The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

[Ryzer]

Did the author even write anything about Ciri? or is this videogame employee writing?

The author finds the Netflix series excellent, so believe me you don't want his opinion on the matter.

 

[Old Hans]

Name a top notch game with a fixed female main character... I'll wait

Tomb Raider, Control , Resident Evil 3, Mirrors Edge and Alien Isolation.

Control is pretentious slop, Resident Evil is a retarded normie console pap (oooh aaah is so spoopy :soyface: ) and Mirrors Edge is hipster boredom simulator. Haven't played Alien Isolation.

I'm old, I was there when Tomb Raider came out, it blew everybody's mind, it was a true gaming pioneer and an genuine masterpiece. One of the Hall of Famers, no debate.

what a load of POPPYCOCK! Control was really fun.

 

[Storyfag]

Did the author even write anything about Ciri? or is this videogame employee writing?

Ciri is a character from the original novels, if that is what you're asking.

 

[Wasteland]

Here's a blurb from Red Country, which I believe is book four of First Law:

Yea the standalone First Law books aren't very good but the original trilogy is great. You're missing out.

I'm sure that's true. I trust you. My post is a commentary on the environment that would entice a publisher to advertise a book with a blurb like that. A female protagonist is one thing--not to my taste, but at least hypothetically it's workable. But presenting a woman as some sort of grizzled Charles Bronson archetype, even if only in the marketing materials, is the height of cringe.

It seems the entire industry is geared around appealing to Twitter activists and tranny-adjacent reddit nerds. From what I've heard over the last few years, genre fiction is even worse in that respect than AAA gaming. Not that this comes as a surprise to any of us here, I'm just cataloguing yet another example.

 

[Falksi]

The Witcher 4 devs address backlash following Ciri’s reveal as main character​

“I think there’s many very valid worries and responses, because I think a lot of them come out of passion, and I think a lot of those questions are also questions that we asked ourselves,” began Weber.

The narrative director then asserted that the dev team are “beholden to the lore” and the “canon of the books” created by Andrzej Sapkowski. Adding that they “really want to respect that.”

He further noted how they are not “suddenly making up stuff just because we want to. We really want to take these things seriously.”

He wrapped up the conversation by adding, “I think the best answer for us, for those people that really are worried right now, is basically to show them, when we are ready, that we really do this well and with care. And I hope we can then convince them with the game itself. Actions speak louder than words.”

https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/the-...owing-ciris-reveal-as-main-character-3011687/

 

[Reinhardt]

But presenting a woman as some sort of grizzled Charles Bronson archetype, even if only in the marketing materials, is the height of cringe.

in red country she's not. she killed someone before but that's all. old man is real monster. literally first encounter with people who burned farm. he just says "stay out of my way". wommyn is like "sure, whatever" thinking he will just distract them and she's stronk indypindy girlboss who will do all the work. and then he starts killing and enjoying it and she just watch with open mouth.

 

[Storyfag]

The Witcher 4 devs address backlash following Ciri’s reveal as main character​

“I think there’s many very valid worries and responses, because I think a lot of them come out of passion, and I think a lot of those questions are also questions that we asked ourselves,” began Weber.

The narrative director then asserted that the dev team are “beholden to the lore” and the “canon of the books” created by Andrzej Sapkowski. Adding that they “really want to respect that.”

He further noted how they are not “suddenly making up stuff just because we want to. We really want to take these things seriously.”

He wrapped up the conversation by adding, “I think the best answer for us, for those people that really are worried right now, is basically to show them, when we are ready, that we really do this well and with care. And I hope we can then convince them with the game itself. Actions speak louder than words.”

https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/the-...owing-ciris-reveal-as-main-character-3011687/

It is probably marketing babble, but we shall see. At least there's no "oh noes, the CHUDS are attacking! Circle the wagons!"

 

[Pink Eye]

Normally I'm fine with female leads, for instance I loved BloodRayne, just look at this chick:



^she's bad ass, sexy, cool, and just awesome with her one liners in the games.

Rayne is a very fun character, she has all the good traits that defines an action hero. It also doesn't hurt that she's cute:

However, in this political climate where chicks are made ugly, weird, bisexual or whatever, and or other woke crap, in order to push some stupid message that repulses my sensibilities; yeah, no thanks bro, I'm good.

