Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[Storyfag]

Plus, I never miss a chance to complain about how we should have gotten the forge for HoMM 3 and stupid whiny faggots ruined that for all true and honest M&M fans, forcing them to change it to conflux at the last minute.

Not to worry, the HotA team will make it better.

 

[Desiderius]

There is an unofficial patch to MM9 from the TELP Tavern forums. A Google search should help you find it.

I think GoG version includes it. In any case played fine. Barebones of a good game there.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

As something of a storyfag for this series, it bothers me that we'll never see any kind of conclusion to all the little arcs and by-plays going on between the CPRGs and the strategy games.

We kind of did. Basically everyone plot important died in the end of the world at the beginning of HoMM4. Probably doesn't help your bitterness about it though.

 

[fantadomat]

As something of a storyfag for this series, it bothers me that we'll never see any kind of conclusion to all the little arcs and by-plays going on between the CPRGs and the strategy games.

We kind of did. Basically everyone plot important died in the end of the world at the beginning of HoMM4. Probably doesn't help your bitterness about it though.

Yeah heroes 4 and mm9 are pretty much retarded from story side. Is it known why they decided to do this retardation? Story/world rights ?

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

Yeah heroes 4 and mm9 are pretty much retarded from story side. Is it known why they decided to do this retardation? Story/world rights ?

Just a theory, but they could have done it as a reaction to the harsh distaste the Heroes audience had towards the science fiction elements. Whether that's because they decided the audience deserved it or if they just want to give themselves an out on the sci-fi part, would be the real question about that theory. If it was story rights, I would suspect that would be caused by the management at 3DO getting pissy at Jon Van Caneghem or vice-versa, everyone else would have presumably signed their rights away when starting work at NWC.

 

[fantadomat]

Yeah heroes 4 and mm9 are pretty much retarded from story side. Is it known why they decided to do this retardation? Story/world rights ?

Just a theory, but they could have done it as a reaction to the harsh distaste the Heroes audience had towards the science fiction elements. Whether that's because they decided the audience deserved it or if they just want to give themselves an out on the sci-fi part, would be the real question about that theory. If it was story rights, I would suspect that would be caused by the management at 3DO getting pissy at Jon Van Caneghem or vice-versa, everyone else would have presumably signed their rights away when starting work at NWC.

Did people really disliked the sci-fi things? I mean,they were pretty low key in the games,you notice them during the final few hours if you didn't knew it beforehand. Now wizardry have really bad sci-fi elements and it feels retarded for sure. While the heroes games didn't even had sci-fi elements,only MM games. On top of that the whole blwoing up the earth and going to a new planet didn't get rid of the sci-fi elements,only the fantasy ones. Since the lore is about interstellar empire that had portals everywhere. Thus it didn't mattered on which planet they plopped them up,the sci-fi shit was still valid part of the lore. It must have been some JVC drama.

 

[Tweed]

We kind of did. Basically everyone plot important died in the end of the world at the beginning of HoMM4. Probably doesn't help your bitterness about it though.

And for that I can NEVER forgive NWC, fuck that shit. There was also the cliffhanger at the end of M&M 7, if you follow the light side. Keeping in mind that the evil ending was supposed to be canon which would have segued into the forge expansion for HoMM 3 until the non crpg fans flipped their shit and ruined it.

Did people really disliked the sci-fi things? I mean,they were pretty low key in the games,you notice them during the final few hours if you didn't knew it beforehand. Now wizardry have really bad sci-fi elements and it feels retarded for sure. While the heroes games didn't even had sci-fi elements,only MM games. On top of that the whole blwoing up the earth and going to a new planet didn't get rid of the sci-fi elements,only the fantasy ones. Since the lore is about interstellar empire that had portals everywhere. Thus it didn't mattered on which planet they plopped them up,the sci-fi shit was still valid part of the lore. It must have been some JVC drama.

