From Software The Dark Souls Discussion Thread

[praetor]

yeah, Great club is pretty good and easy to get. Large club is better imo (dat 1HR2 is good for crowds), but kind of a bitch to farm those fatsoes. manserpent shouldn't be that hard to get (drop rate is fairly decent). reinforced club, mace, battle axe are solid light 1handed weapons. greataxe is also really good (and one of the best to go elemental.. like chaos)

 

[StaticSpine]

yeah, Great club is pretty good and easy to get. Large club is better imo (dat 1HR2 is good for crowds), but kind of a bitch to farm those fatsoes. manserpent shouldn't be that hard to get (drop rate is fairly decent). reinforced club, mace, battle axe are solid light 1handed weapons. greataxe is also really good (and one of the best to go elemental.. like chaos)

I see that there is a variety of weapons, but is it possible to upgrade several or I'll have titanite to do only one (I store most of it by far)?

I believe I have great club right now.

How long can it take to farm manserpent and large club? I heard there is some ring that increases drop rate.

I think I have most of the other weapons you've mentioned, but basically I have the same question about titanite.

Oh yeah, since I'm in Anor Londo (just got there), how soon will I get the item to teleport through bonfires?

 

[praetor]

1) feel free to use regular and large shards (and twinklies) to your heart's content, they're sold in unlimited quantities and there's a few quick, efficient soul farming spots (the phalanx in the painted world and the forest hunters)

2) the large club could take a while because the enemies aren't really in farming-friendly spots (perhaps the fatsos at the beginning of blighttown from the depths are the most convenient?) and the drop rate isn't that good. manserpent shouldn't take long, i almost always end up with a couple even with just 10 humanity and no gold ring, and farming them is relatively quick (plus good parrying practice )

3) the goldserpent ring (drop rate) is in Sen's fortress. remember the boulder trap and that room with the mimic holding the lightning spear at the bottom of it? stand in the entrance and let the boulders fill up that hole nearby, then the next boulder will smash the wall and the shiny you see is the ring (dash to it after a boulder and then take cover near the hole you came in from, on the right side)

4) you'll teleport (the lordvessel) as soon as you beat the boss of Anor Londo (probably one of the top 3 fights in the Souls games, so have fun and enjoy it )

 

[Jaedar]

Teleportation comes after you beat the Anor londo boss.

Without farming, you probably won't have enough titanite to bring more than 1 or 2 weapons to +15, but all the ingredients for +10 can be bought with souls iirc. You should get the gold serpent ring from Sens fortress before you do any item farming.

 

[Gozma]

You can also make basically anything with moderate or high minimum stat requirements (e.g. the scythe, the claymore) a +4 lightning weapon at about the 2/3rds point of Anor Londo and it will do plenty of damage to finish the game with. The two big DLC bosses are the only non-player enemies in the game where it helps much to have a pure physical heavy stat-scaling weapon like a +15 MSGS/large club for a 40 strength char (because they have high hitpoints and a lot of armor against every damage type).

 

[StaticSpine]

1) feel free to use regular and large shards (and twinklies) to your heart's content, they're sold in unlimited quantities and there's a few quick, efficient soul farming spots (the phalanx in the painted world and the forest hunters)

2) the large club could take a while because the enemies aren't really in farming-friendly spots (perhaps the fatsos at the beginning of blighttown from the depths are the most convenient?) and the drop rate isn't that good. manserpent shouldn't take long, i almost always end up with a couple even with just 10 humanity and no gold ring, and farming them is relatively quick (plus good parrying practice )

3) the goldserpent ring (drop rate) is in Sen's fortress. remember the boulder trap and that room with the mimic holding the lightning spear at the bottom of it? stand in the entrance and let the boulders fill up that hole nearby, then the next boulder will smash the wall and the shiny you see is the ring (dash to it after a boulder and then take cover near the hole you came in from, on the right side)

4) you'll teleport (the lordvessel) as soon as you beat the boss of Anor Londo (probably one of the top 3 fights in the Souls games, so have fun and enjoy it )

Thanks for the massive post bro!

Jaedar Gozma

Thanks for you too!


Actually, I must've missed a lot of stuff in Sen's Fortress because it was so stressful that I rushed through it.

Will I be able to get back there to talk to Onion Bro later (I want to take his quest) or now it's too late?

 

[LivingOne]

You can go back anytime by 'talking' to the pink demon who brought you to Anor Londo.I don't think you need to talk to OnionBro in Sen's to advance his quest('sides,he shouldn't be there anymore).If you don't feel like going back already I think that between the zweihander,the weapons from souls and the lightining spear(if you have it from Sen's Fortress)should do if you upgrade 'em a bit.

 

[StaticSpine]

You can go back anytime by 'talking' to the pink demon who brought you to Anor Londo.I don't think you need to talk to OnionBro in Sen's to advance his quest('sides,he shouldn't be there anymore).If you don't feel like going back already I think that between the zweihander,the weapons from souls and the lightining spear(if you have it from Sen's Fortress)should do if you upgrade 'em a bit.

Okay, I'll look through my inventory and decide.

 

[StaticSpine]

Shit's crazy!

I've got back to Sen's Fortress/Undead parish to go to Andre of Astora and upgrade zweihander and run for the ring and other items I didn't collect.

So, I've upgraded zweihander to +5 (or +6) and later to Raw. Is it okay?

Later I went to pwn some snakes and accidentally one of 'em dropped Manserpent Sword

I went back to the blacksmith and upgraded it till +5 and I now can make it raw too, do I need that?

BTW can you explain the upgrade mechanics? What stands for "raw" etc? Oh, and how do I upgrade stronger than +5?

