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The Legend of Heroes Thread - Trails of Cold Steel in the Sky

Discussion in 'jRPG Weeaboo Discussion' started by Crooked Bee, Feb 16, 2014.

  1. Ysaye Savant

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    Yep I saw that about the crafts being turn based only - if real time is for trash mobs that is probably better design - what someone was saying was that the trash mobs are pretty tanky so it will be faster to just enter turn based and use crafts if you want to finish them off.

    Although I note that I don't think I have seen any enemies actually get a hit on a single player character yet? Well apart from spoiler enemy character at the end of the video, and that seems like it is in turn based mode.
     
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  2. Sarathiour Learned

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    Seems indeed like placeholder, they might even have purposefully beefed up trash hp in order to show character's whole combo.
     
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  3. Rean Not that Rean

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    :desu: Long haired Fie
     
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  4. Shadenuat Arcane

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    but muh TB
     
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  5. Grampy_Bone Arcane

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    Yay, finished Cold Steel 1. Whole game of filler and setup but the ending was entertaining. Kinda ballsy to end your story on the act 1 inciting incident, I'd be pissed if I had to wait another year to keep going. Then again it's also *hilariously* optimistic to think I'd play through the first game what, 8 times? just to see every dancing scene or whatever.

    -Impressed that they start you off at level 40 in the next game, figured you'd de-level between games.

    -Did not realize there was
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    in this series, that's like an automatic 2 bonus points right there, very pleasant surprise.

    -Since the point of the game is to set up all the characters, I'd almost expect to play the alternate parties in each chapter, but that would make the game even longer and more boring. I'd say about half of Class 7 grew on me by the end.

    -Game wasn't hard except when a boss would randomly use an S-craft and wipe the party. ??? Not really sure how you're supposed to plan around that but the system is hilariously unbalanced. I usually just blitzed them with my own S-crafts before they could use theirs. Some bosses could be delayed forever and never get a turn.

    -Using In Media Res was a bad move. While it was nice that it gives you a taste of the battles early on it spoils too much and ruins much of the tension. They even tell you the exact day the fortress is getting attacked in the opening so there's no suspense whatsoever. To top it off it was followed by the much less dramatic mine attack event. Seems like chapters 5 and 6 should be reversed.

    -I guessed
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    was the bad guy by chapter 4 and confirmed it in chapter 6. I remember thinking "this character is totally worthless in the story so they have to be the villain just to conserve drama."

    -What is the obsession with Towa? She's so bland and average. Otaku nerds like women who seem like they might be attainable IRL? Spoilers, they're all unattainable when you never leave the house.

    -I didn't get why the Orbment setup was so convoluted until I remembered the system had more depth to it in TitS. Offensive spells didn't really seem useful and were mostly too costly to use regularly so I barely touched them except for Emma. If a spell blows 50% of my mana in one shot it should do more than a regular craft hit on a boss.

    -Just assume every maid in an anime is a ninja. Confirmed.

    -The villains were p. dumb. You foil their entire plan and they are like, "nah we wanted you to stop us, blow up all our stuff, kill half our guys, and give us all a severe beating." Um, okay? If your plan is to get beaten up by highschoolers that is a shitty plan. In the end I struggle to see what they even accomplished. I suppose you could say their attacks provoked the final confrontation but they even point out that the government covered it all up. Basically it didn't seem like the final events of the story *needed* the terrorists' attacks to go forward (except the one event the player isn't conveniently around to thwart) and they were only there to give the player an excuse to interact with the villains. Just bad plotting.

    -The whole "Beat the boss in battle but then in the cutscene afterwards they reveal they were holding back/had some escape plan" is gay as fuck, but I'm sure the series won't beat that trope into ground going forward right?
     
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  6. Sarathiour Learned

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    Adamantite Shield, emergency puppet and angel MQ in CS1. Though even in nightmare, they should only manage to OS only the most squishier characters. Also they all have a "tell" tied to an hp threshold before doing it, at least in the first game.

    I don't get it either, even if had to do something like a waifu rating or whatever weeabo thing, she would be close to the bottom.

    It's because pandora is a shit MQ. Level 5 MQ + bell utterly broke the game, with enough speed you can chain cast low-level art for 1 delay. Alisa and Jusis got more speed than emma and can reach this point earlier on.
     
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  7. Kaivokz Arcane

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    There are lots of broken strategies in cold steel 1 (infinite turns with Machias, the quartz that makes items aoe, level 1 arts with cast speed), but if you use the master quartz that returns a % of damage dealt as EP and stack speed/m.atk on Emma, she can basically one shot every trash encounter in the game before they move and get a full EP refund. That only gets more broken in 2.

    I don’t really enjoy fighting trash so I mostly face-rolled the first two games that way.
     
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  8. Sarathiour Learned

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    Domination + emblem is probably the fastest way.

    I left out the holy trinity of cheese, which is chrono burst, delay stacking and zeram spam. They is generally one more broken strat per game : double bell in CS1, damage stacking in CS2 and break stacking in CS3.
     
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  9. Ysaye Savant

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    That trope gives way in CS2 (although there is one notable super-spoiler exception, but by this point you know what is going to happen); it is more that there are battles in which you have to hold out for a period before you are totally wiped by the enemy that really is just much stronger than the characters.

