From Software The Dark Souls Discussion Thread

[abija]

It doesn't matter how comfortable or not the gamepad is, controlling the camera with the stick it's still imprecise as fuck. The character has instant turnspeed yet you drive a fucking buss on ice because mlook is too difficult to implement...
Bet they had it working right then someone realized the game is too easy and broke it on purpose...

 

[SerratedBiz]

Ulminati posted the picture of how I play when I want to move the camera and do other stuff (like sprint) at the same time. Really, if you're incapable of doing it, it's your fault.

Marsal , keep on posting them pictures man, you're sure showing me.

 

[J_C]

It doesn't matter how comfortable or not the gamepad is, controlling the camera with the stick it's still imprecise as fuck. The character has instant turnspeed yet you drive a fucking buss on ice because mlook is too difficult to implement...
Bet they had it working right then someone realized the game is too easy and broke it on purpose...

Yeah, I bet they broke it on purpose.

 

[Marsal]

Ulminati posted the picture of how I play when I want to move the camera and do other stuff (like sprint) at the same time. Really, if you're incapable of doing it, it's your fault.

Marsal , keep on posting them pictures man, you're sure showing me.

Chill, Captain Claw. I'm just messing with you. I don't give a shit if you have 8 and 3/4 fingers or 15. Consolefag is a consolefag. I don't discriminate.

 

[Ulminati]

Min problem with rotating my hand like that is that it makes it tricky to reach right trigger, which is usually mapped to an attack in most games. It's something you do on the fly if you're moving about and need to access another function.

But my xbox is still primarily a beat 'em up/MAME repository, so 90% of the time I'm playing on one of these instead of a pad:

 

[Average Manatee]

Bros, I have seen the way. I am in your debt, for it wouldn't be possible without your guidance.

The sad thing is this is totally correct, it would be best to hold the controller like this and actually utilize all fingers properly. Fucking pieces of crap.

 

[Marsal]

Min problem with rotating my hand like that is that it makes it tricky to reach right trigger, which is usually mapped to an attack in most games. It's something you do on the fly if you're moving about and need to access another function.

Just bend your index finger and press ABXY with the side of the tip, use middle and/or ring finger for the trigger. It's easily done, but it's also arthritis waiting to happen.

But my xbox is still primarily a beat 'em up/MAME repository, so 90% of the time I'm playing on one of these instead of a pad:

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[Fat Dragon]

The need to overload buttons is also really annoying. Use circle for running... but also roll and the (useless) dodge backwards move. Was fighting the Hydra with no chance of him killing me, but rolled into the water because fail.

Backwards dodge jump not so useless, if you press regular attack button immediately after the jump you'll execute a very fast dash attack (either a jump thrust or slash depending on weapon). Good for fast Dex-based fighters and especially spear wielders.

 

[Roguey]

I'm beginning to understand the hype and acclaim this game gets though. Earlier I was looking through the prism of a PC gamer rather than a consoletard and if you have Gears of War, Halo, Sonic and Devil May Cry as your game choices then of course DS looks like the second coming what with stats and shit just like a real ARPEEGEE!

...?

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[Black]

RPG Codex- Pad techniques and tips.

 

[felipepepe]

Also tried learning to parry since a tutorial text thing mentioned that but didn't manage to pull it off. I kinda assume it's only a two-handed mode thing, otherwise why parry when you can shield?

When you parry you are able to do a counter attack that hits for MASSIVE damage, even more than backstabbing. But timming the parry is a bitch, you have to do it in the right momment. Some weapons and shields are made for parrying, so they give your a bigger time windown to parry.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

The problem with the gamepad is not that it's an inherently inferior control scheme, but that you're not familiar enough with it to feel comfortable using it. Trust me, I would know.

Now, one might expect the cream of the crop "masters of ONE HUNDRED KEYS PLUS MOUSE BUTTONS" to be able to learn how to use a gamepad enough to actually play a game. But no, it might just be a fact that trying out something different is too hard when your brain is hardwired to stuff you already know - sort of like how console kiddies find oldschool games too archaic to be playable.

