From Software The Dark Souls Discussion Thread

[AngryEddy]

Maybe AngryEddy has simply never seen any real Medieval or Renaissance architecture in person? Did you think it was supposed to be some kind of original artistic design

Yes, and ethically-wise, yes.

I could give the graveyard a pass, but that fucking French cathedral ripoff is unforgivable to me.

 

[AngryEddy]

So what's wrong with copying real-world objects

The "copying" part. There's nothing wrong with inspiration, or even borrowing bits and pieces of something, but copy and pasting something to a near 1:1 ratio is just despicable.

I wouldn't be surprised at this point to find out that Ash Lake is just a ripoff of some obscure, Louisiana swamp.

 

[Surf Solar]

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Maybe AngryEddy has simply never seen any real Medieval or Renaissance architecture in person? Did you think it was supposed to be some kind of original artistic design

Yes, and ethically-wise, yes.

I could give the graveyard a pass, but that fucking French cathedral ripoff is unforgivable to me.

I'd honestly prefer to believe you're trolling, the alternative is just so sad...

 

[DragoFireheart]

Maybe AngryEddy has simply never seen any real Medieval or Renaissance architecture in person? Did you think it was supposed to be some kind of original artistic design

Yes, and ethically-wise, yes.

I could give the graveyard a pass, but that fucking French cathedral ripoff is unforgivable to me.

I'd honestly prefer to believe you're trolling, the alternative is just so sad...

He hates Dark Souls and Dark Souls fans. If he isn't trolling then he's a sad little man.

 

[Jaedar]

My crescent axe +5 is really starting so show its age in the DLC content. Thankfully lifehunt scythe was pretty good for killing guardian manticore, even with my rather abysmal dexterity.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Yeah the DLC bosses are way too heavily armored for split damage weapons generally. Sadly the closest thing to the Crescent Axe for pure damage is the cleaver, which is less than stellar.

 

[Jick Magger]

So what's wrong with copying real-world objects

The "copying" part. There's nothing wrong with inspiration, or even borrowing bits and pieces of something, but copy and pasting something to a near 1:1 ratio is just despicable.

I wouldn't be surprised at this point to find out that Ash Lake is just a ripoff of some obscure, Louisiana swamp.

So basically, you're swearing off FROM as a bunch of plagiarists for closely following the architecture of a real life location for one room, in one area, in a 70+ hour game?

You see why I feel as though there's some ulterior motive behind your vitriol?

 

[AngryEddy]

So what's wrong with copying real-world objects

The "copying" part. There's nothing wrong with inspiration, or even borrowing bits and pieces of something, but copy and pasting something to a near 1:1 ratio is just despicable.

I wouldn't be surprised at this point to find out that Ash Lake is just a ripoff of some obscure, Louisiana swamp.

you're swearing off FROM as a bunch of plagiarists for closely following

You see why I feel as though there's some ulterior motive behind your vitriol?

Who said they're "closely following"? I said they're outright plagiarists, because that's what anyone with a functioning brain will see, period. I asked a couple of my friends who don't play games to look at these pictures to see if they agreed with me, and surprise surprise, they did. Only the online Dark Souls zealot community will say "they're just closely following, that's not plagiarism, that's inspiration! etc" or whatever other shitty excuse they can come up with to sweep criticism aimed at FROM under the rug. They're not so different than pony people, who cannot accept criticism of their sacred cow, and will use shame and witch hunting tactics to silence their opposition.


What's my ulterior motive? I like Dark Souls 1 but it sure as shit isn't above criticism. As of now though I do not like FROM [not just because of the plagiarism, but also because of how boring and uninspiring Dark Souls 2 was, from the little I played], especially considering they drove one franchise in to the ground [Armored Core]. and they're doing it to the Souls series now, and I'm saying this as a fan of their games who knew the specific FROM SOFTWARE brand since like 1997.

 

[Jick Magger]

I love how you completely ignore the rest of my post.

Let's just concede, for a moment, that it is plagiarism. You're still coming off as a sensationalist idiot who'd be more suited for /v/ than here, because once again, it's precisely one room in a 70+ hour game, big fucking deal. The comparisons for the rest, at best, can be considered, at best, inspired by the original works and altered to a significant enough degree to be considered an original work (if you disagree, then explain), or inspired by real-world locations that aren't exactly covered by copyright laws. You're not being reasonable here; you're entire counterargument thus far has essentially just been "I'm right and you're in denial", so you must understand why absolutely nobody here takes you seriously.

So basically what you're saying is that you hate FROM now and are desperately trying to look for excuses to dislike Dark Souls 1, no matter how trivial they are? I'm not saying it's a perfect game, because it isn't, but you're coming off as the type of person who complains about Star Wars: A New Hope being a ripoff of The Hidden Fortress.

 

[Invictus]

Damn that eddy is just so...angry
Guess edgyeddy was taken along with angstyeddy

 

[DragoFireheart]

Damn that eddy is just so...angry
Guess edgyeddy was taken along with angstyeddy

He probably rage quit at the Anor Londo archers and has never actually finished the game.

