Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[Darth Canoli]

Nope. That's the fun thing about h2 - top tier of human castle is a fucking joke, has 50 hp and low stats. Something something like minotaur.

You get more of them so if you can buff them or debuff their target to alleviate the retaliation, you're good and they hurt like hell.
Also, the archers are quite good.

When you played with H1/H2 human forces, you'd try to get a wizard's castle for the magic guild, trying to get true resurrection, then you're in business.

Well, thay had shoestring budget. I think global map looks fine. Perhaps you need to spend some time to be able to distinguish what's what. Playing with "moving mobs" should also help

That was quite smart of them.

Lead designer: -We don't have the budget we hoped for, so, let's change the engine entirely and add uglier graphics and when we run out of money, we'll just release a buggy mess nobody will buy!

 

[jackofshadows]

You get more of them so if you can buff them or debuff their target to alleviate the retaliation, you're good and they hurt like hell.
Also, the archers are quite good.

When you played with H1/H2 human forces, you'd try to get a wizard's castle for the magic guild, trying to get true resurrection, then you're in business.

What that has to do with crusaders themselves? Your initial point was that they could tank somewhat. Any unit (except afro-dragons) could tank with true ressurection then. Yes, you can still win with human castle but that doesn't make it less pathetic in terms of balance. And that's not even a bad thing!

That was quite smart of them.

Lead designer: -We don't have the budget we hoped for, so, let's change the engine entirely and add uglier graphics and when we run out of money, we'll just release a buggy mess nobody will buy!

Ugh, you're trying too hard. The only truly atrocious thing about H4 is the AI. So bad that is not even funny. The map however is perfectly readable, some guys apparantely did a mod for 1080p even though I don't care about this stuff personally

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[Darth Canoli]

Now try a map with dirt tiles from the necromancer's campaign, for example.

Also, upgraded crusaders had 65hp in H2, the ones with 50 were the paladins from H1 and H2, whom you could upgrade to Crusaders in H2.
But the balance discussion is irrelevant as each castle would dominate the game at some point if played skillfully.

Barbarians and Knights early, Wizards and Warlocks late game if the maps provided sufficient resources.
Because on top of being more expensive and requiring additional resources to recruit, Dragons and Titans buildings require more upgrades, Black Dragons being the worst with 3 buildings to get to the Black Dragon.

In multiplayer, Barb/Knights rush tactics would be quite annoying but maps with plenty of mines and resources would benefit the Wizards or the Warlocks the most.

And late game, with enough resources, Titans + Phoenix + True resurrection combos would rule, or with adequate items and a lot of Warlock castles Black Dragons + max spell power + Armageddon.

The fun part was the unbalance and everything could work with the right skills + items.

The not so fun part is playing cat & mouse game with level 1 enemy heroes trying to take your mines every time you'd leave your kingdom and try to vanquish your other neighbors.

Instead of trying to fix this, HoMM 4 gave us mortal and fragile heroes on the battlefield.
And of course, the AI (never played HoMM 4 multiplayer, it'd just be even worse) would exploit this and focus their attacks on your main hero and if you have many, only the "game over" hero would be targeted...

One of the most retarded game design of its time for a tactical game, Sawyer wasn't even the first to deliver shit with cream.

 

[Anomander]

Ubisoft is looking for Senior Brand Manager [Might & Magic]
https://www.celestialheavens.com/ubisoft-is-looking-for-senior-brand-manager-might-magic

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Ubisoft Shanghai is looking for a Senior Brand Manager to champion the brand marketing and product marketability of a new Might & Magic AAA game. Under the management of the Brand director, join an ambitious team and help reinvent one the biggest Fantasy franchise in video game history.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Can't get hyped by games that are steam & ubi connect to the net. I find it hard to believe Ubi gives a crap about MM.

 

[lukaszek]

i elect to be fabulously optimistic about this piece of news

 

[Cyberarmy]

"reinvent one the biggest Fantasy franchise in video game history."

Yeah, that'll sure end in tears.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Yeah.... the last few entries are just so grand:




Ahhh.... MIGHT & MAGIC DISNEY PRINCESSES BIRTHDAY EDITION!

Sooooooo CUUUUUTTTTEEEEEE!!!!!




Yep.... I'm just betting it will be revived in a most grand way.

"at the end of the day the IP doesn't matter but the gameplay must be fun..."

Bullox... the IP MATTERS!

 

[mediocrepoet]

Ubisoft Shanghai? Phone game.

 

[jackofshadows]

I like the word "reinvent" if this isn't about phone game. That could mean legacy 2 approach, basically.