I'm also always amazed by te PC elitists, who complain about the gamepad being a dumb controller which is for consoleretards, yet they are not capable to use it. They just use it for a half an hour, fail, than bitch about it. God forbid to bear with it for a few more hours, to get used to it.

Doesn't matter. Gamepads are specifically made so even the most retarded CoD kid can instantly master them, how can someone admit to finding them difficult to use without a hint of shame is beyond me

 

[damicore]

So anybody fixed the xbox360ce problem where the buttons are all messed up in game?

 

[Damned Registrations]

Three things:

Camera controls: use the button that centers the camera ahead of you. This is where you want it 99% of the time. The other 1%, you can probably turn towards where you want the camera for a split second, center it there, then run the other way. I have no idea why someone would find it necessary to have the camera angle constantly moving around while sprinting in a straight line.

Difficulty: The game was initially harder before they dumbed it down with a patch, and made more souls and items drop in a lot of places, raised encumbrance limits, etc. The game is also significantly harder if you play it offline in undead form. (No spoiler messages and no party members.)

For those wanting to packrat stuff for fear of wasting shit: Don't packrat humanity, upgrade the bonfires and keep yourself alive (makes the game more interesting, and generally easier/quicker. If it's too easy go explore somewhere dangerous for shits and giggles until you feel butthurt). Give firekeeper souls to firekeepers. Currency souls (Soul of a Warrior/Knight/Hobo) can be used whenever you want to spend the souls. They do nothing special except store souls in case you die and lose yours but need to spend some. Hoard unique souls for weapon upgrades later on.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Also tried learning to parry since a tutorial text thing mentioned that but didn't manage to pull it off. I kinda assume it's only a two-handed mode thing, otherwise why parry when you can shield?

When you parry you are able to do a counter attack that hits for MASSIVE damage, even more than backstabbing. But timming the parry is a bitch, you have to do it in the right momment. Some weapons and shields are made for parrying, so they give your a bigger time windown to parry.

Yeah, I eventually learned that you seemingly can't parry with a weapon in two-handed mode, at least the broadsword. Parrying with the shield (What the hell, parrying with a shield. You block with a shield you don't parry with it I won't stand for this!) is pretty satisfying though.

Explored some more. Got some sword and shield from a big undead dragon and bumped my faith up enough to use the sword, can one shot most skeletons in Undead Burg, where I'm now exploring. Eventually lost 5k souls when fighting some dark knight, and then on the return trip to my corpse the enemy-lock locked a skeleton way the fuck away on a roof instead of on the skeleton right in front of me, which moved my camera angle, which made me drive off the side of a cliff before I could react. Was pretty pissed about that since that was a camera fuck up death and not a normal game death.
Trying to decide where I want to focus my efforts now, taurus demon, that black knight, or some knight dude that's using a giant dildo as a weapon. Or alternatively leave Undead Burg and go explore some other place. Liking Undead Burg though, interesting layout. Lots of little side areas and a few hidden areas I've found.

Despite being a shitty console port I'm leaning toward spending cash money dollars on the game after playing an hour or so. It's pretty interesting.

 

[Stabwound]

So anybody fixed the xbox360ce problem where the buttons are all messed up in game?

I haven't yet, but I haven't had a chance to try. In an hour or two I'm going to try to fix it, but I really am not sure how. Did you try playing the game without x360ce and did it still detect the controller?

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

First attempt on taurus demon (First encounter was me seeing him and trying to run back inside only to find HEY THE MIST IS BACK AND YOU CAN'T PASS THROUGH IT NOW EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD BEFORE LOL VIDEOGAME)

Onward to more adventure I guess!

 

[Dexter]

You're 100% right, bro. It's interesting how we can master 100+ keys plus 5+ mouse buttons, though, isn't it? It's almost like it's superior to the 12 button 2 stick you mouthbreeders use.

In the case of Dark Souls, it's a matter of principle. I don't want to have to "learn" an inferior control scheme to play the game. It's not that I can't. I won't. It sets a bad precedent.

