The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[DalekFlay]

Normally I would agree with you. But I've just come from a thread about how consoles are now LITERALLY GAMING PCs.

So forgive me if I'm not that impressed.

Also I bought a PS4 shortly after launch, and to this day there are few truly good games for it. And the ones there are, aren't even exclusive anymore. I expect this decline to continue to the next one.

Edit: Unless you happen to be some kind of weeaboo degenerate. Plenty of Japaneseru games for the PS4.

I haven't owned a non-Nintendo console once my whole life, so you don't have to tell me the PS4 isn't worth it. I'm just talking general industry shit. They will sell well and dominate "AAA" game design and mainstream thought whether they compare to a 2020 gaming PC or not.

 

[aweigh]

imagine owning a console and not playing japanese games LOL

 

[Biscotti]

• 8K Rendering support
• Ray-tracing support

Can't wait for the next generation of silky smooth 24 FPS walking simulators. #4ThePlayers

 

[aweigh]

bruh, ps4 pro can't even do 4k right now and they're going to jump all the way to 8k ? lmao

don't they know that performance deficit actually increases exponentially as pixel count rises? 8k isn't "twice as intensive" as 4k, it's actually like 12-20 times heavier... if not more.

ray tracing performance deficit also increases exponentially with pixel count as it's tied to per-pixel application methods currently. maybe they'll find a way around this but for the time being it's per-pixel.

tldr there is no way they'll be doing 8k on ps5, and definitely not with any kind of ray tracing either.

 

[Morgoth]

In practice, 4K res only requires ~3x raw power of FullHD to achieve the same framerate, not 4x. But with more modern rendering tenchiques (Variable Rate shading, Primitive culling, etc.) this factor becomes even more uneven.

 

[theSavant]

Yeah it's interesting. I doubt they use a GPU anywhere near as good as the 2080ti

Rumors though said, that the Navi GPU in the PS5 shall be a bit behind RTX 2080ti, so it would definitely be a strong console after all.

 

[Morgoth]

A console GPU could have the raw power of a RTX 2070 and still end up being faster than a Desktop RTX 2080 Ti counterpart. Console optimizations are on an entirely different level than on PC.

 

[Perkel]

Yeah it's interesting. I doubt they use a GPU anywhere near as good as the 2080ti

Rumors though said, that the Navi GPU in the PS5 shall be a bit behind RTX 2080ti, so it would definitely be a strong console after all.

And i have grass growing on my back.

150-200W this is budget for whole console.
So they either came up with MCM gpu design or they will use mid tier gpu.

 

[theSavant]

You may be right... not sure where I got that rumor (can't find that article anymore). Something in the range RTX 2070 and Vega 64 sounds definitely more realistic.

 

[sullynathan]

Your average pc gamer doesn't have a computer comparable to top of the line modern consoles.

 

[sullynathan]

We already knew PS4 backwards compatibility was a given, what we need is PS3 backwards compatibility.
PS Now still exists to download some PS4, PS2 & PS1 games but it's not full compatibility for all games nor can you download the PS3 games which take up the majority of the library.

 

[sullynathan]

ps4 pro can't even do 4k right now

aweigh we've been over this, it can and the xbox one x does it even better and the next gen consoles will be better than the one x.

 

[DalekFlay]

You may be right... not sure where I got that rumor (can't find that article anymore). Something in the range RTX 2070 and Vega 64 sounds definitely more realistic.

There's always rumors and puff-pieces like the one today about how amazing they'll be, then they come out and to get everything in a small box for $500 or less they had to go much cheaper. I really doubt there's anything like a 2070 in there, let alone a 2080ti. That said Morgoth is right, because of optimizations and standard hardware they get a lot more out of it. So even if they only approach a 2060 or whatever we'll still need much beefier cards to match.

 

[Insect Hordes]

Is damn ps5 going to play 4k bluray movies? That was some bullshit on the ps4 pro.

 

[DemonKing]

Is damn ps5 going to play 4k bluray movies? That was some bullshit on the ps4 pro.

Unless you're an audiophile I don't think there's much point to buying movies on disc anymore - if you wait a bit the digital versions can be had extremely cheaply (<$5) and some storefronts will even update them automatically when a newer version (ie 1080p to 4K) comes out. I was disappointed at first that PS4s didn't have a 4K disc drive but can't say I've missed it in reality.

Here's an article on the PS5 Audio chip if anyone's interested:

https://www.techradar.com/au/news/what-playstation-5s-3d-audio-chip-could-mean-for-gamers

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

We already knew PS4 backwards compatibility was a given, what we need is PS3 backwards compatibility.
PS Now still exists to download some PS4, PS2 & PS1 games but it's not full compatibility for all games nor can you download the PS3 games which take up the majority of the library.

Being built on the PS4 architecture makes me wonder if PS2 backwards compatibility is still going to be a thing too. Even if they've got it locked away on PS4.