Also, one of my Vermintide friends lost his mind over this whole Ciri business and got perma banned from the steam forums for this game - I really can't blame him, it's all so tiring with the current political climate. I find it crazy how games are getting more and more woke, yet, people like me aren't allowed to discuss or even talk about the political elements which are being pushed to the masses, without getting removed from the discussion in the process. I really do hate some of the game devs out there. I really do. They act with the smugness and pretentious of a primadonna while lacking all the charisma of one. They shove their stupid politics into video games then arrogantly tell us to fuck off if we attempt to express dissatisfaction - it doesn't make sense to me how the video game industry is the only one where business can do this to their paying customers. They censor you if you exercise the only power you have: shitposting and discussing. They think they're so smart and morally superior because it's so progressive to be woke.

I just think it's the worst. I really do.

I hope this game fails on the principle of it going woke and the developers censoring self expression.

 

[Old Hans]

The Witcher 4 devs address backlash following Ciri’s reveal as main character​

“I think there’s many very valid worries and responses, because I think a lot of them come out of passion, and I think a lot of those questions are also questions that we asked ourselves,” began Weber.

The narrative director then asserted that the dev team are “beholden to the lore” and the “canon of the books” created by Andrzej Sapkowski. Adding that they “really want to respect that.”

He further noted how they are not “suddenly making up stuff just because we want to. We really want to take these things seriously.”

He wrapped up the conversation by adding, “I think the best answer for us, for those people that really are worried right now, is basically to show them, when we are ready, that we really do this well and with care. And I hope we can then convince them with the game itself. Actions speak louder than words.”

https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/the-...owing-ciris-reveal-as-main-character-3011687/

I love the faux drama that constantly shows up in modern video game space, where developers feel the need to set the record straight after some guy named Piss_Drinker69 complains on twitter

 

[Reinhardt]

guy named Piss_Drinker69

stop doxxing developers

 

[Lord_Potato]

I hope this game fails on the principle of it going woke and the developers censoring self expression.

You mean devs in CDPR are censoring their own self-expression? How that would even work? Is there any evidence of such censorship?

 

[Infinitron]

 

[DannyRope]

^she's bad ass, sexy, cool, and just awesome with her one liners in the games.

Rayne is a very fun character, she has all the good traits that defines an action hero. It also doesn't hurt that she's cute:

You've unlocked a core memory. My first girlfriend took Rayne as nickname after that character, oddly enough I never came around to playing either of the BloodRayne games. I might get them on GOG, just for the sake of curiosity.

 

[Ryzer]

Epic level of cringe & Slav-larping )))

 

[PsihoKekec]

Here's a blurb from Red Country, which I believe is book four of First Law:

The original trilogy is solid, Red Country is a third standalone book and is regarded as the worst of the lot (Medieval Western WTF). In general through the books, while there are some woman fighters (especially Best Served Cold), in general the attitude is ''let the men do the dirty job''.


As for the new Witcher, they are aiming for the wider audiences, which was always the bad sign, but in this time and age it means there is 100% chance this will turn into rancid pile of shit that even the coprophiles would stay clear off.

 

[Harthwain]

Did the author even write anything about Ciri? or is this videogame employee writing?

The author finds the Netflix series excellent, so believe me you don't want his opinion on the matter.

He likely said that, because he wants to avoid another medial clash, like the one he had when he was criticizing CDPR's work on The Witcher. So this time he keeps smiling, while taking the money. Which probably is better deal for him, because his thoughts on anything game-related were terrible and showed how out of touch man he is.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Here's a blurb from Red Country, which I believe is book four of First Law:

Yea the standalone First Law books aren't very good but the original trilogy is great. You're missing out.

I'm sure that's true. I trust you. My post is a commentary on the environment that would entice a publisher to advertise a book with a blurb like that. A female protagonist is one thing--not to my taste, but at least hypothetically it's workable. But presenting a woman as some sort of grizzled Charles Bronson archetype, even if only in the marketing materials, is the height of cringe.

It seems the entire industry is geared around appealing to Twitter activists and tranny-adjacent reddit nerds. From what I've heard over the last few years, genre fiction is even worse in that respect than AAA gaming. Not that this comes as a surprise to any of us here, I'm just cataloguing yet another example.