 

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raw path increases base damage but lowers scaling with str/dex

to ascend weapon from +5 to +6 you need to give Adrea Large Ember(found in Depths) and then use Large Titanite Shards

 

[Elwro]

When you get your timing right, using a +many Zweihander with hight Str is quite fun for a while. Try PvPing with it, though... it taught me to fight without lock-on.

 

[StaticSpine]

Okay, got it!

So I'd probably go with a Man-Serpent sword without making it raw, because afaik it has the best strength scaling in the game.

 

[Jaedar]

Shit's crazy!

I've got back to Sen's Fortress/Undead parish to go to Andre of Astora and upgrade zweihander and run for the ring and other items I didn't collect.

So, I've upgraded zweihander to +5 (or +6) and later to Raw. Is it okay?

Later I went to pwn some snakes and accidentally one of 'em dropped Manserpent Sword

I went back to the blacksmith and upgraded it till +5 and I now can make it raw too, do I need that?

BTW can you explain the upgrade mechanics? What stands for "raw" etc? Oh, and how do I upgrade stronger than +5?

Never go raw. EVER. It fucks up the scaling of the weapon so it is never ever worth it(seriously. Even on a C scaling weapon the mere requirements to wield it will typically make the scaling better than base damage boost from raw). To make stuff +6 you have to ascend them. It's its own menu in the blacksmith, same place as rawness. But you need the large ember from the depths.

 

[StaticSpine]

Never go raw. EVER. It fucks up the scaling of the weapon so it is never ever worth it(seriously. Even on a C scaling weapon the mere requirements to wield it will typically make the scaling better than base damage boost from raw). To make stuff +6 you have to ascend them. It's its own menu in the blacksmith, same place as rawness. But you need the large ember from the depths.

yup, I got that ember.

BTW if I undo the upgrade from raw, do I get titanite back?

 

[LivingOne]

^no

 

[praetor]

yeah. raw is retarded because it lacks the last 5 levels (fortunately they fixed it in DaS2), so it's the only upgrade path with 10 instead of 15. what were they thinking? anyway, get that zwei to 10 (and the manserpent ) and when you get to the blacksmith in AL, make it lightning (it's a quality weapon, so your Str dude will probably get most out of it by making it elemental), the manserpent you want to keep physical.

oh, and only one of the 2 encounters with onionbro is requried, either in front of Sen's or inside. if you already talked to him in front, you're ok

 

[Invictus]

You never go raw, in sex or in the Souls series...unless you are a mage type who wants a reliable weapon and you are not interested in scaling because you only got enough for the minimum requirments

 

[Gozma]

Raw would theoretically be useful for a first time player (that doesn't know the secret powa uppa stuff yet) in the midgame if anyone had much trouble with the combat in Blighttown or Sens, but those are mostly quasi-platforming challenges anyway and the drake sword or +5 anything and then the lightning spear take care of all your early-mid damage needs.

 

[UndetectedButthurt]

So I unleashed my inner sperglord and got the platinum 100% trophy thing. Wtf is wrong with me......

 

[StaticSpine]

anyway, get that zwei to 10 (and the manserpent ) and when you get to the blacksmith in AL, make it lightning (it's a quality weapon, so your Str dude will probably get most out of it by making it elemental), the manserpent you want to keep physical.

oh, and only one of the 2 encounters with onionbro is requried, either in front of Sen's or inside. if you already talked to him in front, you're ok

Sounds like a plan, I'll make it this way. Oh, about zwei - do I undo the raw upgrade before making it a +10, or I upgrade the raw version to +10?

I've met onionbro while he was sleeping near the gates, so okay!

You never go raw, in sex...unless you are a mage

yeah, I got the point about raw

 

[praetor]

Sounds like a plan, I'll make it this way. Oh, about zwei - do I undo the raw upgrade before making it a +10, or I upgrade the raw version to +10?

undo the raw. make it +6 regular, then when you get to AL and find the blacksmith there, buy large titty shards and make it +10 then lightning. chunks you will be able to farm semi-reliably a bit later (pretty much as soon as you finish with AL), so don't be too careless (make the zwei +1 or +2 for now ) but don't worry too much (and the enemies who drop chunks can also drop slabs, although veeery rarely). btw, if you have 13 Dex it's really not a bad idea to craft Quelaag's Furysword (you'll need a +10 curved sword, like scimitar or falchion. best done when you're finished with AL so you can warp around), 'cause even at base stats with 10humanity it can deal some serious fire damage (but since you're a Str build, a +5 Chaos Garg Halberd or Great axe would likely be better, although that blacksmith is in a rather inconvenient location)

I've met onionbro while he was sleeping near the gates, so okay!

you exhausted his dialogue (he started repeating lines)? if yes, you're okay, if not... you know what to do next time

 

[Elwro]

If you're a Str build, I don't see why you'd make the Zwei imubed with lightning. How about going for "normal" +15 instead?

 

[praetor]

well, between the zwei, manserpent the gaxe and clubs, i think it's the best of the bunch to go lightning (IF he wants a lightning weapon, of course ). the manserpent at +15 with 40 Str will do marginally less damage will being faster than a +15 zwei, while the gaxe and clubs will just deal more damage. it's good even regular, but i think it's a good thing to have a hard hitting lightning weapon in your arsenal, and out of all of those the zwei seems like the best candidate. but if he enjoys the moveset the best, than maybe it's worth considering going +15, yeah

 

[Hobo Elf]

There are some instances where I'd go Raw, especially in DaS2. Some weapons are pretty good if you enchant them as Raw because they normally have shit stat scaling so you aren't losing anything anyway.

 

[praetor]

DaS2 raw is good because it doesn't lack levels. DaS1 is shit because it can't go the last 5 levels that every other upgrade path can. it would've been a very good path (maybe too good for casters with buffs?) had they not fucked it up so badly