The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

[Danikas]

"Boris we have a problem foreign megacorporations like CDPR and Warhorse are corrupting our children minds they are promoting liberalist agenda and probably russophobia as well. Well not on my watch Im PUT-in together a team"

 

[Gargaune]

Projection from the local Cyberpunk fanboy.

The only part of Cyberpunk I've ever outright praised is the graphics, either you're confusing me with Justicar or you're still butthurt over that time I suggested CDPR hurt your butt.

They will certainly fix the 40 years old bitch CEO face of hers.

I don't see why everyone's so upset about her face, but either way, you're thinking small. The gravitational pull of Ciri's snatch will drive the greatest development of modding capabilities in UE's history. Tim Sweeney will gaze in horror and professional jealousy when he discovers just how many tentacles his engine can really render.

 

[mondblut]

They will certainly fix the 40 years old bitch CEO face of hers.

I don't see why everyone's so upset about her face

That's the only thing I saw. I'm not gonna waste 2 minutes of my life watching trailer of an action game (!) about a woman (!!!).

 

[Fedora Master]

Plus, y'know, she should act like a person who DOES have some actual life experience. She had plenty.

She had trauma. Trauma is not life experience, regardless of what modern writing would like us to believe.

Trauma or not she's supposedly a grown ass wo- Nevermind

 

[Zoo]

Not because she's a woman, but because it breaks the lore. Women witchers go against established facts

It breaks the lore because she's a woman.

Woman warriors go against established reality.

Womynz have the approximate strength of a twelve year old boy, and have zero chance competing against able-bodied men or monsters (same thing, amirite ).

Furthermore, women don't have the mentality needed for efficient conduct of fighting, battle, or war. Reflexes, pain tolerance, narrow focus on a singular target, strategic mindset, tactical mindset, reveling in the blood of your enemies, aggression - these all come with testosterone and balls.

Furthermore, women don't even want to be in a position where they have to be dirty, sweaty, bloody, getting hit in the face, being wounded, etc. etc. etc. Women want cushy, clean office jobs where they pretend to do important work for half a day, and then go back home to watch a soap opera and nurse their kids. And make sure they have immaculate nails and mascara/skin care routine/whatever.

tl;dr womynz warriors appeal to no one, especially the ugly-faced mannish ones

But it's a shared problem with virtually all fantasy RPGs, you can even have competent female fightersin Wizardry, at least it's optional. My first Wiz 8 had some females as competent hand-to-hand comvatants, but they were a draconian valkyrie and a weak, but agile hobbit ninja.

I really like the Curries' approach in the Jagged Alliance games: thete were great women markswoen, paperweigjt lesbian thief, doctors, man-hating-psycho, a car mechanic and even a badass chic with Linda's face, but all typical and atypical female mercs were credible, not powerlifter, superstar and perfect Mary Sues. A diverse cast, but not in nowadays' braindead sense.

 

[Fargus]

Poland is and has always been a mistake. Hopefully it's next on Russia's menu and Germany helps out for old time's sake.

Polacks are cockroaches. You could nuke the whole country and a week later it would still be crawling with millions of pshemeks and pyotreks ready to do any job for 1/3 of a Westerner's pay, as long as it's enough to afford gas station hot dogs and a netflix subscription. There is no other race as resilient as a polack.

They will probably just nuke themselves one day with all that accumulated butthurt energy.

 

[Drakortha]

I look at Gerald and Ciri and think, whats the difference? I always saw Gerald as a metrosexual or a closeted faggot. Guy clearly cares too much about his hair and keeping up his appearance. I dislike him for the same reason I dislike Leon Kennedy. Good riddance.

Not that I'll play this. All the Witcher games are trash.

 

[Yoomazir]

Chuddah's gonna keep winning isn't it.

 

[Thalstarion]

I always saw Gerald as a metrosexual or a closeted faggot.

He's very clearly heterosexual in both the books and the games.

His sexuality was played up even more in the first two games before the romance card mini-game was re-branded 'problematic'.

 

[Reinhardt]

considering he's a fucking mutant witcher was on bestiality train way before larian. add to this him fucking some literal monsters and bear seggs is actually pretty innocent fun.

 

[markec]

Euro-chuds really misusing the term "DEI" lately, I've noticed.

