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[Awor Szurkrarz]

My father fucked the half country too,dont think that you are special.

Well, it would be kinda pointless to write about how it's bad that they are able to use such disproportional fining thanks to their rich lobbying groups bribing politicians if I thought that I'm the only person that has such experiences with the law, wouldn't it?
The whole point is that they aren't special either, yet they are being treated like they are special. This has to end. Justice and equality and all that stuff.

Get over it and be a better person if you can

I'll start by boycotting the CD-Project. Will you join?

The best thing about these "pay up or else" schemes is that its good just for extorting money from grandmas because a quick google search tells you that you can just get rid of these blackmailing letters because nothing will happen anyway.

Apparently not in Germany. You're responsible for securing and monitoring your network there.

If you don't like paying those artists for their work that try to live from it (how dare they), there's no one preventing you from starting to produce it yourself (and aven make it available for free).

Lovely. I used to spent about 250 PLN a year on buying copyrightpedo music. Thanks to people like you now it's over. I'm not going to listen to any copyrightpedo music any more and I'm certainly not going to buy it. A mere thought of someone thinking like you getting money because I have listened to the music that they haven't released themselves makes me sick.

 

[Brotherman Bill]

The whole point is that they aren't special either, yet they are being treated like they are special. This has to end. Justice and equality and all that stuff.

That is an exceptionally shitty argument. You don't even contest that pirating is an injustice, you merely say that there are greater injustices out there... Here's a protip: wanting both less piracy *and* stricter rules on deadbeat fathers is 110% mutually inclusive, you can be in favour of both at the same time (like I am).

 

[Morkar Left]

I am not german but since we are talking about an EU country I am pretty sure that you are innocent until they prove that you are guilty and not the other way around....and how can you be responsible for what happens on your connection?Thats ridiculous


The judges can and will summon independent experts(lots of them if there is no clear consensus).

If someone does a hit-and-run driving with your car it's up to you to prove that you wasn't the driver. I suppose that's the case in all EU countries.




This aside some codex members reached a completely new dimension of retardation here in this thread. Someone gets caught pirating a game and now has to pay a fine for it. Butthurt occures and crybabies gonna cry on the dex... maybe the gaming industry is right after all. Thanks for providing support for their cause of draconian drm.

 

[Edwin]

I dont know,from my point of view establishing an internet connection is no different from building a road to my property.Am I responsible for what happens on my road(lets say it was used to steal the neighbours cucumber)?I dont think so.

I'll start by boycotting the CD-Project. Will you join?

Ehh,as I see it every publisher is bad for 1 reason or another:
-EA killed Westwood and bought Bioware to turn them into what they are today
-UBI:notorious DRM
-Acti/BLizz:they are just milking the cash cow
-Valve:requires steam(obviously)
etc.

I will probably buy Anno 2070 as soon as I will have the time to play it.I plan to buy Risen 2,Diablo 3 and maybe ToR too(dunno yet,atm I dont care about it at all,I am a bit tired of MMOs but that may change).Thats the big plan for the foreseeable future

 

[janjetina]

Stop quoting that Wunderpups idiot, ignore list is there for a reason and that moron is an ignore list regular.
Otherwise, carry on.
Anyway, since application if certain laws is being discussed here, it would be instructive to quote the exact articles pertaining to the discussion (that particularly goes for Gord, who claims that by law the burden of proof is on the defendant, but needs to back it up with quoting the said law).

 

[Morkar Left]

I dont know,from my point of view establishing an internet connection is no different from building a road to my property.Am I responsible for what happens on my road(lets say it was used to steal the neighbours cucumber)?I dont think so.

You are responsible for the maintenance of this road. If someone gets hurt (or just his car damaged) because you failed to repair the potholes or to remove the snow you have to pay the damage.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

I'll start by boycotting the CD-Project. Will you join?

Ehh,as I see it every publisher is bad for 1 reason or another:
-EA killed Westwood and bought Bioware to turn them into what they are today
-UBI:notorious DRM
-Acti/BLizz:they are just milking the cash cow
-Valve:requires steam(obviously)
etc.

I will probably buy Anno 2070 as soon as I will have the time to play it.I plan to buy Risen 2,Diablo 3 and maybe ToR too(dunno yet,atm I dont care about it at all,I am a bit tired of MMOs but that may change).Thats the big plan for the foreseeable future

Destroying just the ones that promote injustice, inequality and lack of proportion by fiddling with the law would be enough. After all it's up to developers to decide whenever they want to sell out or not and up to customers whenever they want DRM whenever they want to feed a cash cow or not.