I thought I read that there were a lot of Heroes fans that never played the crpgs so when the sci-fi elements cropped up they had a fit so they shitcanned the forge and redid the expansion. As a fan of both I was so looking forward to the introduction of the sci-fi elements. I guess that's what happens when you interweave genres in your story telling. I mean M&M is one gigantic bundle of fedex quests, but I'd been playing since Isles of Terra and I cared about that arcing story damnit!

 

[Kliwer]

In my opinion, alternating the plot - through cRPG and strategic games - was a brilliant move. It was amazing that the same (or similar) lands could be viewed: once from a bird's eye view (as a general), another time from a first person view (as an adventurer).

It is a pity that the two fanbases turned out to be completely separate. And it is a pity that these "strategy lovers" were listened to. This was, in my opinion, a mistake. The story and the lore count for cRPG players. Dedicated strategy players can move dragons on the map as well as potatoes.

 

[Darth Canoli]

By the way, does anyone know what happened to the HoMM 3 mod which was adding a new mechanical faction?
Or was it HoMM 2?

 

[fantadomat]

Heroes is better without mechanical shit lol. The sci-fi was never the focus of the games,it was more of a side thing that you come by once in a while. They could have kept the original world and just kept the scifi elements to the mm games.

 

[Invictus]

Just rerolled a new party for Might and Magic 3 and using the GOG version but the screen mouse seem a bit sluggish; I adjusted the gamespeed cycles and it runs good and looks fine and in menus the mouse is great but in the main menu and gameworld is feels really wonky... any suggestions?

 

[octavius]

Turn off mouse acceleration.

 

[Invictus]

Turn off mouse acceleration.

Always off on my PC options... is there an option in DosBox too?

 

[Darth Canoli]

Just rerolled a new party for Might and Magic 3 and using the GOG version but the screen mouse seem a bit sluggish; I adjusted the gamespeed cycles and it runs good and looks fine and in menus the mouse is great but in the main menu and gameworld is feels really wonky... any suggestions?

Download dosbox-x, when installing you can chose to direct the game to your dosbox installation, direct it to dosbox x instead (you have to rename the exe to dosbox ).

 

[Eisen]

Sci-Fi elements in MM3,4 and 5 are cool

 

[Broseph]

Sci-Fi elements in MM3,4 and 5 are cool

They're cool in 6 too!

I'm returning to MM6 after not doing a serious playthrough since the first time I finished it 7 or 8 years ago. Man, what a glorious game. Nice to see it still has the plurality vote for best M&M game.

 

[Snorkack]

6 is the best, but II will always have the most special place in my heart since it was my very first crpg.

There's a big thread about this already tho: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-might-and-magic-discussion-thread.42757/

 

[Sergiu64]

I kinda like VII the best. VI is quite good though as well.

 

[catfood]

A toss between WOX and 6.

 

[JarlFrank]

Xeen.

 

[octavius]

Xeen.

I'm starting to wonder if the love for Xeen (which I don't share) is a Codex thing. It certainly doesn't get much love on CRPG Addict's blog. But I can't help wondering if the comments would have been different if the Addict had shown more enthusiasm for the game.

 

[Piotrovitz]

6 is the best one, and below you can find very comprehensive and in-depth analysis about all the reasons why:

 

[Gregz]

VII, because VI doesn't have Arcomage.

 

[JarlFrank]

Xeen.

I'm starting to wonder if the love for Xeen (which I don't share) is a Codex thing. It certainly doesn't get much love on CRPG Addict's blog. But I can't help wondering if the comments would have been different if the Addict had shown more enthusiasm for the game.

People there criticize it based on worldbuilding and shit... which makes no sense because that's not the point of the game. The flow of the gameplay is great and the dungeon design is overall very solid.
But Clouds is overall less good than Darkside so the good stuff is yet to come on CRPG Addict.

 

[Shitty Kitty]

I liked III so I will probably like the Xeen games when I get around to them. VI is apparently a favorite/high point but haven't played it yet.