Are you deliberately being obtuse or is this your natural state? Even quoting that line out of context doesn't make your response reasonable. Whether story is shit or not is irrelevant, my point was that putting in a story takes effort, more effort than just making maps. For instance, modding Doom to have a new set of levels is easy; Modding Strife to have a new story is not.
That's because they're Immersive Sims. Kind of like Ultima Underworld is.
I think you misread, I'm struggling to think of any definition of FPS that doesn't include those games, especially if it does include the likes of Metro or STALKER or most of Far Cry - which it must, since they're all obviously FPS games. There's no criteria for "FPS" that covers Doom and STALKER but doesn't also include System Shock.
You're right, I misread. Just woke up, my bad. Carry on.
This term gets thrown around a lot these days mostly by journos who have no idea what it actually means and most likely don't play games.
I'd never heard it until I watched a review of EYE: Divine Cybermancy(which is a fucking awesome game, BTW), but there are certain games that just seem to fit it because they fall outside the definition of other genres. They're close, but just not. Thief, for example, even though it doesn't have any of the RPG elements that other titles seem to have, it does have a lot of the hallmarks of "Immersive Sim", like the use of the environment or interactivity with the environment, the approach to the solution of a problem is largely in the hands of the player, spontaneous events through circumstances, and so on.
By Doom 2 ID weren't really on good terms with each other. Romero wanted to play rock star and attention whore and he was supposed to be the boss. So you end up with a lot of issues in Doom 2 because the team isn't focused on making a good game any more. They have their own objectives and not all of them are game design related.
And then there's Quake II which had a very clear plot and setting too.
Dark Messiah of Might & Magic falls pretty close to that tree. There's also Shadows of Doubt which might be fairly close to those ideas.
This is one of the reason I kept bringing up Ultima Underworld in this thread when people mentioned System Shock being a reaction to Doom. Look at the names of the big players involved in Ultima Underworld, then look at the ones involved in System Shock. They're largely the same people.
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I like the idea of Shadows of Doubt, but the visuals make me gag. I never liked the use of voxels for more-detailed art.
I use mouselook, but I also use the Voxel Doom mods. If you're looking for a whole bunch of decently quality wad files, check out Doomer Board Project some time. They released 62 community made WAD packs, most of which are pretty decent.
Make it fun.
Yeah...but it's merely good for what it is, so who cares. Same with Prey 2017. Same with Dishonored. Generally Arkane's post-Arx games follow the core rules, but not the spirit (they're all kind of dumb and lacking, even as more action-oriented games they're just not great). Not that Arkane can be blamed. Arx Fatalis didn't sell well at all, game journos shat on it (absolute idiots), and I bet everyone and their mother was telling and pushing Rapheal down the path of selling out including ex-LGS employees...who also all sold out. Little room for incline in the game industry post-2000. Can they also be blamed when LGS struggled the entire time in the 90s while PC gamers sucked off Half-Life, constant graphics whoring, obsessed with shitty Diablo and so forth?
Don't actually mind the mouselook but generally prefer turning it off when i am not using gameplay mods.
FYPNP. That game is everything wrong with "throwback" shooters. Garbage.
How about shooting being the single most important thing in the game? Wow, that was easy.
