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Ultima The Ultima Underworld I & II Thread

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Saxon1974, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. newtmonkey Arcane

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    I know. "You can also use the mouse" is not the same thing as "movement is done entirely with the mouse". The point is that UUW1, in addition to mouse controls, uses nearly modern FPS controls, so there is no reason for the RPS guy not to recommend it, other than he cannot recommend any game that was not released more than a year ago.
     
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  2. Mortmal Arcane

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    And by the way try ambermoon remaster, it's surprisingly modern as well, was published around the same time as UU too , much less revolutionary of course . Every other rpgs were shadowed by UU.
     
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  3. Mortmal Arcane

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    Worked fine on a 386 dx 40 .
     
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  4. Denim Destroyer Learned

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    I just did a surface level comparison and it seems the only difference between the current version of the GOG Underworld games on and the previous versions is an added DOS config menu on boot. Really does make me wonder why the games where pulled in the first place.
     
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  5. LESS T_T Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Someone bothered to ask EA reasons behind this, EA gave him a non-answer: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...-when-delisting-titles-following-gog-backlash

     
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  6. <3sRichardSimmons Arcane Patron

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    Am I misreading this, or is the spokesman basically saying “We’re so grossly incompetent that we aren’t actually aware of a large amount of products we own, nor do we know or care if they have any real value, but hey, since you guys got upset here’s that thing you were complaining about for free”?

    I mean what the hell?
     
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  7. Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Arcane

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    Why are you so surprised? I bet that for EA these titles are basically the equivalent of old garbage forgotten in in their basement.
     
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  8. Fowyr Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Rock Cuck Shotgun strikes again.
     
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  9. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    tl;dr:
    woops, some mid-level employee wasn't aware people actually play old games, uhh... here's some free old games
     
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  10. BlackGoat Arbiter

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    https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ea...list-syndicate-and-ultima-underworld-from-gog

    What a dick
     
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  11. Jinn Arcane

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    Those pieces of shit at Rock Paper Shotgun and their relentless shitty takes on games. It boils my blood that these people are supposed to be the "representatives" of our hobby.
     
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  12. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    Ultima Underworld games hold up pretty well with a bit of control clunkiness.

    I could see if this was about the early Ultima games or something but the Underworld games aren't that old.
     
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  13. zwanzig_zwoelf Graverobber Foundation Developer

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    Funny, but I found the old Ultima games (and even Akalabeth) perfectly playable when I tried them for the first time, even without a manual. UU took a bit to get used to, but it also worked out pretty well.

    Syndicate? Also perfectly playable, I had no trouble getting into it when I tried it in mid 00's.

    I mean, what the fuck is wrong with these people?
     
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  14. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    For zits and millennials, anything more complicated than Diablo is in the "too hard" basket.
     
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  15. Mark Richard Arcane

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    A statement like that would've never been uttered on Rock Paper Shotgun ten years ago. Older games can be so appealing because they offer something modern games don't. There's no modern equivalent of Ultima Underworld (though Arx Fatalis gave a damn good try). It's a physics-based dungeoneering simulation with a rich body of interactive possibilities that allow for emergent gameplay. Unless you had abusive parents who owned a large basement, this is the closest you'll get to being thrown into an actual dungeon.
     
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    How high is the gimping potential during character creation in UU1? Bard seems interesting because they get lots of skills but I don't know how much the game rewards specialisation compared to generalisation. Also, why does the S key move forward instead of backwards?
     
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  17. Wunderbar Arcane

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    Blackshirt there's a ton of useless skills in the game, and in order to level your stats you must first find specific mantras in the game world (some of which are hidden and can be missed). Just take the Druid.
     
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  18. Generic-Giant-Spider Arcane

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    If you find it difficult to play Syndicate/Syndicate Wars your classrooms in elementary school likely had only 8 other kids in it and random parents on standby for when one of them tried to eat glue.
     
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  19. Sinatar Arbiter

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    W is run forwards, S is walk forwards, X is move backwards. You can use dosbox's key remapper (ctrl F1) to change it if you want.
     
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  20. Black Plague Arbiter

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    I noticed the lack of "context sensitive" right click with the mod. Should it be like that? (=lack of click+drag pick up/use, only look)
     
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  21. Ed123 Arcane Patron

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    I don't have anything against people being honest and not simply following the hivemind to try and look cool/elitist (e.g. people on rpgcodex who defend blobbers), but it's become trendy in game journalism to positively revel in proclaiming how stupid and lazy you are and then acting smug about it when called out.

    Someone who actually cared about the hobby would suggest curious players approach the games from the perspective of engaging with control schemes, world design, and exploration that are so different from modern games that they actually feel fresh again. If I wanted to hear some ignorant retard simply dismiss something with "oh it's too old and dated now, meh", I could ask a random friend or someone on an internet forum. If you have nothing to contribute beyond that, maybe keep it to yourself when writing a news article.

    This is quintessential "New Games Journalism". Thank you based Kieron Gillen.
     
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  22. BlackGoat Arbiter

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    I just don't get the point of posting something like that, and not just once but twice in quick succession. And phrasing it in a way like he's rubbing it in.

    It's not like if he said "You guys should play Ultima Underworld it's a classic" everyone would run out and play it, but he might get a handful of people genuinely curious. Instead he basically shits on it and reinforces what people are already doing anyway. His shitty readers don't need to be convinced to play whatever new bullshit just came out instead of classic masterpieces.
     
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  23. <3sRichardSimmons Arcane Patron

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    UU1 does have a lot of useless skills and general lack of skill parity, but it’s still not a hard game. You have to be actively trying to gimp yourself to make a completely unviable avatar.
     
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