The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

[Fargus]

The Toiletpshek Redemption, season 7 now on Netflix

 

[Cohesion]

It sounds as awkward to read as some of the stuff George R.R Martin and Stephen King put out there. Kind of sad, really - I used to be an avid reader but even as a kid a lot of stuff in fantasy novels made me raise an eyebrow and I turned to video games instead. Now they're also being less than subtle in regards to the weird kinks of the writers.

As discussed in various other threads, I think there's a very arguable theory that nerds in general stopped reading as they age, because the publishing houses and various apparatuses of adult lit have been throughly colonized by shit, like all media.

When you look at older stuff, there's so much quality available. Then you look at new fantasy/sci-fi and it's all reminiscent of modern Hugo Award winners.

The only modern fantasy novels I've read are from Andrzej Sapkowski, Witold Jabłoński, George R. R. Martin and Scott R. R. Bakker (why do so many authors steal Tolkien's R. R.?) and while none of them conceals his fetishes, they still deliver better writing that 90% of the fantasy writers of old, save for Tolkien, Zelazny, Howard and several others. I think I can live with a few kinks if it gets me good reading.

Try Malazan Book of the Fallen.

 

[Ol' Willy]

What about Glen Cook and Black Company?

 

[Keshik]

Ciri is pretty but not in a porn way you losers would want to see.

People get too hung up on wanting hot women in games.

 

[Cohesion]

Ciri is pretty but not in a porn way you losers would want to see.

People get too hung up on wanting hot women in games.

It's the other way around. We don't want unholy modern era abominations in our games.

 

[Frozen]

Ciri is pretty but not in a porn way you losers would want to see.

People get too hung up on wanting hot women in games.

I was thinking she was described as pretty in books and look so in TW3 but not porn "pretty" like most cosplay whores want to portray her to appease to thirsty loosers.

This in TW4 is not ugly but weird. She looks like middle aged Fox or CNN anchor with a lot of fillers trying to look younger.

Either way it's like the most irrelevant thing and not the reason this game will be shit.

 

[Quillon]

porn "pretty" like most cosplay whores want to portray her to appease to thirsty loosers.

then every attractive character is "porn pretty" since they seem to be cosplaying everything

reminds me that Obs posted cosplay guides for characters from TOW(and now probably Avowed?) and I've seen zero cosplays of them so far

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Ok, fuck CDProjektRed! I love W3 and enjoyed CP2077, but making a female protagonist in an action RPG is dumb beyond words. Women generally don't enjoy these types of games, so you are forcing the majority of your players (who are male) to immerse themselves as a chick? No, thanks. At least in CP2077, you had a choice between male and female. Good luck with your sales, woke retards.

Oh and also, if anyone read the books/played the games/watched the show, Geralt was an interesting character, a cynical "unwilling" anti-hero, spouting communist-era inspired commentary on the world. Meanwhile, Ciri was a background prop, something for Geralt and Yennefer to chase after, with not much personality or anything. A straight up Mary Sue.

 

[udm]

Is it just me or did they use Millie Bobby Brown as the model for Ciri? It's annoying enough seeing her everywhere on the big screen, now she's in games too.

 

[Zlaja]

Both Witcher sequels are all about "muh cinematic experience", and playing a game like that with an unattractive female lead would be kinda annoying. It's not like the game is gonna distract you with great writing, excellent combat, or stellar character upgrade system (not even W3 had any of that).

 

[jaekl]

If the way women look isn't important then why do they keep making them look uglier than they used to be? Seems strange since it's so unimportant that there would be such a concerted effort to change it across all forms of media.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Ciri is pretty but not in a porn way you losers would want to see.

Her TW3 look is accurate for 21yo girl.

We have no clue how old she should be in that new trailer and if she did undergo mutations that could also explain her face/sex change.

Apologists are defending the portrayal of Ciri again. We don't know how old she is? She's a half-elf, so she could hardly age.

No she's not. While she has some elven blood, at this point in her family it's so thin it really doesn't interfere with the aging process. Ciri's grandmother, queen of Cintra Calanthe, aged in a regular human way. Ciri's parents, princess Pavetta and later Emperor Emphyr var Emreis are both humans, thinning her elven bloodline even more.

She has magic, and every mage looks artificially gorgeous.

That's not how it works. Adult professional mages are able to stop the aging process and modify their looks, but Ciri never reached that level. Outside the basic training granted to her by Triss and Yennefer she never got a magic education.

No, Ciri's look is strictly due to ideology.

No, you've just failed at a lore skillcheck.

If you dig up Twitter comments from current CD Projekt Red staff, you can find out their political views. There's no doubt they're fully committed to the "message" and the worst kind of woke possible.

Even if they are, Ciri's aging process is completely lore accurate.

 

[Average Manatee]

Not a Witcher lore pro but isn't it stated somewhere that all sorceresses "enhance" their beauty with magic? So Ciri as a vastly more magically powerful girl would certainly do the same

 

[Lord_Potato]

Never trust a woman on judging another woman's beauty.

Ciri was still a kid at the time she said it, when Yen became her mother essentially. Ciri's scar is supposedly horrific tho, which CDPR didn't make it so in W3; they shrugged it away with Geralt commenting her scar's healing beautifully and Ciri saying Avallach giving her remedies iirc, how times change.

