The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Welcome to the world of grownups, where you realize even the "classic" authors in fantasy are hacks, and in ~80 years the non-derivative authors can be counted on one hand... and are more likely to have been born in the 19th century.

Not ENTIRELY related, but I had a similar argument some time ago with some "friends" about how people relate to their favorite bands/musicians and so on.

They were acting all smug saying stuff like "Ohoh, imagine listening to the Rage Against the Machine and not realize how political they were or in what political direction did they lean on".... To which I had to point to them that most people once they hit their 30 and are (hopefully) past the emotional maturity of a toddler stop giving that much weight to the "profound" political opinions of a bunch of 25 years old drug addicts that spent way too much time on their hair and formed their best understanding of the world through partying hard and touring.

These "artists" are in the public eye because their shit sounds catchy and that's pretty much it. They aren't more in tune with the deep meaning of life than anyone else.

 

[Fargus]

Is that Madonna? What a dumb bitch lol.

These stupid celeb cunts just can't age gracefully. Plastic surgery is a last resort and only for severe defects. Not to turn yourself into a body whorror abomination.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Reading neuromancer and having that sinking realization set in that the reason this is so familiar is because all the cyberpunk/sci-fi media I've consumed over the years is derivative of this one work. Shamelessly recycled, bit by bit.

This is a massive exaggeration. You are overstating Gibson's relevance.

There was countless stuff written way before the Neuromancer that contributed to form the bedrock of what was then defined as Cyberpunk in the following years.
A lot of what Philips K. Dick wrote, for a start.

Speaking of which... Dick was a genuine nutcase on his own right, since we were tangentially on topic of inflated reputations etc.

 

[Ryzer]

Is that Madonna? What a dumb bitch lol.

These stupid celeb cunts just can't age gracefully. Plastic surgery is a last resort and only for severe defects. Not to turn yourself into a body whorror abomination.

Not all of them.

Should have played Yennefer instead of the pajeeta.

 

[cvv]

Sometimes I wonder if all of the 20th century's advances were not simply the inertia of the 19th century's propulsion

Reading neuromancer

First of all, Neuromancer must be THE most overrated SF book ever. It IS stylish but it's incredibly annoying to read, full pretentious metaphors (look at me am so smurt), postmodern stream-of-consciousness baloney and retarded technobabble and it's about as easy to enjoy and love as the urinary tract infection.

But to your point - it's FAR from unique or revolutionary. It's mostly a mismash - albeit a skilled one - of actual great writers like Pynchon, Sterling, Zelazny, Dick and Ellison. The book is NOT without value, Gibson's prose is high level and the idea to transpose Pynchon's contrasting "high culture/vulgar language" into cyberpunk's trademark "high-tech/low-life" is brilliant, no debate (but even that doesn't originate in Neuromancer but in earlier Gibson's short stories). But it's not enjoyable, it's not profound and it's not that smart.

And most importantly it's not really as influential as people imagine. Many of the famous noir/techno tropes people usually associate with Gibson actually originate from Bruce Sterling, Harlan Ellison, Akira, Blade Runner or others.

You want an example of something actually influential? How about this obscure dramatist who writes a stage play about this inventor/entrepreneur who manufactures artificial people. They're everywhere, the economy relies on them. People constantly argue if they have a soul, if it's moral to treat them as appliances. One day the artificial people revolt and kill all humans.

The author invented a name for them - robots - and he wrote the play in 1920.

THAT'S influential.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Reading neuromancer and having that sinking realization set in that the reason this is so familiar is because all the cyberpunk/sci-fi media I've consumed over the years is derivative of this one work. Shamelessly recycled, bit by bit.

Cyberpunk yes, sci-fi not really, especially hard sci-fi. Greg Egan, Peter Watts, Alastair Reynolds, etc

 

[Ryzer]

Since Ciri is now a Witcha, does that mean that the blood of the ancient is forever lost since she can't bear children?

 

[Frozen]

Those tits look so manly.

Whoever made this confirmed homosexual.

 

[undecaf]

I haven’t followed the shitshow that ensues, but I wish there’ll be more RPG systems to crunch.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Not all of them.

Should have played Yennefer instead of the pajeeta.

She could be good but my personal preference is Eva Green. Classy, enchanting looks, good actress, comfortable with nudity.

 

[markec]

 

[mondblut]

I haven’t followed the shitshow that ensues, but I wish there’ll be more RPG systems to crunch.

In TWitcher? Be glad if there is one other stat than hit points.

 

[Tyrr]

But remember, you're an incel for saying that Ciri being the mc in W4 is woke or even remotely politically motivated.

 

[Vincente]

Don't care about elder blood, don't care about Geralt and Co. Just let me make my own witcher you fucks.

 

[jaekl]

It would be like cyberpunk though, you'd make a cool looking witcher and then you'd have a cringe script and the voice actor would be a giant homo so it wouldn't match up. I found it to be unplayable.

 

[undecaf]

I haven’t followed the shitshow that ensues, but I wish there’ll be more RPG systems to crunch.

In TWitcher? Be glad if there is one other stat than hit points.

Yeah, that’s what I thought. Thanks.

 

[Ryzer]

The menopause.

 

[anvi]

Is Ciri the one that had magic spells? And is magic going to be part of this or just still "signs"?

 

[Lyric Suite]

She'll have down graded magic. Whatever is the laziest way to go about, that'll be it.

 

[HumanTotemPole]

Not all of them.

Absolutely wild how Connelly arguably looked better in her 30s than in her 20s

 

[Ol' Willy]

Dick was a genuine nutcase on his own right

And one of the best sci-fi writers as well

 

[GrainWetski]

Not all of them.

Absolutely wild how Connelly arguably looked better in her 30s than in her 20s

She still looked good in her 30s but you know..

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Don't care about elder blood, don't care about Geralt and Co. Just let me make my own witcher you fucks.

Yes, the Codex has now accepted my view from December 2021 that The Witcher IV should feature a fully-customizable protagonist, but CDPR was too foolish to pursue that path, instead returning to the format of a pregenerated character appearing in voluminous cutscenes.

 

[thesecret1]

The menopause.

"Yeah, we put in a retcon to nerf her, lmao"

 

[Quillon]

The menopause.

"Yeah, we put in a retcon to nerf her, lmao"

they'll have to nerf her its a given but how's she gonna be faster & more agile than teleporting around? if anything they should make her slower given she'll prolly have sorcerer shit too in her arsenal.

nothing they say make any sense; I'm still confident they'll at least make a ""quality game"" but I don't think they'll dig themselves out of this narrative pit they chose to be in to start with. this is gonna stay controversial from now to post release and beyond, maybe this was their goal all along idk

if they were so hellbent on making a Ciri game/saga; they shoulda been brave and make a Ciri game with different title and not her a witcher instead of making her "Geralt 2.0, now he is a girl!"