 

[Edwin]

If someone does a hit-and-run driving with your car it's up to you to prove that you wasn't the driver. I suppose that's the case in all EU countries.

Yes,yes you can be a suspect...but thats not the same as being guilty,you need to prove nothing(theoretically).If they cant prove that you are indeed guilty you are innocent.

Lets say that you tell them that you were at your GFs place on that day and and in that hour.Unless they can prove that you lie and you were the driver(eyewitnesses f. ex.) the judge wont sentence you to prison(in my country the judge or judges make the final decision).Thats the presumption of innocence(you are innocent until proven guilty).

 

[Oriebam]

Give me links.

http://gamersxtreme.org/2011/11/10/mode ... -24-hours/

Spoiler

turns out it's bullshit VGChartz data

was too lazy to look for it in the codex or browse my escapist history(may have seen it unsourced there), so I googled it

 

[Edwin]

I dont know,from my point of view establishing an internet connection is no different from building a road to my property.Am I responsible for what happens on my road(lets say it was used to steal the neighbours cucumber)?I dont think so.

You are responsible for the maintenance of this road. If someone gets hurt (or just his car damaged) because you failed to repair the potholes or to remove the snow you have to pay the damage.

Yup,the maintenance of the road is my responsibility...but I cant see what I have to do with stealing that imaginary cucumber.

I finished a few years on law faculty btw(not international,thats why I can just guess how it works in germany,tbh no idea but as I said we are talking about an EU country so I doubt that they would send to prison/fine citizens without sufficient proof no matter what kind of crime/foul we are talking about).

 

[Gord]

Gord, who claims that by law the burden of proof is on the defendant, but needs to back it up with quoting the said law.

That's not exactly what I'm saying, only that IP addresses have repeatedly been considered enough proof in german courts to convict someone of copyright infringement. I don't know if they also confiscated the pc of the defendant to search for further proof, though.
To the judge you have been proven guilty in the end.

An "Abmahnung" is basically a way for a lawyer to extort you for money without going to court first. If you don't pay and he insists, you will likely end up in court anyway and probably have to pay much more (unless the judge dismisses the lawyers claim, but in such cases it's unlikely).

I can offer this very informative podcast containing an interview with an lawyer specialized in defending people that are charged with copyright infringement stuff. Obviously it's german, though.

http://www.cczwei.de/index.php?id=issuearchive&issueid=373

 

[Morkar Left]

Yes,yes you can be a suspect...but thats not the same as being guilty,you need to prove nothing(theoretically).If they cant prove that you are indeed guilty you are innocent.

It's the same with the internetconnection. And in both cases you will lose the case because of practical reason. They are not dumbasses after all.

Lets say that you tell them that you were at your GFs place on that day and and in that hour.Unless they can prove that you lie and you were the driver(eyewitnesses f. ex.) the judge wont sentence you to prison(in my country the judge or judges make the final decision).Thats the presumption of innocence(you are innocent until proven guilty).

Again, they are not dumbasses. Don't you think they do something like securing of evidences? But even asking you specific questions would be already enough to find out if you are lying etc...

Yup,the maintenance of the road is my responsibility...but I cant see what I have to do with stealing that imaginary cucumber.I finished a few years on law faculty btw(not international,thats why I can just guess how it works in germany,tbh no idea).

I'm not in the mood to diss you but that you have to come up with an imaginary cucumber to try to make a point in your argumentation makes me wonder about how useful your years on law faculty were...

 

[Edwin]

Yes,yes you can be a suspect...but thats not the same as being guilty,you need to prove nothing(theoretically).If they cant prove that you are indeed guilty you are innocent.

It's the same with the internetconnection. And in both cases you will lose the case because of practical reason. They are not dumbasses after all.

Lets say that you tell them that you were at your GFs place on that day and and in that hour.Unless they can prove that you lie and you were the driver(eyewitnesses f. ex.) the judge wont sentence you to prison(in my country the judge or judges make the final decision).Thats the presumption of innocence(you are innocent until proven guilty).

Again, they are not dumbasses. Don't you think they do something like securing of evidences? But even asking you specific questions would be already enough to find out if you are lying etc...

Yup,the maintenance of the road is my responsibility...but I cant see what I have to do with stealing that imaginary cucumber.I finished a few years on law faculty btw(not international,thats why I can just guess how it works in germany,tbh no idea).

I'm not in the mood to diss you but that you have to come up with an imaginary cucumber to try to make a point in your argumentation makes me wonder about how useful your years on law faculty were...

