Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[SionIV]

Experience and loot really isn't an issue no matter what party class/race composition you choose - in typical RPG fashion, you'll soon be drowning in cash, loot and levels :D

I know, I just happen to enjoy completing a game to 110%. It would frustrate me to no end if there was an entire area that I couldn't enter because I picked the wrong class/race.

Stuff like : "I'd recommend taking one of each race for the first game just for the sake of story completion." confuses me.

 

[Dorateen]

I didn't have any orcs in the party, and there was an island or area near the end of the peninsula, I believe, that was off limits. There's also the mercenary quest, Temple of the Winds? That is closed to a party without any mercenaries.

Interesting to hear about dwarven location. I did not play a Runepriest, but a Defender, so that's why we were allowed access. One of the best moments of the game for me.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[octavius]

There's no protection from mana drain. Suck it down.
IIRC, only some kreegan dudes and grand druids use it, so just prioritise them as targets if you value your mana.

I think I'll experiment with Feeblemind and see how that works.

Everyone returned Mordred to the quest giver - he gives you the promised reward and dagger back because he decides he doesn't want it after all. SPOILER, I guess.

Not only the dagger returned, but also a whopping 30,000 gold. Damned, I hate it when a game "forces" you to play Lawful Good. Fortunately it's not as prevalent as in Baldur's Gate, though.

 

[Maggot]

Not only the dagger returned, but also a whopping 30,000 gold. Damned, I hate it when a game "forces" you to play Lawful Good. Fortunately it's not as prevalent as in Baldur's Gate, though.

Later on in the main quest there will be a decision that will give you a big negative rep penalty but it's pretty obvious.

 

[mmap]

I'm sorry to say but I really don't enjoy puzzles in Isles of Terra. Is Xeen less heavy on puzzles?

 

[mmap]

I'm sorry to say but I really don't enjoy puzzles in Isles of Terra. Is Xeen less heavy on puzzles?

To clarify; I find MM3 exceptionally fun game, it's only the puzzles that bother me. If Xeen is like Terra, just with fewer puzzles, that would've been an ideal game for me...

Many of the puzzles don't even make any sense. E.g., "what is too much for one, enough for two and nothing for three?" The answer is (is it even a "spoiler"?)

Spoiler

SECRET

which seems really wrong. Also, the math puzzle in Arachnoid cavern ("two primes less" - huh?), protection code in Cathedral of Carnage, etc. And that's just the beginning part of the game...

I noticed that the site "mm4_5 shrine" has a lot fewer solutions to puzzles (than "mm3 shrine"), is it an indication that there are not so many of them?

 

[SausageInYourFace]

I can't comment on the quantity but I recall that I had much less trouble with puzzles in WoX than in M&M3. Could solve them pretty much own my own I think, whereas I had to consult a walkthrough for many in M&M3. So if the puzzles bother you so much its certainly worth it to try WoX.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

I'm sorry to say but I really don't enjoy puzzles in Isles of Terra. Is Xeen less heavy on puzzles?

To clarify; I find MM3 exceptionally fun game, it's only the puzzles that bother me. If Xeen is like Terra, just with fewer puzzles, that would've been an ideal game for me...

Many of the puzzles don't even make any sense. E.g., "what is too much for one, enough for two and nothing for three?" The answer is (is it even a "spoiler"?)

Spoiler

SECRET

which seems really wrong. Also, the math puzzle in Arachnoid cavern ("two primes less" - huh?), protection code in Cathedral of Carnage, etc. And that's just the beginning part of the game...

I noticed that the site "mm4_5 shrine" has a lot fewer solutions to puzzles (than "mm3 shrine"), is it an indication that there are not so many of them?

There are fewer puzzles and riddles in the Xeen games. That said, there's a whole dungeon in there that's a crossword puzzle, so be warned.

But in all honesty, if you can't grasp the logic behind the "secret" riddle, then you're going to have trouble going forward in Xeen. In particular you should stay away from Swords of Xeen.

 

[mmap]

I can't comment on the quantity but I recall that I had much less trouble with puzzles in WoX than in M&M3. Could solve them pretty much own my own I think, whereas I had to consult a walkthrough for many in M&M3. So if the puzzles bother you so much its certainly worth it to try WoX.

That's good to hear.

There are fewer puzzles and riddles in the Xeen games. That said, there's a whole dungeon in there that's a crossword puzzle, so be warned.

Isn't the crossword from unified content? (World of Xeen) I'm thinking about skipping Clouds and just playing Darkside.

But in all honesty, if you can't grasp the logic behind the "secret" riddle, then you're going to have trouble going forward in Xeen.

