The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

[Thalstarion]

I can't think of any examples where a latter installment in a series breaking the world rules built by it's predecessors has been good. The effect is to devalue all previous rules and world building. Modern TV and gaming is littered with examples.. see the shit show around Fallout TV series.

Yeah. There's active contempt for any limitations or rules in a setting, not in the least due to the awful trend of making a protagonist into the exception for every possible rule and then pretending as if that makes for a sympathetic hero.

You see it a lot in JRPG's. Some bratty teenager is empowered with the Super Special Power that is only available to one specific person. Despite being the only individual granted it, they'll be oddly preachy and screechy towards anyone who does what needs to be done in order to survive.

You see shades of it in the game's trailer already. The previous game had many peasants having to resort to shady deals with monsters because...they're peasants. They're not genetically enhanced Witchers who can run off and fight. They're as liable to be horribly killed by monsters as they are bandits and invading armies. So why wouldn't they turn to darker powers to ensure that at least some of them can survive?

Geralt was written to understand that mentality and could be role-played in such a way as to acknowledge it without just cutting down the peasants or berating them in a petulant fit of anger.

Ciri, I suspect, will be written as the typical hysterical woman who lashes out and sneers at anyone who doesn't subscribe to her exact set of morals (which will inevitably turn out to be inconsistent).

I've seen it all before, especially in modern RPG's.

 

[Gerrard]

Plus, y'know, she should act like a person who DOES have some actual life experience. She had plenty.

She had trauma. Trauma is not life experience, regardless of what modern writing would like us to believe.

And now she's super strong and don't need no man, and fights le patriarchy. Very nuanced writing, ideal to identify with for ugly women and troons.

 

[Maxie]

Plus, y'know, she should act like a person who DOES have some actual life experience. She had plenty.

She had trauma. Trauma is not life experience, regardless of what modern writing would like us to believe.

And now she's super strong and don't need no man, and fights le patriarchy. Very nuanced writing, ideal to identify with for ugly women and troons.

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

Why does she look like someone's middle aged mom now?

 

[Maxie]

Why does she look like someone's middle aged mom now?

because the majority of video game players are white men in their teens-30s, which means that games cannot appeal to them and instead should appeal to minorities like w*men and cuckolds

 

[AwesomeButton]

Sorry, but starting what is effectively a new series (they literally called it "A New Saga Begins") with a major, established female character still isn't "DEI". The Black Widow movie isn't "DEI Captain America" and Tomb Raider isn't "DEI Uncharted".

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But the good news is, you can still hate girlboss female power fantasies without calling it DEI. It's all good.

Please split off these posts in a separate thread in Gaming Drama, titled "Is Ciri a DEI Character in Witcher 4?".

It really interferes with my following the topic of discussion.

 

[Maxie]

Sorry, but starting what is effectively a new series (they literally called it "A New Saga Begins") with a major, established female character still isn't "DEI". The Black Widow movie isn't "DEI Captain America" and Tomb Raider isn't "DEI Uncharted".

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But the good news is, you can still hate girlboss female power fantasies without calling it DEI. It's all good.

Please split off these posts in a separate thread in Gaming Drama, titled "Is Ciri a DEI Character in Witcher 4?".

It really interferes with my following the topic of discussion.

tw3 will be a decade old next year
don't choke on a dick 'discussing' the 'topic' here bozo

 

[AwesomeButton]

Sorry, but starting what is effectively a new series (they literally called it "A New Saga Begins") with a major, established female character still isn't "DEI". The Black Widow movie isn't "DEI Captain America" and Tomb Raider isn't "DEI Uncharted".

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But the good news is, you can still hate girlboss female power fantasies without calling it DEI. It's all good.

Please split off these posts in a separate thread in Gaming Drama, titled "Is Ciri a DEI Character in Witcher 4?".

It really interferes with my following the topic of discussion.

tw3 will be a decade old next year
don't choke on a dick 'discussing' the 'topic' here bozo

Who's talking to you Doggie?

 

[markec]

Sorry, but starting what is effectively a new series (they literally called it "A New Saga Begins") with a major, established female character still isn't "DEI". The Black Widow movie isn't "DEI Captain America" and Tomb Raider isn't "DEI Uncharted".

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But the good news is, you can still hate girlboss female power fantasies without calling it DEI. It's all good.

The name of the game is Witcher 4, not Ciri: A New Saga Begins. Witcher is a series about Geralt, not Ciri. Your comparison with Black Widow and Tomb Rider is nonsensical. Black Widow movie is not DEI Captain America movie, it would be if you had Captain America trilogy and in the last movie she shows up, he dies and they make Captain America 4 with her as a lead while he is dead. Tomb Rider has her own universe and would have been a DEI Uncharted if they made Uncharted 4 and put ugly , fat Lara Croft in the lead.

