every time it started with female ticked (and changing it to male didn't change the descriptions).
 

lightbane

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Changing the pronouns from male to female happened in the 2010s, it was the prelude to shoving they everywhere and troonofication galore.
 

xuerebx

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Who the fuck gives a flying shit! TOME is a great game and rogue like. Some of you deliberately try to find reasons to hate everything.

Holy fuck checking the pronouns in the descriptors, jesus christ.
 

Lacrymas

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Exactly. It's mostly "they" with some "hers" randomly thrown in there. Not a single "his." And that's in a game that started as Tales of Middle Earth, where not a single adventurer was female.

And I dunno about the default character. I tested it several times. Every time it started with female ticked (and changing it to male didn't change the descriptions).
Berserker uses he pronouns. As for why it defaults to female, I think it defaults to whatever you chose last to play as and the first time you boot up the game it's set to female because it's in alphabetical order. I'd be very surprised if DarkGod is intentionally doing shit like this, he strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn't care.
 

Berengar

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This is seriously the saddest shit I've read on here in a minute and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING

also ToME rules your loss :mixedemotions:
 

InD_ImaginE

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I don't even think it defaults to Female. Just opened Tome and it defaults randomly, sometimes Male, sometimes Female
 

notpl

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Come on, you can't honestly believe it was anything but deliberate when they also use female pronouns in class descriptions. They knew exactly what they were doing.
I just checked. It neither defaults to female nor does it say "she" in the description of all the classes. It mostly says "they".
Exactly. It's mostly "they" with some "hers" randomly thrown in there. Not a single "his." And that's in a game that started as Tales of Middle Earth, where not a single adventurer was female.

And I dunno about the default character. I tested it several times. Every time it started with female ticked (and changing it to male didn't change the descriptions).
Just to be clear to the audience, this person is lying. It doesn't matter at all either way, but the statement is still untrue. Of Tome4's 37 classes, 2 use female pronouns in their description, 4 use male pronouns, and the remainder use plural. The curious can see a list of every class in the game and follow through to read their descriptions on the wiki: https://te4.org/wiki/Class
 
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Come on, you can't honestly believe it was anything but deliberate when they also use female pronouns in class descriptions. They knew exactly what they were doing.
I just checked. It neither defaults to female nor does it say "she" in the description of all the classes. It mostly says "they".
Exactly. It's mostly "they" with some "hers" randomly thrown in there. Not a single "his." And that's in a game that started as Tales of Middle Earth, where not a single adventurer was female.

And I dunno about the default character. I tested it several times. Every time it started with female ticked (and changing it to male didn't change the descriptions).
Just to be clear to the audience, this person is lying. It doesn't matter at all either way, but the statement is still untrue. Of Tome4's 37 classes, 2 use female pronouns in their description, 4 use male pronouns, and the remainder use plural. The curious can see a list of every class in the game and follow through to read their descriptions on the wiki: https://te4.org/wiki/Class
Chuddies? Lying on the internet? Say it ain't so
 

Crayll

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More importantly, when is the DLC that was announced years ago going to come out? Has there been any communication recently?
 

TwoEdge

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More importantly, when is the DLC that was announced years ago going to come out? Has there been any communication recently?
When is this getting a new expansion?
Nicolas (AKA Darkgod), has always had a 'when it's ready' approach to releases. To make matters worse, he has been on a dry spell lately, he seems to be getting around it, though. But yeah, as other users pointed out, it's a mystery.
 

Fenix

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Those "she" in description is sad thing, but it's mostly cosmetic - unlike DCSS? no, it was CoQ where they add pronouns for some alien demon, the main enemy in the game. In DCSS they just converted almost every unique to female.
I call them "he" anyway, cause they are all he, tee-hee.

DG himself is in a - I thik I wont be far from thruth - some kind of depression. I wish him to get out of it, and don't care about DLC.
 

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