The major issue is that it is easier to write entertaining male characters than female ones.

For dudes, you just take archetypal Conan/Snake Plissken/whatever, load enough T and you're good to go. Can't go wrong with it

But with chicks, you can't do that. It will look retarded. But this is exactly what modern "authors" do - they write a male character and then just gender swap him to be a chick. Which of course fits nicely within the current judaic narrative of destroying the gender roles

Let's sketch up a reverse Conan for a chick character. You have the village slaughtered by some ebul necromancer, who with his people kills everyone while some smol girl is hiding in some shack. Necromancer may have failed to spot her or just ignored her because she's a girl anyway, not a threat.

She wanders forth, meeting a group of barbarians who decide to take her in to help with various smol chores. Over time, she shows skill in sneaking, stealing and dagger; while barbarians don't use sneaking and daggers because they consider it gay, they don't mind having a rogue character with them. In battles, she can sneak and take out the archers so barbarians may enjoy their melee without interruptions.

Over time she tells them about her past and how she wants to revenge. While barbarians are glad to help - revenge is sacred - they can't as they don't know shit about necromancers. So she ventures away, using the scraps of knowledge she has to find the guy, thus, coming to some settlement which is the domain of the said necromancer, while acquiring the +3 dagger which could kill the guy.

There, she blends in, joins up, and makes her way up the "corporate" ladder, using intrigue, backstabbing and skill to rise up. She makes it to the top and ready to meet the necromancer, who is considering her for a job of his trusted lieutenant. In the decisive moment he recognizes her and tries to enthrall her (could do like Thulsa in the movie with "my son"), but she remembers her family and breaks the spell. Necromancer, being immune to regular weapons, defiantly lowers his defenses when she shoves the dagger into his guts - a cheesy moment of him realizing that he was struck by a +3 weapon - and then he goes.

We just sketched up a female character who doesn't act like a man, was it so hard?

 

[Ghost Of Iron]

Except that the quest for revenge and the desire for justice it stems from is an inherently masculine quality. If you were to write a realistic female character she would just marry a guy from the group of Barbarians she met up with, have their children, and forget about her past altogether.

Regardless of that issue, though, the real problem that no one is addressing (or likely will address) is that CDPR doubtlessly is not going to improve the mind numbingly terrible combat in Witcher 3 so who cares about this game anyway? It's just going to be another movie game, with likely even less character building depth and worse combat than its predecessor. There are better games to play.

 

[cvv]

The author finds the Netflix series excellent, so believe me you don't want his opinion on the matter.

He likely said that, because he wants to avoid another medial clash

That plus a likely clause in his contract that either requires him to promote the show or at least forbidding him from badmouthing it.

 

[Storyfag]

Except that the quest for revenge and the desire for justice it stems from is an inherently masculine quality.

IDK, man. Women can be horribly vengeful over the pettiest of things.

 

[Reinhardt]

Medieval Western WTF

nothing wrong with medieval westerns. even howard had westerns about conan.

 

[Gerrard]

Witcher
In
Name
Only

Forgotten realms is a shitty setting but it's basically an open sandbox for Larian to do what they want. The Witcher is not. It's an established lore and CDPR already seems like they're going to be disrespecting it and start making up their own shit.

They already did that multiple times.

 

[Skinwalker]

Is Ciri protagonist a good idea?

No.

/thread

 

[Justicar]

That plus a likely clause in his contract that either requires him to promote the show or at least forbidding him from badmouthing it.

Mark Hamill handled that pretty well



WINK

 

[Skinwalker]

Mark Hamill is a shitlib twitter bitch, but he clearly wasn't happy with being reduced to a useless old man who failed at everything and just gave up, and then distracted the not-empire with a literal magic trick and died for buttfuck no reason.

When you put the pieces together in The Last Joker, you almost feel impressed at how spiteful and malicious Ryan Johnson is. He knows he's handing this series off to a different director, and goes out of his way to not only nuke every plot twist and intrigue that he got from The Farce Awakens, but to kill off Luke unnecessarily so that the next director can't use this character. You could literally cut Luke's last scene in the film about five seconds earlier, and then you wouldn't see him dissolve into nothing and Luke could be a character in The Rise of Skinwalker.

He made sure to make this impossible. Purposefully. Out of spite. While cackling to himself like a maniac.