Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[mediocrepoet]

Dark Messiah is great if you like janky action games revolving around kicking stuff. If you think Might and Magic games should be some form of RPG, there's not a lot here for you.

 

[Jvegi]

I love both but I doubt you'll like VI if you think VII is slow.

I don't think it's slow. It's cumbersome. And I think I can see now what the systems have to offer, which makes the tediousness of going around towns even less rewarding.

The dungeons are the fun part. If 6 has more of those, AND if it has less busy work and needless limitations when it comes to skills, then I think it might be fun.

 

[octavius]

Looks like someone is trolling CRPG Addict and Lilura.

BTW; by a funny coincidence JarlFrank posted the messages before and after "Lilura" and is even mentioned in the post.

Wait what? I don't see anything trolly.

Some boring person suggested cancelation, and it was canceled. We can't have fun; that would be problematic.

 

[DaveO]

MM6 does not have limits like MM7 and MM8. You may develop your characters as you see fit.

 

[fantadomat]

I am replaying the 7th now,and fuck it is painful how useless relics are. Artefacts are a lot better than relics. There are a few decent ones like the crossbow and the belt,but the rest are total useless garbage. Half of them are locked behind good/evil,decent amount have some retarded effect like fireball on impact that hurts your party or HP draining on a staff. I have found 10 times better staff in a random chest lol.

 

[jackofshadows]

HP draining on a staff

Still bis.

At least situation is better than it was in mm6 where pretty much all of it was useless garbage.

Anyway, I was obssesed with artifacts and relics before more for the looks than usefullness even but I don't care much anymore. Just picking up something after clearing titan stronghold and land of giants later and either get lucky or don't, whatever.

 

[Fishy]

Can't believe we've talked about MM7 for a few pages without mentioning Arcomage too. As far as timewasting minigames go, this was a magnificent effort, although some form of deck construction would have been welcome. I can still hear the sound effects.

 

[fantadomat]

HP draining on a staff

Still bis.

At least situation is better than it was in mm6 where pretty much all of it was useless garbage.

Anyway, I was obssesed with artifacts and relics before more for the looks than usefullness even but I don't care much anymore. Just picking up something after clearing titan stronghold and land of giants later and either get lucky or don't, whatever.

Ahh not really,the MM6 artefacts were better than the basic weapons/armour. At least its relics weren't crippling lol,even with their negatives you could see practical use for them. MM8 have the best artefacts for sure,it was great fun hunting for them. Even if it made the game pretty easy,it should have been twice as big to compensate for the getting op.

It is shame that you can't roll a Dragon as starting character,it would have been fun solo game.

Can't believe we've talked about MM7 for a few pages without mentioning Arcomage too. As far as timewasting minigames go, this was a magnificent effort, although some form of deck construction would have been welcome. I can still hear the sound effects.

It is pretty good idea and fun to play once in a while. But it was far too cheap and the AI was cheating. Getting your hand filled with useless garbage and just watching getting fucked by the AI was supper annoying. Also the reward was shit,race locked artefacts are the worst! Another bad thing was that the attacking cards were far too weak,it was nearly impossible to win by killing your enemy.

 

[Darth Canoli]

It is pretty good idea and fun to play once in a while. But it was far too cheap and the AI was cheating. Getting your hand filled with useless garbage and just watching getting fucked by the AI was supper annoying. Also the reward was shit,race locked artefacts are the worst! Another bad thing was that the attacking cards were far too weak,it was nearly impossible to win by killing your enemy.

This is fake news.
I've been replaying it recently and i only lost once in 20 games, after getting the quest reward, i still play a game once in a while.

The game isn't rigged, sometimes, you can't win because your opponent has all the good cards but most of the time, it's the other way around.

You can't always win by destroying your opponent but it happens often when you start with a small wall and tower, you just have to focus on building up resources and damaging your opponent while keeping a tower and wall high enough not to lose, well, sometimes you don't get attack cards, it happens, it's not a deterministic game.

Just fired my merge playthrough, played one game and destroyed the AI in a dozen turns and then i quit because i don't remember how to jump to the other worlds, i thought i had to cast town portal from inside a stonehenge but it didn't work from the one i picked and the only clue i have in my logbook is to get to Avlar, which is in MM8 ...



Shame, i wanted to wander in VIII and come back later to finish the demons in VII.

 

[lukaszek]

It is shame that you can't roll a Dragon as starting character,it would have been fun solo game.

you can, there is a mod that allows you to start with full party creation with each member being of any race. It can be interesting you know, not having access to most item slots and most importantly: vampiric weapons

 

[Testownia]

Is Might and Magic, both RPGs and the strategy ones, the only widely popular and successful, both financially and critically, franchise that ISN'T milked dry? Is Ubisoft retarded?