Geralt's story was over and choosing Ciri as the protagonist of a rebooted Witcher series was a pretty intuitive direction to go that many people expected. That's not DEI. You can be upset that she isn't hawt enough in the trailer, but that's not DEI either.

DEI would be if they gave Geralt a black best friend all of a sudden, or race-swapped Dandelion, or something like that.

DEI does not only mean racial diversity but gender one too, also not only diversity ingame but diversity in workplace. Like for example infesting the workplace with women that cant help but insert themselves and their modern worldview into any setting. Funny how every project from movie, comics, tv shows and games always have the same pattern when women are involved. You get a female protagonists that steals the role from the previous male protagonist, being a girlboss/Mary Sue, that is uglified and is a lesbian or bisexual that dates a minority.

And no nobody expected Witcher 4 with Ciri in lead. What fans expected was end of the Geralt Witcher saga and a new spinoff series with either Ciri that plays on her powers and not her being witcher and genderbend Geralt. Or a new series in the universe where you could create your own character either a witcher or a witch. But they wanted a preset female lead, they wanted Ciri because she was established and famous character, they wanted her to be a witcher even if it completely shits on the lore, they wanted her to replace Geralt as the new face of the franchise.

The writing on the wall for this were made obvious in last few years with all the news about focusing on DEI and employing women. I fully expected this turn of events and I only hope that the game fails miserably.

 

[kangaxx]

I look at Gerald and Ciri and think, whats the difference? I always saw Gerald as a metrosexual or a closeted faggot. Guy clearly cares too much about his hair and keeping up his appearance. I dislike him for the same reason I dislike Leon Kennedy. Good riddance.

Not that I'll play this. All the Witcher games are trash.

Soooo... a "maybe" from you then?

 

[sser]

Wondered how they were going to make a dimension-shifting demi-god the protagonist for their new game, and the answer was right in front of us – sequel depowering. It's when a character becomes a master of time and space, only for the studio to realize they've made a sequel impossible. The Avatar becomes the Titan of Ether in Ultima 8, only to return in Ultima 9 as an imbecile. Ciri is chugging potions and using a witcher's rudimentary peasant magic like its some impressive feat when its really a massive demotion from what she was.

Ciri becoming a Witcher is my least favourite ending from TW3. It just felt like pure fanfiction and wasn't in keeping with the tone of the world at all (there's always a catch). The empress ending was better suited. You bolster Ciri's independence only to lose her to her newfound responsibilities like a child flying from the nest. Making her a Witcher invalidates that growth when funnily they're trying to empower her. My pessimism also suspects she's a witcher because its the most marketable role and a male-dominated space, rather than for any legitmate reasons that align with her character development.

I don't know how it would work as Ciri, either, but my impression was that you'd be making your own Witcher and playing as them, possibly even running a 'school.'

 

[GrainWetski]

Euro-chuds really misusing the term "DEI" lately, I've noticed.

Geralt's story was over and choosing Ciri as the protagonist of a rebooted Witcher series was a pretty intuitive direction to go that many people expected. That's not DEI. You can be upset that she isn't hawt enough in the trailer, but that's not DEI either.

DEI would be if they gave Geralt a black best friend all of a sudden, or race-swapped Dandelion, or something like that.

DEI does not only mean racial diversity but gender one too, also not only diversity ingame but diversity in workplace. Like for example infesting the workplace with women that cant help but insert themselves and their modern worldview into any setting. Funny how every project from movie, comics, tv shows and games always have the same pattern when women are involved. You get a female protagonists that steals the role from the previous male protagonist, being a girlboss/Mary Sue, that is uglified and is a lesbian or bisexual that dates a minority.

And no nobody expected Witcher 4 with Ciri in lead. What fans expected was end of the Geralt Witcher saga and a new spinoff series with either Ciri that plays on her powers and not her being witcher and genderbend Geralt. Or a new series in the universe where you could create your own character either a witcher or a witch. But they wanted a preset female lead, they wanted Ciri because she was established and famous character, they wanted her to be a witcher even if it completely shits on the lore, they wanted her to replace Geralt as the new face of the franchise.

The writing on the wall for this were made obvious in last few years with all the news about focusing on DEI and employing women. I fully expected this turn of events and I only hope that the game fails miserably.

The jew must jew.

