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Vaarna_Aarne

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It takes ~thirty minutes to clear Dragon Aerie to the extent needed to upgrade three different weapons to maximum and an assload of souls, at SL7+ ascetic tier. It takes up to hours to achieve the same in DaS1. Boring it may be like all farming, but Aerie is REALLY efficient.

(Drakes' hitboxes nothin', the worst part about them is their goddamn wings obscuring the camera whenever they walk, and the way they push you around when they walk seemingly forever; at least they can be killed pretty quickly with a proper weapon tho provided it doesn't feel like taking a stroll)

absolute, 100% horseshit.

a) to upgrade 3 twinklie or boner weapons you need 45!! upgrade materials, aerie gives 6-8 per run (depending on the RNG on the shitty dragons), and after a couple of ascetics the dragons have well over 10k HP, meaning unless you have the highest tier sorceries (pre-nerf geyser, maybe CSS?) or hexes (or miracles? how does sunlight spear work), it takes forever to kill them and they constantly slide around, and the hitbox on their foot stomp is absolute bullshit (once it will kill you straight away, another it won't even scratch, a third time it will take 75% of your health even when standing 5m away. and btw, with 40 dex and a manslayer, poisoning them ~4 times and hitting them all the time, it goes through the durability at least), plus you'll surely run through all the way at the very least twice, if you're very lucky, to get all the 11 crystal lizards 'cause after a while they can't be one shot even by forbidden sun (maybe GRS?), and some of them will randomly run in random directions, plus they have some semi-random i-frames on their wake-up. so, all things considered, you're looking at something like 10-30mins per run, depending on build and luck! so you're looking for at least 20min if you're lucky to upgrade 1 twinklie/boner weapon. the only thing "superior" to DaS1 here is that you get both twinklies and boners in a single run (and slabs), but then again it takes more materials to upgrade, there's way more useful boss-weapons in DaS2, boss-shields now are a must to upgrade (since now it increases stability), and the majority of good armours are also twinklie-upgraded. so yeah... there's of course also the giant lord farming for infinite twinklies, and you'll need quite a few ascetics so you'll also have to farm those

b) in DaS1, you can buy twinklies for 8k a piece, it takes only 10 for a full weapon upgrade, farming the phalanx yields 8-12k in less than a minute regardless of build. you do the math. chunks? also an average of 1/min if you farm at the Kiln, maybe more if you're lucky with the RNG at new londo (plus the chance of slabs). demon titties? there's very few weapons worth upgrading, so you'll be farming maybe once or twice max. dragon scales? only if you use MLGS, and then you'll find enough just playing. really, only slabs are shit to farm, and there's only 3 guaranteed per playthrough
I will clarify an oversight I did make by mistake, which is that I meant three different categories of weapons, meaning you'll be able to upgrade a Twinkie weapon, a Dragon Boner weapon, and a regular weapon. However...

10k hp is a non-issue when all you need is a +10 greatsword and skill to be able to deal 1.2k damage each stomp or bite. The hitbox on the dragon's attacks is also irrelevant because they are so slow and telegraph their attacks miles away so you can just walk out of the way 99% of the time. The crystal lizards is where the difficulties start, since you indeed need to one-shot all but one of them (the one off the cliff above the last dragon can be skipped), but this is a non-issue if one uses Great Resonant Soul, which with Faith/Int 24/24 and Black Witch Staff one-shots them 100% of the time, and it's easy to either herd a lizard to run into a corner or to snipe them outside their detection range. So what one is really looking for is solely a question of skill and having a build that's worthwhile to have a fast and 100% guaranteed success in multiple categories at once.
 

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oh yeah, you need so much skill to swing around once every once in a while the most damaging sword... soooo much skill to cast what is most likely the most damaging spell in the game. pressing R1 is so hard. dear god you're a patronizing shithead full of bullshit. i'm starting to think you "asperger's" is just an excuse for why you have no friends
 

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(If your 1st playthrough proceeds as fast as mine, you'll reach it about after about 10 hours of proceeding further into the depths beneath the Depths. And of these 10 hours at least 5 will be spent on thinking about killing yourself in frustration.)

But srsly, have you lit the bonfire in the Depths? It's not far from the surface...

Shit, did I say Depths? I meant Blight town. Somehow I loath the thought of having to go through those butchers once more. Eh, I guess I'm just moaning for the sake of moaning. Anyways, I'll check out some vids regarding this. Thanks to praetor too!
 
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No probs. I also meant Blighttown -- if you explore it properly, you may find a way to Firelink Shrine which doesn't go back through the Depths.
 
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oh yeah, you need so much skill to swing around once every once in a while the most damaging sword... soooo much skill to cast what is most likely the most damaging spell in the game. pressing R1 is so hard. dear god you're a patronizing shithead full of bullshit. i'm starting to think you "asperger's" is just an excuse for why you have no friends

:lol:

Dark Souls builds are serious business.
 

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oh yeah, you need so much skill to swing around once every once in a while the most damaging sword... soooo much skill to cast what is most likely the most damaging spell in the game. pressing R1 is so hard. dear god you're a patronizing shithead full of bullshit. i'm starting to think you "asperger's" is just an excuse for why you have no friends
If a simple and obvious solution is present, it's dishonest to pretend it isn't there. Not doing something efficiently in such a situation is down to a choice, and I didn't pretend it was particularly hard. So it might be better to just admit that you were doing things inefficiently, rather than bristle with butthurt and self-righteous indignation.
 