 

[dunno lah]

Personally, AL archers aren't difficult at all. I think I've only died once to them because of "first-time ignorance".

 

[Jaedar]

Personally, AL archers aren't difficult at all. I think I've only died once to them because of "first-time ignorance".

yes they are.

I dunno, every time i try to fight them properly one of the arrows knocks me off the ledge in a way that is perpendicular to its direction of travel. fucking bullshit is what it is

 

[Gozma]

I didn't even have the thumbstick camerawizard skill to make the 90 degree turns on the ledges more than 50% of the time when I first got to that point.

Anyway the thing everyone gets wrong there is that you just shouldn't block (unless you have got the right archer to put his bow away). Getting hit will knock you down but rarely off if you get to the final ledge, but a shield blocked arrow will knock you off every time. You can invincibility roll forward through shots to avoid them. It's kind of a "I bet you are really used to blocking shit by now huh? How about we fuck that reflex over hard" trick.

 

[dunno lah]

Yeah, I never used a shield. I just ran past those arrows, it can be done comfortably with a mid-roller like me.

 

[praetor]

wait until you get to the Shrine of Amana in DaS2. now that's bullshit (homing magic snipers everywhere. trivial if you have a bow. still bullshit)

 

[Invictus]

Its the funny thing about the Souls series; once you get the main point to always be on the lookout, use ranged attacks to either draw the enemy in or kill them outright you are always on your guard.
I died exactly 3 times in Amana; one from an ambush near the second bonfire when trying to kill the giant cyclops thingies and got jumped by 2 water rats...other than that it was from rolling into the deep water areas because I sniped all them cheap clerics with their homing missles
This game never makes me feel bad over beign cheap with the missle attacks or poison because I know it will take any chance to kill me with all sorts of cheapness like the human sized dragon knights in the shrine; they have much better AI than all the black phantoms and certainly the NPC summons

 

[StaticSpine]

First time in Sen's Fortress

 

[Ninjerk]

Sen's is where I realized I loved the game.

 

[StaticSpine]

I've noticed one thing - I just got to Anor Londo and I still use Drake Sword and it's okay against most simple enemies, but I tried to slay Iron Golem with it and the damage was like 30-40 from a slash, so I summoned Iron Tarkus and he soloed th boss, but what do I do to get a normal damage?

 

[Jaedar]

I've noticed one thing - I just got to Anor Londo and I still use Drake Sword and it's okay against most simple enemies, but I tried to slay Iron Golem with it and the damage was like 30-40 from a slash, so I summoned Iron Tarkus and he soloed th boss, but what do I do to get a normal damage?

Get a better weapon. The damage something takes depends a lot on their armor, and bosses tend to be well armored, while regular enemies are not so much. I would recommend you a weapon, but I do not know what build you have. The blacksmith in anor londo can make some pretty nice ones with those special souls you have. Alternatively just make a +10 weapon with Andre.

 

[Invictus]

Yeah the Drake Sword (and Astora Sword too for the matter) tend to lose their effectivness arround midgame and even with the dragon scales they will get get nerfed by Anor Londo
Using those swords should have gotten you a good amount of titanite which you can put to good use with a nice longsword, claymore or halberd which you can upgrade here.
Optionaly the lightning spear you got in Sens makes a pretty good midgame weapon

 

[StaticSpine]

I've noticed one thing - I just got to Anor Londo and I still use Drake Sword and it's okay against most simple enemies, but I tried to slay Iron Golem with it and the damage was like 30-40 from a slash, so I summoned Iron Tarkus and he soloed th boss, but what do I do to get a normal damage?

Get a better weapon. The damage something takes depends a lot on their armor, and bosses tend to be well armored, while regular enemies are not so much. I would recommend you a weapon, but I do not know what build you have. The blacksmith in anor londo can make some pretty nice ones with those special souls you have. Alternatively just make a +10 weapon with Andre.

I'm strength-based knight, so I'd go with some strength-scaling sword, but I don't seem to have any good, I've checked some vids on youtube, and I believe that serpent-man sword is one of the best, but I do not own one. I have some special souls from butterfly and the spider damsel I think, are there any good to make for strength scaling?

Yeah the Drake Sword (and Astora Sword too for the matter) tend to lose their effectivness arround midgame and even with the dragon scales they will get get nerfed by Anor Londo
Using those swords should have gotten you a good amount of titanite which you can put to good use with a nice longsword, claymore or halberd which you can upgrade here.
Optionaly the lightning spear you got in Sens makes a pretty good midgame weapon

I'd like to use some nice longsword, but I think I only have a zweihander (I've got a black knight sword, but it doesn't work due to lack of DEX)

 

[Jaedar]

Strength scaling weapons eh... Black knight sword is very good midgame option for that. Claymore is good too. Man-serpent is very good but Great/Large club from blighttown is very capable as well.