 

[fantadomat]

The NWC dungeon in 7 is also very shit.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

Is Might and Magic, both RPGs and the strategy ones, the only widely popular and successful, both financially and critically, franchise that ISN'T milked dry? Is Ubisoft retarded?

I think they did like three HoM&M games, two of which are Might and Magic Heroes, for some reason, in addition to at least two crappy mobile games. Its not that they aren't trying, its just everything they do with it seems to be a dud in both respects.

 

[Jvegi]

ISN'T milked dry

It seems like it was milked dry in the 90's already.

 

[Testownia]

ISN'T milked dry

It seems like it was milked dry in the 90's already.

By "milked" I mean "nobody plays those types of games anymore". Which is blatantly untrue.

 

[fantadomat]

Do you guys know any MM9 mods?

 

[DaveO]

There is an unofficial patch to MM9 from the TELP Tavern forums. A Google search should help you find it.

 

[octavius]

ISN'T milked dry

It seems like it was milked dry in the 90's already.

I remember thinking it was milked dry when the Heroes Chronicles appeared.
But by all accounts IV was better and I know V was better, so there was still some milk left after all.

 

[Testownia]

ISN'T milked dry

It seems like it was milked dry in the 90's already.

I remember thinking it was milked dry when the Heroes Chronicles appeared.
But by all accounts IV was better and I know V was better, so there was still some milk left after all.

Heroes of Might and Magic IV has the best campaigns in the series, story-wise. Not the expansions, of course - those should be disregarded and ignored.

 

[Fishy]

Is Might and Magic, both RPGs and the strategy ones, the only widely popular and successful, both financially and critically, franchise that ISN'T milked dry? Is Ubisoft retarded?

It's also a franchise that imho managed to diversify/reinvent itself regularly relatively successfully. The old M&M culminated with 3-5, then 6-8 took the mainline into another direction, 9 was... right, let's not talk about 9... X seems to have sort of gone back to the older formula but not quite, Heroes is completely different, only keeping the colourful fantasy aesthetic and evolving/changing with each iteration (caveat: only played up to 5 myself, the rest being online uplay stuff), there used to be a free-to-play card game that was actually pretty entertaining, then you have offshoots like Dark Messiah and that weird anime puzzler Clash of Heroes...

If they actually put a little effort, they could work out a decent universe and keep exploring it through various angles. Not every game of the franchise will be for everyone, but that's a pretty solid lineup for something that isn't a behemoth like Star Wars.

 

[Darth Canoli]

but that's a pretty solid lineup for something that isn't a behemoth like Star Wars.

Star What?

Might & Magic + Heroes is the most epic franchise of the modern era, nothing comes even close, the eighties had the Goldbox, the nineties and early 2000 is ruled by the M&M franchise.
And nothing took its crown since new franchises are just garbage.

 

[Kliwer]

If they actually put a little effort, they could work out a decent universe and keep exploring it through various angles.

Ubisoft has done their best to screw up the M&M universe. What they inherited was great, and great things could be done with it.
-The unique atmosphere and aesthetics of the world
- A mix of fantasy and SF
-A handful of characteristic characters.

At the same time, it was a very "open" universe. New creators were not limited to one particular world, they were not bound by any maps or a detailed history. You could write any adventures, invent new planets. Potential difficult to spoil.

But Ubisoft did it. The beautiful aesthetics were exchanged for some manga and plastic shit. The SF themes have been completely abandoned, and there has been no continuity. M&M 1-9, although very different from each other, interact with each other in terms of their plot (I love how "suddenly" in M&M7 we have a continuation of the M&M3 plot). The M&M ala Ubisoft world has no special features, it is a world made in some Fantasy World Generator. I can't believe how stupid can they be.

 

[Tweed]

The French ruin everything they touch.

 

[Mightmagic]

Is Might and Magic, both RPGs and the strategy ones, the only widely popular and successful, both financially and critically, franchise that ISN'T milked dry? Is Ubisoft retarded?

3do has destroyed the RPg series and ubi soft has given the final blow. M&M X is just the exception.

 

[Tweed]

As something of a storyfag for this series, it bothers me that we'll never see any kind of conclusion to all the little arcs and by-plays going on between the CPRGs and the strategy games. Plus, I never miss a chance to complain about how we should have gotten the forge for HoMM 3 and stupid whiny faggots ruined that for all true and honest M&M fans, forcing them to change it to conflux at the last minute.