Look...I dont know what are you trying to say but unless they can prove that you lie about your alibi you are not guilty.They cant say that lulz we know that you lie cuz we are not dumbasses,it doesnt work that way.

about the usefulness of my law studies...ehh to be honest its just boring.I intend to finish it 1 day but I am focusing on my economist studies atm because I find this more interesting(and seems to be easier to make a career because I wasnt born into a jurist family,thats a serious disadvantage here).That cucumber example is good enough to tell you my opinion,it would be hard to translate laws+it would be useless because as I said I am not german thus I didnt study german law.

edit:I speak german so I could look into it if I wanted to(or read that article above) but I am not in the mood right now ^.^

 

[Volourn]

"So, you assume that vast majority of buyers are moralfags?"

No, I assume the vast majority of pirates aren't doing it to 'test' a game out out but do so out of pure greed. They want something for free. Period.

Afterall, why pay for something when you cna get it for free?

Every excuse they come with is just bullshit they use to somehow 'justify' their actions of theft.

The biggest being ' x company is so rich and so big they can live without my $50.'.

LMFAO STFU Loser.

 

[memebot3.0b]

Originally though, it was about making it possible at all to make a (somewhat orderly) living by producing art (in whatever form) or other less tangible (i.e. not material) goods, whithout finding a rich benefactor.

Art under patronage system:

Art under commercial system:

Art, literature, music in the past (the famous stuff at least) was mainly commisioned work produced for the rich aristocracy and clergy, rather than work exploited by the rich bourgeoisie.

ftfy

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

Afterall, why pay for something when you cna get it for free?

Because it supports the developers? Because you can't get the original for free?

 

[mondblut]

Art under patronage system:

Art under commercial system:

The hooker is p.hot, the clown isn't. What was your point again?

Also, it cracks me up whenever an antipiracy crusader goes with "bawww commies" bullshit. What's wrong gentlemen, can't handle some true laissez faire? Free market works both ways, mind you, and businesses are in no way more entitled for protection from the greed of customers than customers from the greed of businesses.

 

[Wunderpurps]

I have sympathy for guys getting their asses sued off for downloading a couple music items but after hearing the 12 millionth fuckwit like you rage against the machine I really hope for a crackdown that leads to clowns like you buttraped in guantanimo bay.

All that whole post of yours points is that youre a retard and a pathetic dumbfuck.
I mean, how fucking retarded someone has to be to attempt to get some ego masturbation like that.

The answer is - as pathetic as you retard.

Right. Do you know anyone personally who got a fine without pirating the game ?

Several people in the last such attempt. And we will hear about many more soon.
Do you personally know all that received such blackmailing letters actually pirated or youre just a dumbfuck unable to realize how stupid you are?

And do you know what a anti piracy measure is ?

Yes. Unlike you. I posted a link to one but it was apparently too complicated for a fucktard like you to understand or accept so you pathetically went with idiocy, which is the only thing you can do as a moron:

"What does that have to do with cdproject fining pirates?"

- this is how mundfucking stupid you are.

Why do you care so much? Obviously no one else gives a shit. You are not worried about poor grandmas and their dogs being arrested.

By German law the loser has to pay any legal fees so some old woman getting wrongfully accused will get damages. You know, like has happened in every other case to date that was wrongful. Even in US they have to pay legal fees if it's obvious they were wrong.

You know this already, because you spend all your life raging against the man and all the evils the jew has perpetrated on you. I know cause I've seen you and people like you in every one of these threads here and other places, fuck I bet about anything you do this on half a dozen other sites too. Of course you are not a trustworthy person so I don't expect honesty.

Just like the guys who argue there's no proof drugs are bad for you...completely incoherently. All day every day of their lives.

People get sick of dregs like you. I know I certainly do, and it's not about piracy even it's about you needing to settle down and quit being an outraged jackass all the time.

Probably won't happen, but god how I hope you go to jail and get raped, or at least get sued and lose your house. Then you'll have something to bitch about.

 

[Wunderpurps]

Also, it cracks me up whenever an antipiracy crusader goes with "bawww commies" bullshit. What's wrong gentlemen, can't handle some true laissez faire? Free market works both ways, mind you, and businesses are in no way more entitled for protection from the greed of customers than customers from the greed of businesses.

Well I am not even really anti pirate but when I see people say INFORMATION BELONGS TO US ALL and therefore I deserve to download witcher for free so I can write reviews about how bad it is on the internet I feel like someone spiked my drink with angel dust. Not to mention Awor tying it in with his daddy owing him a living. Priceless.