 

[Gaznak]

Is there any more idiotic word than "reinvent"?? Safe for cases it's used to sell some inconceivable dreck, of course.

 

[Grunker]

I know this sounds insane but Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes was actually a pretty good game. Jaedar can vouch for this.

Might & Magic: Duel of Champions is easily my favourite digital TCG of all time, even more so than Magic Arena. Too bad it died due to lack of players.

None of them has got shit to do with Might & Magic of course, but it does prove quality within the franchise isn't impossible. Of course I'm one of the few people here who liked X so YMMV.

 

[Dorateen]

Is there any more idiotic word than "reinvent"??

Reimagine. Whenever corporations or governments want to reimagine any aspect of society, you'd best hang on to your wallet and civil liberties.

 

[Gaznak]

Reimagine

Ah, I see. It's just like today's 'new normality' and other SARS-CoV-2-spoof word coinage.

Returning to this thread's rails, how can anybody in sane mind ever believe that Ubisoft, EA, Slitherine, or any other gang of swindlers brandishing "All your good old brands are belong to us now" flag can be good for anything else than parasitizing everything they can reach out, like tapeworms? And what good can be from parasites but diarrhea?

 

[Reader]

Might and Magic 6... I'm at 107 hours clocked, opened the Control Center and discovered the Hive and i'm exhausted.
Some explanation and advice would have been really appreciated.

People say blasters rock.
Well, in my game blasters suck. I have two guns and two rifles. I have master skill on all chars. I even raised blaster skill to 15 on two chars hoping that..i dunno..there is some hidden variable for damage?..
But no matter what battle mode i use the monsters just coming closer and beat the shit out of me. Because blaster's damage sucks.

People say magic rocks.
Well, yes. In overworld. In a dungeon however it may vary. I have 20 in fire magic skill and 25 in dark magic. Inferno does puny damage to robots or eyes and no damage to demons. Whats more, fucking shrapnel costs a ton but does the same puny damage.

People say "lure the monsters out one by one"..
Do we even play the same game?.. In my game monsters not follow you from a big room. They hid around corners in groups and wait for you to come to them.
There are exceptions but many mobs just hide.

So i wanted to ask - how am i supposed to deal with big rooms filled with like 10-30 mobs?
What am i doing wrong?
I mastered all armor skills to reduce recovery time. I'm using Day of Gods and Hour (my Light magic skill is 29 so i have huge buffs), i'm using The Day of Protection ofc too.
And still... I just walked into a room with three Terminator units which can just insta eradicate you and a dozen of other drones and they just keep wiping me out. And they don't come to me one by one, they all hide around the corners..
And then there is that big room with demons in hive...I can beat them all but then all my party is deseased and without any SP. And if i walk out they all respawn.


My party is Pal/Archer/Cleric/ Sorc (yes, i did all the promotions) Level 98.
GoG version of the game if that matters.

 

[T. Reich]

People say blasters rock.
Well, in my game blasters suck. I have two guns and two rifles. I have master skill on all chars. I even raised blaster skill to 15 on two chars hoping that..i dunno..there is some hidden variable for damage?..
But no matter what battle mode i use the monsters just coming closer and beat the shit out of me. Because blaster's damage sucks.

Use rifles. Use real time. Press down attack button.
Blaster go brrrrrr.


Magic rocks, but you gotta know what to use aganst what mobs, because enemy reistances in MM6 are no joke (unlike MM7 and especially MM8).
Magic is ESPECIALLY strong versus big enemy packs (as long you're protected from their magical attacks of course).
Sparks is the strongest (by far) short range magic spam spell in the game, seconded by poison spray (which is usually used vs air resitant mobs). Fireball and rock blast demolish packs at long range. If something survives - come closer and spark it out.

Terminators are a total fuck you monster. Only fight them 1 at a time or just cheese the control center and never come back.
The hive entry hall can be almost completely cleared by spamming carefully aimed rock blast while you're standing at the room entrance and the demons are dying below.

 

[fantadomat]

blaster is boring,it makes the game meh

also don't know what kind of weirdos play them in tb mode lol ,with blaster you just hold A or S and watch shit die,you cast haste on high level and shit die instantly. Prefer sword and magic,the game is more fun that way.

Magic rocks, but you gotta know what to use aganst what mobs, because enemy reistances in MM6 are no joke

Not really,i just use sparks and fire blast in melee range,everything dies very fast. Also there was a decent water magic spell but forgot the name. It is a shame that earth magic is the most useless garbage out there,town portal should have been earth to give you at least reason to get it.