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But this is what they did. They are promoting Ciri and putting her in a place where she has no business being. As said this is a WITCHER game, she cant be a a Witcher. And guess what if Ciri was a young bastard prince and not a princess Witcher 4 would not star as him but it would either have a character creation where you play as a young Witcher mentored by Geralt, Geralt back as a lead, or it would not happen.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I'm not an expert on the Witcher, but if they're "altering" the lore to allow female witchers... that's probably a diversity thing.

If they alter the lore to allow female Witchers in general then I agree, especially if the story involves recruiting more of them.

If it's a process that's unique to Ciri alone due to her powers, then not so much.

They had her undertaking a ritual that was all but forgotten by the time Witcher 4 happens that apparently was never used on women before and was even incredibly deadly to men and could only be done to children as it's less lethal for the subject that way.
So yeah, having an adult women undertaking a super dangerous and forgotten alchemical ritual is altering the fluff.

They're doing to witchers what they did to Custodes and are trying to do to Space Marines.

Empress Ciri is more based and interesting than Witcher Ciri anyway. They ironically nerfed her by making her a witcher and bending the setting over a counter in the process.
Power isn't being able to swing a sword really hard. Power is getting 10,000 peasants to swing swords very hard for you.

 

[Tyranicon]

This thread:

CD Projekt completely died after their needless and egregious ESG video that they made for "no reason." You know it and I know it.

RIP, I liked the Witcher games. And yes, Empress Ciri is 1000% cooler.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

I'm not an expert on the Witcher, but if they're "altering" the lore to allow female witchers... that's probably a diversity thing.

If they alter the lore to allow female Witchers in general then I agree, especially if the story involves recruiting more of them.

If it's a process that's unique to Ciri alone due to her powers, then not so much.

They had her undertaking a ritual that was all but forgotten by the time Witcher 4 happens that apparently was never used on women before and was even incredibly deadly to men and could only be done to children as it's less lethal for the subject that way.
So yeah, having an adult women undertaking a super dangerous and forgotten alchemical ritual is altering the fluff.

They're doing to witchers what they did to Custodes and are trying to do to Space Marines.

Empress Ciri is more based and interesting than Witcher Ciri anyway. They ironically nerfed her by making her a witcher and bending the setting over a counter in the process.
Power isn't being able to swing a sword really hard. Power is getting 10,000 peasants to swing swords very hard for you.

GW even had the fucking audacity to say "But there have always been female Custodes" and goes ahead to block, ban or report anyone that actually brought receipts lore wise to prove them wrong. CDPR will probably do the same "But there have always been female Witchers, their stories have just not been ever told or "hidden" because the lore is MALE centric."

Oh well....at least the we have original The Witcher 1. I also like Witcher 2. The remake of W1 is probably going to get bastardised to hell and back anyway.

 

[Green]

If they even slightly entertein the notion that she went through the trials to sterelize herself, due to the (forgotten in W3) book plot of everyone wanting to get her pregnant, that's gonna be a new low. Bonus point when they, either way, inevitably fail to mention that she was literally turned lesbian by her rapist gf.

 

[Elttharion]

I'm not an expert on the Witcher, but if they're "altering" the lore to allow female witchers... that's probably a diversity thing.

If they alter the lore to allow female Witchers in general then I agree, especially if the story involves recruiting more of them.

If it's a process that's unique to Ciri alone due to her powers, then not so much.

They already did, in the gwent game they added a small lore blurb that the cat school modified the proccess to allow woman/girls to become witchers, tho it was suppossed to have a 90% mortality rate.

 

[Dark Souls II]

Guys it was just a typo, the protagonist of The Witcher 4 is going to be CIRNO, not Ciri. The game will be okay.

And yes, the official title will be "Witcher of Witcher 4".

 

[Serus]

3 We got far left socialists government, with a lot of incompetent woman at position of power, including such Orwellian ministries as Ministry of equity or Ministry of climate.
4 We are snowballing into becoming communist country again.
5 Presidential elections are coming and if commie government candidate win, we are fucked.

You mean: we got rid of a filthy socialist government. Our current Tuskfuhrer even calls out the climate hoax for the bullshit it is, and the previous leftard prime minister has happily voted for the Green New Deal.

That filthy "socialist" government knew how to keep budget under control (mostly)

By hiding expenses away in unaccountable schemes like PFR and BGK.

As to the Fuhrer, he does not

Yes, he does. Over the course of weeks now. I have posted about it.

I think You are smart enough to have noticed the man says one thing one day and the opposite the next day while already planning to change to a third "narrative" later in the week.

That is an apt description. Of the previous gov't. Need I remind you that they, shouting about muh nation and God and White race, handed out hundreds of thousands visas to pakis and pajeets who didn't really qualify for that visa program?

Next week we might be hearing from fuhrer T. that climate change is the biggest challenge ever before Poland.

I shall concede if it happens. For now, Der Tuskfuhrer is legit.

Decent job at trolling by Codex standards (poor trolling levels in general despite serious numbers). However next time choose the less silly and more recent claims and lies that weren't already abandoned even by their authors. Possibly even some that have some merit. The more authenticity the better troll. I mean, "hundred thousands visas to Pakis", that's a dead give away, that stuff was hilarious from the beginning and is so passe today.