 

[janjetina]

"So, you assume that vast majority of buyers are moralfags?"

No, I assume the vast majority of pirates aren't doing it to 'test' a game out out but do so out of pure greed. They want something for free. Period.

Afterall, why pay for something when you cna get it for free?

I do it all the time. I analyze every transaction, no matter how big or small, from the value for money perspective. I test a game before I buy it, since there is a danger of getting no value for my money. I pay for good games because I got my value. Since I got my value, they will get their money.

When I was a kid during the late 80's and start of the 90's, there were only pirated games available and it was impossible to obtain original games. Of course I pirated games then. I wasn't even aware of the fact that the games (and software in general) weren't free. When the original games started selling over here, I bought only the best of them (maybe 1 game a year), as I wasn't able to afford more with my allowance. I pirated the rest and broke no laws doing it, since there were no laws concerning piracy at the time. I don't think that anti-piracy laws in Croatia are older than a decade. I started buying software when I started making money (at the university). For the people with similar background, piracy is default behaviour when it comes to software.

 

[EG]

What's there to argue?

They saw your IP/Port combination on a torrent file, along with the percentage you downloaded/uploaded.

Now they offer to settle, whether you're guilty or not, rather than have to prove it one way or the other in a court.

It's a convenience; not a fine.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

Wunderpups is a subhuman monster that thinks that it's okay for father to abandon a little baby and to not support it because defenceless babies and children need to earn their fathers first. Jesus fucking Christ. Why did I click to show the message?

Also, fuck you, you subhuman cretin. It's not about me and my father but about justice and equality in general. Everyone should get the same compensation for not being paid the money that they should get according to law, you subhuman child-abusing cretin.
If the copyrightpedo scum gets 20x the money that is owed to them, then all the others, including children of alimony-dodging parents should get the same.
By buying the politicians so that they would make laws tailored specially for them that allow only them to receive such excessive compensations, they create discrimination and loss of value for all the others, including little defenceless children. Thanks to that pedo scum these children are becoming third-class citizens in a state that exists to serve the copyrightpedo interests.

 

[EG]

Would you like a hug, Awor?

 

[el Supremo]

Wunderpups is a subhuman monster that thinks that it's okay for father to abandon a little baby and to not support it because defenceless babies and children need to earn their fathers first. Jesus fucking Christ. Why did I click to show the message?

Also, fuck you, you subhuman cretin. It's not about me and my father but about justice and equality in general. Everyone should get the same compensation for not being paid the money that they should get according to law, you subhuman child-abusing cretin.
If the copyrightpedo scum gets 20x the money that is owed to them, then all the others, including children of alimony-dodging parents should get the same.
By buying the politicians so that they would make laws tailored specially for them that allow only them to receive such excessive compensations, they create discrimination and loss of value for all the others, including little defenceless children. Thanks to that pedo scum these children are becoming third-class citizens in a state that exists to serve the copyrightpedo interests.

Shut up you whiny bitch. So your father left you? Boohoohoo!
It could be worse. He could stay. And keep making living hell every evning, roaring and smashing everything in his arm reach, in drunken stupor.
And you'd like to get some money, becouse you got happy childhood? You whiny bitch!

 

[torpid]

Wunderpups is a subhuman monster that thinks that it's okay for father to abandon a little baby and to not support it because defenceless babies and children need to earn their fathers first. Jesus fucking Christ. Why did I click to show the message?

Also, fuck you, you subhuman cretin. It's not about me and my father but about justice and equality in general. Everyone should get the same compensation for not being paid the money that they should get according to law, you subhuman child-abusing cretin.
If the copyrightpedo scum gets 20x the money that is owed to them, then all the others, including children of alimony-dodging parents should get the same.
By buying the politicians so that they would make laws tailored specially for them that allow only them to receive such excessive compensations, they create discrimination and loss of value for all the others, including little defenceless children. Thanks to that pedo scum these children are becoming third-class citizens in a state that exists to serve the copyrightpedo interests.

Shut up you whiny bitch. So your father left you? Boohoohoo!
It could be worse. He could stay. And keep making living hell every evning, roaring and smashing everything in his arm reach, in drunken stupor.
And you'd like to get some money, becouse you got happy childhood? You whiny bitch!

IT COULD BE WORSE YOUR FATHER COULDVE RAPED U IN THE ASS AND NO IM NOT SAYING HE RAPED ME IN THE ASS EVEN THO MY BUTT IS SORE BUT CHILDREN ARE GETTING RAPED IN THE ASS EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF COPYRIGHT SCUM I HATE U I HATE U