It's not real DEI to him, damnit! Filthy, disgusting devs behind the game in question be damned https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/esg/news/dei-award-for-cd-projekt/

Ah, such wonderful sights on their abyss of a site. Much worse than I thought.

https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-con...cdpr-rules-of-the-game-code-of-conduct-en.pdf
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/esg/social-responsibility/diversity-and-inclusion/
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/esg/social-responsibility/diversity-in-games/
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/esg/social-responsibility/human-rights-policy/
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/esg/news/cd-projekt-red-as-an-equal-opportunity-employer/
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/esg/social-responsibility/social-engagement/

Don't worry about ESG and DEI, though. It's obviously not real and you need to stop trusting your lying eyes!

 

[Infinitron]

Sorry, but starting what is effectively a new series (they literally called it "A New Saga Begins") with a major, established female character still isn't "DEI". The Black Widow movie isn't "DEI Captain America" and Tomb Raider isn't "DEI Uncharted".

To me, DEI is about pushing and promoting unmerited diversity into an existing storyline. Typically by creating new Mary Sue-ish minority characters, raising the profile of obscure minority characters from the backpages of the lore (effectively the same thing), or race/gender-swapping existing characters.

But the good news is, you can still hate girlboss female power fantasies without calling it DEI. It's all good.

 

[kangaxx]

I'm not an expert on the Witcher, but if they're "altering" the lore to allow female witchers... that's probably a diversity thing.

Tomb Raider is a bad comparison because '96 Lara Croft was her own badass and well done character. Modern Lara is a sign of the times though, retconned into a whiny, emotionally incontinent girl with daddy issues on an extended gap year. The opposite of the original character.

 

[Infinitron]

I'm not an expert on the Witcher, but if they're "altering" the lore to allow female witchers... that's probably a diversity thing.

If they alter the lore to allow female Witchers in general then I agree, especially if the story involves recruiting more of them.

If it's a process that's unique to Ciri alone due to her powers, then not so much.

 

[Thalstarion]

Ciri is very much the definition of a mary sue, though. She's one of the worst parts of both the books and the games.

A lot of men also simply have a straight up personal preference for playing as a guy, rather than a woman. Geralt was a fairly likable protagonist and even if someone did happen to like Ciri as she was portrayed during the previous game, her voice, appearance and personality has shifted considerably if the cinematic is any indication.

Combine that with the company in question doubling down on DEI ideology by their own admission, nothing about this feels authentic. Especially when they lash out when concerns are raised by potential and existing customers.

 

[NecroLord]

If they alter the lore to allow female Witchers in general then I agree, especially if the story involves recruiting more of them.

Oh, it'll happen alright.

 

[kangaxx]

I'm not an expert on the Witcher, but if they're "altering" the lore to allow female witchers... that's probably a diversity thing.

If they alter the lore to allow female Witchers in general then I agree, especially if the story involves recruiting more of them.

If it's a process that's unique to Ciri alone due to her powers, then not so much.

I can't think of any examples where a latter installment in a series breaking the world rules built by it's predecessors has been good. The effect is to devalue all previous rules and world building. Modern TV and gaming is littered with examples.. see the shit show around Fallout TV series.

 

[Robber Baron]

The stories of Ciri and Geralt were concluded in 3. We made our farewells, making a new game about Ciri THE witcher is just anticlimatic, Ciri as a character is so ABOVE being a mere witcher

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

If they alter the lore to allow female Witchers in general then I agree, especially if the story involves recruiting more of them.

Oh, it'll happen alright.

Its willfully naive to believe that a company entrenched with DEI will produce anything but a DEI standard product.

 

[Gandalf]

Is it even confirmed that Ciri is a real biological woman in the games so far?

 

[Terra]

Will reserve judgement on the game since I enjoyed past entries and Cyberpunk BUT community forum bans and the most recent dev team photo I recall being full of danger hairs mean this'll be under heavy scrutiny and the early warning signs are there. Would be interesting to see a staff listing from W3 versus now for a clear picture of what to expect, alongside any recent DEI fellatio from CDPR from recent years (which I now see some was posted earlier in this page).

Felt that W3 wrapped Geralt, Yennefer & Ciri's stories, whichever ending was chosen but it is inevitable these days that developers never see the value in that and risk (or deliberately) tarnishing the legacy, so nothing about the situation so far is particularly surprising.

 

[Maxie]