Lazy ports are to be mercilessly bashed. The developers didn't even have the decency to make the game playable with the standard PC controls, let alone implement some graphic and UI options and you have the gall to mock the players? Am I holding it wrong? Should I equip the ring? You stupid, blind, dirty console peasant. Apologists and nuthuggers like you are doing every true PC gamer a disservice.

Fixing the camera movement and letting us bind the keys makes K >> gamepad in Dark Souls. It's a different situation in PES or NBA 2k. Using a gamepad makes sense in those games.
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It's weird, back in the day PC gamers respected the modularity of their device and had all sorts of control options for their different games...

There was this kind of thing for flight simulators and games like Descent & shit, even switching between the two Input methods in games like Battlefield:

There was this kind of thing for driving games and the likes:

And there were even gamepads before this "analogue stick" stuff became a thing for certain games and they used P/S2 Connectors.

And of course there was always the glorious Keyboardouse for RTS, FPS, RPGs and so on.

We used to laugh at the dirty console peasants for only being able to use this thing for all their games and having no options:

Nowadays a certain part of the master race seems to always complain whenever something is not best played with Keyboardouse.

 

[damicore]

So anybody fixed the xbox360ce problem where the buttons are all messed up in game?

I haven't yet, but I haven't had a chance to try. In an hour or two I'm going to try to fix it, but I really am not sure how. Did you try playing the game without x360ce and did it still detect the controller?

Yup, doesn't recognize it at all unless it's through x360ce.

 

[Average Manatee]

Camera controls: use the button that centers the camera ahead of you. This is where you want it 99% of the time. The other 1%, you can probably turn towards where you want the camera for a split second, center it there, then run the other way. I have no idea why someone would find it necessary to have the camera angle constantly moving around while sprinting in a straight line.

To see what the enemy sprinting after you is doing, maybe? In an FPS I'll roll my direction of movement along with my mouselook so I can watch my sides and back while running through areas. Seems silly that you can't effectively look anywhere but straight forward.

Difficulty: The game was initially harder before they dumbed it down with a patch, and made more souls and items drop in a lot of places, raised encumbrance limits, etc. The game is also significantly harder if you play it offline in undead form. (No spoiler messages and no party members.)

Wait what? Whats being in undead do to make it harder? Only cursed lowers HP like in Demons Souls.

Hardest would be online + human so you have to deal with the various ways other people can mess with your game.

 

[Stabwound]

So anybody fixed the xbox360ce problem where the buttons are all messed up in game?

I haven't yet, but I haven't had a chance to try. In an hour or two I'm going to try to fix it, but I really am not sure how. Did you try playing the game without x360ce and did it still detect the controller?

Yup, doesn't recognize it at all unless it's through x360ce.

I solved it.

in x360ce, go to "Options" and set "Hook Mode" to "Normal" - the controls seem to be working perfectly now, as far as I can tell.

 

[Dexter]

It's fucking amazing how detailed some of the texture work is and then they ruin it with blurring it over as if there was no tomorrow
http://imgc.rauch.co.uk/956
http://imgc.rauch.co.uk/957

 

[damicore]

So anybody fixed the xbox360ce problem where the buttons are all messed up in game?

I haven't yet, but I haven't had a chance to try. In an hour or two I'm going to try to fix it, but I really am not sure how. Did you try playing the game without x360ce and did it still detect the controller?

Yup, doesn't recognize it at all unless it's through x360ce.

I solved it.

in x360ce, go to "Options" and set "Hook Mode" to "Normal" - the controls seem to be working perfectly now, as far as I can tell.

I will check this out once I get to my popamole PC.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Being undead means you have no allies, which makes the boss fights in particular much more difficult. You also get extra defense and droprate while alive.

 

[abija]

Nowadays a certain part of the master race seems to always complain whenever something is not best played with Keyboardouse.

You talk about being able to use the best possible option for the type of game. This is about that best option being broken. It's exactly like a shooter disabling mouse and making you keyboard turn.

Yeah, I bet they broke it on purpose.

Considering how easy and straightforward is to implement and what abomination they came up with it sure does look like it.