That logic just seems wrong to me. In some cultures there is a saying to the effect that "a secret known to more than one is not a real secret." In my (real life) experience, that's correct; so I would've never solved that riddle on my own.
Anyway, I'm fine with checking a walkthrough once in a while, just not too often.

In particular you should stay away from Swords of Xeen.

I'll keep that in mind.

 

[SionIV]

I really enjoy Might and Magic 10 and would rate it in my top 3 Might and Magic games (MM6,MM7,MM10).

But god knows that the DLC for Might and Magic 10 is the worst DLC ever made, in any game genre or series. It's so frustratingly annoying that I'm forcing myself to complete it.

 

[Dorateen]

But god knows that the DLC for Might and Magic 10 is the worst DLC ever made, in any game genre or series.

The inventory strip is frustrating, but it can be very satisfying when you get your stuff back.

 

[SionIV]

But god knows that the DLC for Might and Magic 10 is the worst DLC ever made, in any game genre or series.

The inventory strip is frustrating, but it can be very satisfying when you get your stuff back.

I can't think of a single positive thing to say about that experience. It's very tedious, it's incredible slow, they never bothered to play through their own DLC as they would have noticed that it's actually impossible to complete it with most might heavy teams. You need spell casters to heal in the prison, you need them to deal damage as the guards have a shit ton of armor and you'll deal no damage with the gear you pick up there, if you can't protect against the sleep condition, you won't be able to kill the Inquisitor as he'll constantly heal himself and spam sleep at the same time.

I min/maxed my team and went in at level 36. I still ended up having my melee defend and the MVP on my team was my Earth Mage who soloed most fights with Poison Cloud, Earth Armor and Regenerate.

 

[Eggs is eggs]

I played a bit of MMX. I feel like they captured a lot of the feel of MM 3-5 but the combat was way too slow, difficult and complex. Combat in previous games was mostly just spamming attack and some spells and then eventually becoming gods by the end of the game so you could mow through hundreds of monsters. But in MMX you really need to min-max your stats and skills, plan your battles, use specific buffs and debuffs, etc. I guess that's the state of gaming in 2017 (or whenever it was released) but I liked that in the older MM games combat was something that you didn't have to think too much about and could focus on the exploration and discovery aspects more and didn't have to worry about getting that 60% buff to magic to sync up with that 30% debuff skill on the enemy and blah blah blah.

 

[SionIV]

I played a bit of MMX. I feel like they captured a lot of the feel of MM 3-5 but the combat was way too slow, difficult and complex. Combat in previous games was mostly just spamming attack and some spells and then eventually becoming gods by the end of the game so you could mow through hundreds of monsters. But in MMX you really need to min-max your stats and skills, plan your battles, use specific buffs and debuffs, etc. I guess that's the state of gaming in 2017 (or whenever it was released) but I liked that in the older MM games combat was something that you didn't have to think too much about and could focus on the exploration and discovery aspects more and didn't have to worry about getting that 60% buff to magic to sync up with that 30% debuff skill on the enemy and blah blah blah.

There are so many contradicting things in this post, I don't even know where to start.

 

[Haplo]

I played a bit of MMX. I feel like they captured a lot of the feel of MM 3-5 but the combat was way too slow, difficult and complex. Combat in previous games was mostly just spamming attack and some spells and then eventually becoming gods by the end of the game so you could mow through hundreds of monsters. But in MMX you really need to min-max your stats and skills, plan your battles, use specific buffs and debuffs, etc. I guess that's the state of gaming in 2017 (or whenever it was released) but I liked that in the older MM games combat was something that you didn't have to think too much about and could focus on the exploration and discovery aspects more and didn't have to worry about getting that 60% buff to magic to sync up with that 30% debuff skill on the enemy and blah blah blah.

That's a huge part of the reason why I think MMX is the best MM after No. 5.

 

[octavius]

Castle Darkmoor

 

[Darth Roxor]

Ah, the Castle Darkmoor moment. A classic.

 

[catfood]

Castle Darkmoor was awesome. But Tomb of VARN was the most awesomest.

 

[Wayward Son]

So, is the consensus that 10 is good?

 

[octavius]

After Castle Darkmoor it's on to Alamos. I seem to recall that was another dungeon full of .

 

[Snorkack]

So, is the consensus that 10 is good?

I didn't particularly like it, but it is definitely worth a try. Would have liked it more if it wasnt labelled 'Might&Magic'. Overall consensus seems to be similar. Lady Error will probably tell you otherwise tho.

 

[Mychkine]

So, is the consensus that 10 is good?

Game is a good dungeon crawler despite bad engine, horrid optimization and HP bloat on ennemies. I really didn't feel like playing updated version of M&M3-5, though.

 

[Wayward Son]

Kthx

 

[Darth Roxor]

MMX is terrible, avoid like the plague.