    CS3 has points in which you need to get a more powerful enemy down a certain point to rather than beat, enemies do at times literally teleport away from situations after being badly beaten but claiming it was all part of the plan and also certain enemies which still totally overwhelm you at a point as well, but it also adds into the mix that Rean is also massively holding back nearly all game (for good plot reasons), and his old allies now have tricks up their sleeves resulting in the infamous "That won't be necessary!" repeated trope for most of the game until....

    CS4 is more initially get them down to a point as well and then finally beating them into the ground at the end of the ground (apart from one character who is canonically really strong because of spoiler reasons).
     
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  10. Rean Not that Rean

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    After significant rumination and letting my thoughts on the game settle, I have to say that story-wise CS4 was not as grand as CS3 was (aside from the cliffhanger true ending) and it would even classify as a letdown.
    Gameplay-wise, it was an obvious improvement, if only for the fact that you can play a massive cast of characters and use everything at will.
     
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  11. Jinn Arcane

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    I don't know how you can look at moments in Cold Steel IV like

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    Infiltration, rescue of Rean, and escape from the Black Workshop


    and

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    The meeting of Heroes on the Pantegruel, meeting of Mille Mirage.


    as well as

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    The joint infiltrations of the Salt Spires.


    and say that Cold Steel III was more grand story-wise. Those are some all-time great moments in the entire series. There's several more pivotal reveals and plot points that put it miles above III in terms of grandiosity, and mark it as a massive turning point plot-wise in the whole Trails series.

    I'd agree that the finale of III absolutely trumps IV's, and is probably the best finale in the series. But that would probably be the only plot points where III comes out ahead for me. This isn't to say I didn't enjoy the plot of III, or it's function as an introduction to some important new characters and events. It's just that IV is absolutely more grand in the literal meaning of the word.
     
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  12. Rean Not that Rean

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    It all goes back to what I was saying when I first started playing it, and that is the opposing forces' weak motives and lack of desire to fully commit to their beliefs. In 3, a lot of characters remained highly enigmatic and their impetuses mysterious, that made everything exciting.
    The moments you outline are cool from a visual/scale perspective, sure, but that's unrelated to what I'm talking about.

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    The way that Osborne at the end pretty much says to Rean 'I did all this for you to stop me and I'm so proud of you' is the culmination of every villain in the game.


    The end result of this character writing is not even morally gray (which appears is what the writers were going for in the end).
     
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  13. Jinn Arcane

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    I certainly get what you're saying, but the way those characters behaved in the end - particularly who you mention in the spoiler - made for a very interesting perspective on all the characters in question, and for some uniquely presented motivations all around.

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    Osborne in particular, being willful and intelligent enough to recognize the fate before him, yet still manage to manipulate a fucking 1000 year old curse is what I call interesting. And that we can have that intermingling of emotions not only for him, but all the other characters who felt the need to go along with his plans for whatever reason they deemed necessary is pretty good storytelling, in my opinion.


    Obviously it's going to hit everyone different, but we've been seeing mysterious motivations for characters throughout the entire series. It was nice seeing this one come to a logical conclusion that caused one to look back and re-examine years of behavior that these characters exhibited in a different light.

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    Particularly when it caused me to recall the conversation between Olivier and Osborne that takes place in Sky 3rd and start reconsidering things all the way back to that point.


    And it does make for a lot of grey morality in retrospect, particularly for those characters kind of orbiting the truth of the matter.
     
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  14. Cat Dude Learned

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    Rean is probably the most typical animu main character in the series. In anime and weeb games the most interesting and bad ass one are always the sidekicks.
     
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  15. Maxie Guest

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    this statement is almost correct, except there are no interesting sidekicks in cold steel
     
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  16. Jinn Arcane

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    A statement from someone who has clearly not played the games in question. We get it, you don't like the direction taken with Cold Steel.

    EDIT: Calling out normie too. What you got to say about it?

    DOUBLE EDIT: Jermu, get in here too.
     
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  17. j2alg Literate

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    I like Tita, I can forgive her horrible HP because she has nice skills and is cute
     
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  18. normie Arcane Patron Zionist Agent

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    I have not played the games in question, CS1 some but not in its entirety

    I'm just powering maxie up
     
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  19. The Jester Cipher

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    -Trails in the Sky FC ending:
    Here's the super assassin/spy guy with an interesting past and a connection to the secret organization that controlled all the events of the game from shadows.
    He'll no longer run away from his past, he'll face it head on!
    Sounds epic right?

    Trails in the Sky SC:
    -You play as cheerful optimistic girl #61737

    :nocountryforshitposters:
     
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  20. Ventidius Savant

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    I had been replaying some of the Cold Steel games lately and one thing that really stands out when you are taking things easier is just how good the music is in this series:









    Of course, this is something that has been mentioned quite a few times. Worth emphasizing nonetheless.
     
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  21. Endemic Arcane

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    what is it how good it is and I see 2d portraits that good sign
     
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  23. Endemic Arcane

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    An action-RPG with the Trails name slapped on it for anniversary reasons, pretty much.
     
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  24. Ysaye Savant

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    As far as we know atm....anyone who has played the end of CS4 will know there seems to be more than a fair share of hints that link this game and some of it's lore with the main series.
     
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  25. Jinn Arcane

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    I'm surprised someone else picked up on this. I know next to nothing about Nayuta, but having looked at some of the screenshots - and more importantly some of the artwork - I started to draw some tenuous connections. Glad I'm not the only one who sees the possibility there.

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    Is this another plane of existence that the Grandmaster had existed in? And if my theory that the Grandmaster is indeed Aidios is correct, is this where she became a "god" before taking residency in Zemuria? Very interesting.
     
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