As i always teach young trollings: you need to write something that isn't outright silly, crazy or dumb to deceive the target.

 

[Ryzer]

Listen chuds, Witcher was always about men being part of the problem.

 

[Falksi]

Being completely honest, I like some of what I see in the trailer, and if it was 2005 I wouldn't bat an eye at Ciri being the protag.

But the entertainment industry has made a rod off it's own back now, it's like a cheating partner who you just can't trust any more. If anything even remotely resembles woke it should be burned with fire, regardless of if it is or not at it's core. The agenda needs stopping dead, and if that means games in the middle ground get caught in the crossfire, then tough fucking shit.

We trusted devs with IPs and characters and all they did was hijack said IPs and characters to convey woke messages. They now need to fall in line with more traditional ideologies before they have won back the right to be not hated or targeted.

 

[Thalstarion]

'wat if humanz r the real monsterz ' is one of the tropes I utterly despise.

The Witcher 3 wasn't a perfect game but it did an excellent job with some of its quests. The Bloody Baron, for example, is a reprehensible individual at a glance but as part of the quests exploring his backstory you quickly learn that things were not as black or white as they appeared. I have little doubt that such characters will be sorely lacking in the upcoming sequel.

That being said, I think it is also worth pointing out that content creators are often given marching orders from their paymasters, agents and contacts in the industry. There's a high chance they're pushing the idea that anyone with concerns relating to the story and canon consistency is just a 'tourist' as a desperate attempt to deflect and silence criticism.

 

[Ryzer]

Sorry, but starting what is effectively a new series (they literally called it "A New Saga Begins") with a major, established female character still isn't "DEI". The Black Widow movie isn't "DEI Captain America" and Tomb Raider isn't "DEI Uncharted".

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But the good news is, you can still hate girlboss female power fantasies without calling it DEI. It's all good.

The name of the game is Witcher 4, not Ciri: A New Saga Begins. Witcher is a series about Geralt, not Ciri. Your comparison with Black Widow and Tomb Rider is nonsensical. Black Widow movie is not DEI Captain America movie, it would be if you had Captain America trilogy and in the last movie she shows up, he dies and they make Captain America 4 with her as a lead while he is dead. Tomb Rider has her own universe and would have been a DEI Uncharted if they made Uncharted 4 and put ugly , fat Lara Croft in the lead.

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But this is what they did. They are promoting Ciri and putting her in a place where she has no business being. As said this is a WITCHER game, she cant be a a Witcher. And guess what if Ciri was a young bastard prince and not a princess Witcher 4 would not star as him but it would either have a character creation where you play as a young Witcher mentored by Geralt, Geralt back as a lead, or it would not happen.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Sorry, but starting what is effectively a new series (they literally called it "A New Saga Begins") with a major, established female character still isn't "DEI". The Black Widow movie isn't "DEI Captain America" and Tomb Raider isn't "DEI Uncharted".

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But the good news is, you can still hate girlboss female power fantasies without calling it DEI. It's all good.

The name of the game is Witcher 4, not Ciri: A New Saga Begins. Witcher is a series about Geralt, not Ciri. Your comparison with Black Widow and Tomb Rider is nonsensical. Black Widow movie is not DEI Captain America movie, it would be if you had Captain America trilogy and in the last movie she shows up, he dies and they make Captain America 4 with her as a lead while he is dead. Tomb Rider has her own universe and would have been a DEI Uncharted if they made Uncharted 4 and put ugly , fat Lara Croft in the lead.

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But this is what they did. They are promoting Ciri and putting her in a place where she has no business being. As said this is a WITCHER game, she cant be a a Witcher. And guess what if Ciri was a young bastard prince and not a princess Witcher 4 would not star as him but it would either have a character creation where you play as a young Witcher mentored by Geralt, Geralt back as a lead, or it would not happen.

> Book is literally called the Witcher
> Books were from Geralt's perspective
> He was the main character

 

[ColaWerewolf]

To be fair if she was pretty after living as a nomadic warrior doing activities men would do, it wouldn't be realistic either.

 

[Maxie]

 

[AwesomeButton]

She wasn't exactly beautiful as a 3d face model in W3 either. Character, personality? She was pretty much a blank slate.

 

[Elttharion]

'wat if humanz r the real monsterz ' is one of the tropes I utterly despise.

The Witcher 3 wasn't a perfect game but it did an excellent job with some of its quests. The Bloody Baron, for example, is a reprehensible individual at a glance but as part of the quests exploring his backstory you quickly learn that things were not as black or white as they appeared. I have little doubt that such characters will be sorely lacking in the upcoming sequel.

That being said, I think it is also worth pointing out that content creators are often given marching orders from their paymasters, agents and contacts in the industry. There's a high chance they're pushing the idea that anyone with concerns relating to the story and canon consistency is just a 'tourist' as a desperate attempt to deflect and silence criticism.

Shaming people into buying and voting for what you want worked so well in the last few years... Thats a winning strategy right there