 

[octavius]

Might and Magic 6... I'm at 107 hours clocked, opened the Control Center and discovered the Hive and i'm exhausted.
Some explanation and advice would have been really appreciated.

People say blasters rock.
Well, in my game blasters suck. I have two guns and two rifles. I have master skill on all chars. I even raised blaster skill to 15 on two chars hoping that..i dunno..there is some hidden variable for damage?..
But no matter what battle mode i use the monsters just coming closer and beat the shit out of me. Because blaster's damage sucks.

I finished MM6 a year or three ago, my guys being lvl 98 at the end, and this was my reaction to the final area (The Hive, right?):

Last Dungeon was a decline difficulty wise when it came to combat. At this stage the demons could hardly touch me (Titans and Dragons still were nasty, though) and I just blasted them, occasionally casting Sparks against huge numbers.

Blasters are much more effective in real time mode, and unless you get high Master levels, Light and Dark magic is generally inferior to Elemental magic in MM6 (MM7 is a different matter) in my experience. But you need extreme values of Reputation to become a Master of Light or Dark magic, which is difficult without meta gaming.

 

[Reader]

Blaster go brrrrrr

I watched the video you attached and that's really impressive. I think i'll cheese the rest of Control Center like you said, grab two other rifles and be done with that place.

Fireball and rock blast demolish packs at long range. If something survives - come closer and spark it out.

Thanks for advice. I think i have some unused skill points so i'll try rock blast there.

The Hive, right

Yeah
Strangely i don't have problems with Titans and Dragons anymore. Meteor Shower and God Ray work good on them. And Starburst work good on Red Dragons.
But those robots and demons...

But you need extreme values of Reputation to become a Master of Light or Dark magic, which is difficult without meta gaming

I didn't metagame but i had Saintly reputation for quite a while. For one third of my playthrough maybe. Up until i unstoned Archibald.
But i used Town Portal and Beacon a lot and game time moved really slow. Maybe thats why.

Thanks for some advices guys. Hope i'll complete the game today.

 

[jackofshadows]

Whats more, fucking shrapnel costs a ton but does the same puny damage.

Yeah, you should cast it at point blank range. Then it becomes the best indoor spell in the game (not so much in MM6 as in MM7-8 though). Also don't forget to enchant or get some other way rings for +magic school that you're using for every char. Or just use blasters with the haste in rt but that's just boring.

 

[Storyfag]

Whats more, fucking shrapnel costs a ton but does the same puny damage.

Yeah, you should cast it at point blank range. Then it becomes the best indoor spell in the game (not so much in MM6 as in MM7-8 though). Also don't forget to enchant or get some other way rings for +magic school that you're using for every char. Or just use blasters with the haste in rt but that's just boring.

Technicaly, if we consider damage/mana spent, sparks and poison spray are superior to shrapnel. But from a damage/cast perspective it's back to shrapnel.

 

[T. Reich]

Yes. Shrapmetal is THE spell when you need to deal as much damage per cast as possible at close range, regardless of mana cost.
Dragon breath is usually this option for long range.

However, given mana cost considerations, sparks and poison spray are the best by far for close range, and fireball and rock blast the best for long range.

Outdoor is the unchallenged domain of meteor shower and starburst, of course. If you value your reputation, that is. Otherwise, armageddon first, then finish off the survivors.

 

[jackofshadows]

You don't care about mana when you have the torrent so. Have never used such shitty spells like sparks or fireball anywhere near the later stages of the game unless I was restricting myself from using dark magic.

Otherwise, armageddon first, then finish off the survivors.

One of my favorite types of autism in MM7 is to have 4 casters and raise them DM enough to clear land of the giants just by using armageddon.

 

[Reader]

Completed it!
What i didn't know is that if you use specifically A button for attack instead of LMB plus Haste then the blasters go insane.
But i wonder is that how they supposed to behave or just a convenient overlook.

Also don't forget to enchant or get some other way rings for +magic schoo

Do you actually able to get such enchantments from your spell? I got mine +magic school rings from drops. Got two rings for spirit magic and two for mind.
Is mind magic good at something? VS enemies i mean. Mass Fear maybe?..

Other than that - good game. Though comparing to MM3-5 they really rised the difficulty. Well, good reason to replay it eventually with all the knowledge!

 

[Sunri]

Is Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer bad? I remember that I played it when I was a kid and really liked it I was thinking about replaying it, but it got low amount of votes, so maybe I should try some other part hmm?