CIri's scar is there but it's not making her particularly hideous. Lancelot still considered her hot despite the scar

 

[Lord_Potato]

Not a Witcher lore pro but isn't it stated somewhere that all sorceresses "enhance" their beauty with magic? So Ciri as a vastly more magically powerful girl would certainly do the same

Only if they know the proper spells/have access to the materials needed, like the ointment Glamarye that Yennefer uses for special occasions to enhance her already modified looks.

It's not like having magical talents already grants you knowledge of spells. Sapkowski's spellcasters are AD&D mages, not sorcerors.

 

[Frozen]

Not a Witcher lore pro but isn't it stated somewhere that all sorceresses "enhance" their beauty with magic? So Ciri as a vastly more magically powerful girl would certainly do the same

It's because of prestige. Same reason male mages tend to stop the clock at middle age or older. If Ciri is a Witcher it would not make sense for a woman Witcher to look all dressed up and super-hot. No peasant would think she is good at killing monsters.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Not a Witcher lore pro but isn't it stated somewhere that all sorceresses "enhance" their beauty with magic? So Ciri as a vastly more magically powerful girl would certainly do the same

Sorry, bro. CDPR's Ciri is taking a stand for body positivity))

 

[shimadamada]

Ciri is pretty but not in a porn way you losers would want to see.

People get too hung up on wanting hot women in games.

It's the other way around. We don't want unholy modern era abominations in our games.

I bet she looks better than your mom did when she was young.

 

[Average Manatee]

Only if they know the proper spells/have access to the materials needed, like the ointment Glamarye that Yennefer uses for special occasions to enhance her already modified looks.

It's not like having magical talents already grants you knowledge of spells. Sapkowski's spellcasters are AD&D mages, not sorcerors.

Ciri could easily obtain that knowledge.

Not a Witcher lore pro but isn't it stated somewhere that all sorceresses "enhance" their beauty with magic? So Ciri as a vastly more magically powerful girl would certainly do the same

It's because of prestige. Same reason male mages tend to stop the clock at middle age or older. If Ciri is a Witcher it would not make sense for a woman Witcher to look all dressed up and super-hot. No peasant would think she is good at killing monsters.

Think its more vanity than anything, which would still remain for a woman-witcher. It's not like peasants take Geralt seriously based on his looks, they wait until he kills either some monster or a bunch of town thugs. The idea that Ciri would intentionally choose to look ugly is silly.

 

[Frozen]

No, Sapkowsky explained it just like that. Sorceresses are vain but main reason they look hot and pretty is pure business.

 

[Hace El Oso]

Despite all the shit edgelords give it, CDProjektRed is still in my good graces, since W3 and CP2077 are both good games. So they shall remain until demonstrated otherwise.

It’s very difficult to feign ignorance that everybody (excepting Riddler, perhaps, I don’t know his position) who ‘agreed’ with this post is an outspoken liberal, politically.

 

[lukaszek]

Not a Witcher lore pro but isn't it stated somewhere that all sorceresses "enhance" their beauty with magic? So Ciri as a vastly more magically powerful girl would certainly do the same

its basically horrific plastic surgery, not self performed

 

[AwesomeButton]

Ciri is just a plot device as a magic mcguffin.

I'm with you on all points, but regarding this one specifically. If it wasn't for the woke turn CDPR's company culture has taken, if it was the same company from 2014, I would have said, let them take the blank slate called Ciri and develop her. But for the CDPR of today, I'm obviously not an optimist.

In the segments of the Red Baron questline (and also beyond somewhat but mostly there), the writers have succeeded in imbuing Ciri with a character of her own, and in convincing the player to side with the character's motivation. Ciri is shown as selfless, possessing a strong sense for moral justice, protective of the weak, and willing to go into confrontation in order to uphold these principles. She is quite the kind of person you would expect Vesemir and Geralt to have raised.

If you notice, these are pretty much the qualities of the Knight of the Round Table. And players generally liked Ciri because these are a man's ideal qualities, plus it's a pretty young girl they are attached to. The stain on the picture is of course the gameplay, because in order to demonstrate how powerful she is, they've made her way too easy to play.

But how much of that character will be retained? In my opinion CDPR of 2024 can't be trusted with this character.

 

[AwesomeButton]

What about Glen Cook and Black Company?

Since you mentioned it, my feeling is the only good part in black company is the first book. Also, knowing that the guy was narrating his experience of Vietnam ruined much of the atmosphere for me.

It's quite possible that the problem is with my baggage as a reader. At this point I'm fed up with "subversion, morally grey, much intelligent, wow" style. Anyone can subvert, it's the easiest thing in the world. What's tough is to try, in good faith, to match Tolkien mastery of language, the richness of his pallete of chracters, and then use these to narrate a story dealing with the ethernal questions. How does that compare to "The world is shit and then we are betrayed and we die - look ma, I came up with a realistic grimdark plot".

 

[Grauken]

What about Glen Cook and Black Company?

Since you mentioned it, my feeling is the only good part in black company is the first book. Also, knowing that the guy was narrating his experience of Vietnam ruined much of the atmosphere for me.

Glen Cook never participated in the Vietnam war, nor any other for that matter. He did service in the U.S. Navy