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Yeah all you have to do is get gud, seriously, just stop being bad it's simple
 

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oh yeah, you need so much skill to swing around once every once in a while the most damaging sword... soooo much skill to cast what is most likely the most damaging spell in the game. pressing R1 is so hard. dear god you're a patronizing shithead full of bullshit. i'm starting to think you "asperger's" is just an excuse for why you have no friends
:butthurt:
 

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BROS I CAME BACK TO THIS AND I AM FUCKING HAVING A BLAST WITH AWDE FAITH AND STRENGTHHG BUILD

ON NG PLAUS ANNOYED AS FUCK THAT I MISSED PRISCILLAS DAGGER IN TWO TRIES I HEARD ONE OF THE PYROMANCIAWS WAS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET IT
 
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use great combustion on ascended pyro flame +5 with power within/dusk crown/bellowing ring/red tearstone ring. you will cut her fluffy tail with one hit. than finish her with firestorm and post screen with her death on 4chan. fuck furfags
 

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I wonder if there was some Japanese culture thing that made them not get that the indictment system was never gonna be used because everyone would think, "If I indict this guy he is gonna think I am super butthurt so I won't, even though I should do it to encourage more PvP in the game." If you join the Darkmoon covenant on PC at this point 100% of your invasions are on poor first-gamer people wearing elite knight set wielding a +5 halberd that didn't know they got sin for switching from Way of White. I doubt the P2P connection system could do it but if like you got a little prize (e.g. chunks or something) for a Darkmoon killing someone you indicted it would work. Did they do something that's a tweak or replacement for that in DaS2?
 
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Sin in DkS2 is automatically gained on any successful Cracked Red Eye Orb invasion and builds up extremely quickly when players hit/kill NPCs. It also cannot be cleansed by the Pardoner NPC equivalent; only being killed by Blue Sentinels engaging in Cracked Blue Eye Orb invasions can lower sin, and even then only gradually.

Tangentially related, there are zero penalties to switching covenants in DkS2, which I see as a good thing.
 

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Sin in DkS2 is automatically gained on any successful Cracked Red Eye Orb invasion and builds up extremely quickly when players hit/kill NPCs. It also cannot be cleansed by the Pardoner NPC equivalent; only being killed by Blue Sentinels engaging in Cracked Blue Eye Orb invasions can lower sin, and even then only gradually.

there appears to be 2 types of sin, the cromwell-absolvable type of sin (gained only through killing NPCs?) and the invasion-sin, which is "absolvable" only by getting defeated by a blue... which would be OK if 1-9 of the latter would mean anything (blues only start invading at 10), so if you ever sinned you can forget about using the Lost Sinner sword (it's not a particularly good weapon, anyway... but still WTF)
 

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I decided to give Dark Souls a try, but I don't know if I'm going to stick with it. I'm okay with a game being difficult - but if it's this deadly, it needs to let me save anywhere. I'm tired of wasting all this time fighting my way to the gargoyles, only to die in a matter of seconds and have to do it all over again.
 

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I decided to give Dark Souls a try, but I don't know if I'm going to stick with it. I'm okay with a game being difficult - but if it's this deadly, it needs to let me save anywhere. I'm tired of wasting all this time fighting my way to the gargoyles, only to die in a matter of seconds and have to do it all over again.

The game is pretty nonlinear at that point so you can go do lots of other stuff if you're sick of that bit. You will also eventually be able to do that section like falling off a log once you get down the game systems (especially poise and shield management) and controls.
 

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I decided to give Dark Souls a try, but I don't know if I'm going to stick with it. I'm okay with a game being difficult - but if it's this deadly, it needs to let me save anywhere. I'm tired of wasting all this time fighting my way to the gargoyles, only to die in a matter of seconds and have to do it all over again.
You did find the bonfire by the blacksmith right?
 

DragoFireheart

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I decided to give Dark Souls a try, but I don't know if I'm going to stick with it. I'm okay with a game being difficult - but if it's this deadly, it needs to let me save anywhere. I'm tired of wasting all this time fighting my way to the gargoyles, only to die in a matter of seconds and have to do it all over again.

You CAN save anywhere.
 

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I decided to give Dark Souls a try, but I don't know if I'm going to stick with it. I'm okay with a game being difficult - but if it's this deadly, it needs to let me save anywhere. I'm tired of wasting all this time fighting my way to the gargoyles, only to die in a matter of seconds and have to do it all over again.

You CAN save anywhere.
Don't be like that man. He obviously means save and load everywhere. It's a complaint I can certainly understand, even if I don't really agree.
 

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I thought there was a way to have multiple save slots in the pc version..
Well, I guess you could make a copy of the savegame where your character is right outside the boss fog, and replace that after each attempt after quitting to main menu.
 

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DragoFireheart

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I thought there was a way to have multiple save slots in the pc version..
Well, I guess you could make a copy of the savegame where your character is right outside the boss fog, and replace that after each attempt after quitting to main menu.
Or just save state if you're going to do that.
Doesn't that require use of a trainer or something though?

PC Master race shouldn't need to ask such questions.
 

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