 

[sullynathan]

Being built on the PS4 architecture makes me wonder if PS2 backwards compatibility is still going to be a thing too. Even if they've got it locked away on PS4.

Well the PS2 BC on PS4 is using PS Now for streaming and downloading. The download is some form of emulation so it should still work.

 

[DalekFlay]

Unless you're an audiophile I don't think there's much point to buying movies on disc anymore - if you wait a bit the digital versions can be had extremely cheaply (<$5) and some storefronts will even update them automatically when a newer version (ie 1080p to 4K) comes out. I was disappointed at first that PS4s didn't have a 4K disc drive but can't say I've missed it in reality.

I've tested iTunes and Vudu streaming in 4k HDR on a 300Mbps connection and discs still look considerably better. More fine detail and less compression issues. It's not even anywhere near a contest if you have good equipment and give a rat's ass. Not to mention there's many remasters not on streaming that are on disc, from labels like Criterion or Arrow, plus stuff you can only get by importing because of rights issues. Movies are the only thing I still buy on disc, for good reason.

 

[DemonKing]

I've tested iTunes and Vudu streaming in 4k HDR on a 300Mbps connection and discs still look considerably better. More fine detail and less compression issues. It's not even anywhere near a contest if you have good equipment and give a rat's ass.

Of course the disc will always be preferred by someone that can spot the difference and that's enough to matter to them. Personally I prefer the convenience and free format upgrades of streaming (plus the fact I have less DVDs lying around cluttering the space up). My kids have grown up with streaming and they get frustrated when they have to watch something on disc because of the authentication times, annoying unskippable anti-piracy videos and clunky navigation and I can't say I blame them.

Not to mention there's many remasters not on streaming that are on disc, from labels like Criterion or Arrow, plus stuff you can only get by importing because of rights issues. Movies are the only thing I still buy on disc, for good reason.

That's true, but for the vast majority of people who are looking to buy new release 4K mainstream films it won't matter.

Personally I'll be happy if the PS5 includes a 4K Blu Ray (and it should) but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it doesn't.

 

[J_C]

I've tested iTunes and Vudu streaming in 4k HDR on a 300Mbps connection and discs still look considerably better. More fine detail and less compression issues. It's not even anywhere near a contest if you have good equipment and give a rat's ass.

Of course the disc will always be preferred by someone that can spot the difference and that's enough to matter to them. Personally I prefer the convenience and free format upgrades of streaming (plus the fact I have less DVDs lying around cluttering the space up). My kids have grown up with streaming and they get frustrated when they have to watch something on disc because of the authentication times, annoying unskippable anti-piracy videos and clunky navigation and I can't say I blame them.

It's time to beat some sense into your kids because it seems that they are on the way to decline. At least the discs are yours and you can watch them whenever you want, and you are not on the mercy of Netflix.

bruh, ps4 pro can't even do 4k right now and they're going to jump all the way to 8k ? lmao

Yeah, I doubt that anyone confirmed that 8k is for gaming. It will be for playing movies and that's all.

 

[DemonKing]

It's time to beat some sense into your kids because it seems that they are on the way to decline. At least the discs are yours and you can watch them whenever you want, and you are not on the mercy of Netflix.

I was talking about streaming purchased movies rather than Netflix streaming.

Yeah, I doubt that anyone confirmed that 8k is for gaming. It will be for playing movies and that's all.

When though? I doubt 8K titles are going to be mainstream for sometime given a lot of people haven't even upgraded to 4K yet.

 

[J_C]

It's time to beat some sense into your kids because it seems that they are on the way to decline. At least the discs are yours and you can watch them whenever you want, and you are not on the mercy of Netflix.

I was talking about streaming purchased movies rather than Netflix streaming.

But doesn't that also have the danger of losing those movies if the provider goes bust? Sure, we were forced to do the same with gaming and Steam, but we had no other choice, physical distribution basically died. For movies, we still have an option with discs.

Yeah, I doubt that anyone confirmed that 8k is for gaming. It will be for playing movies and that's all.

When though? I doubt 8K titles are going to be mainstream for sometime given a lot of people haven't even upgraded to 4K yet.

Sure, I'm not advocating 8K, I think it is just a buzzword for the PS5.

 

[GrainWetski]

Rumors though said, that the Navi GPU in the PS5 shall be a bit behind RTX 2080ti, so it would definitely be a strong console after all.

Yes, and the PS4/Xbox One were going to be super duper powerful blowing every PC out of the water for the next 57 years. Then they couldn't even run games at the 1080p/60 they advertised the consoles as.

 

[Makabb]

New consoles, new decline. What else is new?

Todd will finaly have the power to create the dream Elder Scrolls !

 

[Makabb]

bruh, ps4 pro can't even do 4k right now and they're going to jump all the way to 8k ? lmao

ps5 will do native 4k and 8k will upscaled like on ps4 pro (which means don't use it and do native 4k)