The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

[Ryzer]

Why is it called the Witcher if Cirilla is the protagonist? Shouldn't it be called the Witch?

Witches? Witcheress? Witcheresses?

Why complicate things? Just use Bitcher.

Bitch: her

Also it will be pozzed as hell, their talent went off to found Rebel Wolves and they're left with activists and troons.

Imagine losing millions of $ on building RedEngine, which is a very capable, powerful engine only for 3 games because you lost all the top programmers and forgot to train the new ones on it.

 

[Harthwain]

Yes, "witcher" is just a low paid job for the main character, the saga isn't about monster hunting

The short stories are. The saga grew from that, if I remember correctly.

It depends on what the narrative is. If the narrative is centered around elements of Ciri's backstory, then no.

If you create the narrative that is centered around elements of Ciri's backstory, then you obviously need Ciri. But the argument was that with proper narrative you can make a blank-slate character work, too. Meaning there would be no reason for a narrative that is centered around Ciri. Unless you need Ciri, because you need Ciri...

 

[Lagole Gon]

Here's a fact semi-related to the discussion of Ciri's looks on RPG Codex.
When Street Fighter 6 trailers were coming out, we had people serious arguing that character designs are prudish.
At this point we had the leaked Cammy in classic costume critical art video.

I want you to take a good long look at her vagina trying to slip out of her slutty swimming suit... and think about the standards some people have.

 

[moon knight]

The short stories are.

They are not. I can count on my fingers the number of moments Geralt goes monster hunting, and it's often just an excuse or a framing device by Sapkowski to tell a different story.

But the argument was that with proper narrative you can make a blank-slate character work, too.

Yes, maybe. But I'm not sure. How can you develop a narrative that is character driven with a generic custom protagonist? Most of the time RPGs with custom protagonist focus on telling stories about the world or defeating a bigger evil (and The Witcher isn't about that, it's not that kind of fantasy), they are never centered around the protagonist himself. Which is the reason CDPR stucked Silverhand in the protagonist's head in Cyberpunk.

 

[Storyfag]

How can you develop a narrative that is character driven with a generic custom protagonist?

Ever played BG1 and 2? Or Bloodlines?

 

[jaekl]

Ok... Alright... let's do this... that's fucken enough!! I've had it up to HERE with you pieces of shit saying bad stuff about my fair lady ciri so if I hear one more FUCKING word about her or how mean, frowny old ladies aren't the hottest babes on the planet or if you say anything derogatory about any digital divas, then I will start to fucking flip out all over this thread!!

I'm drawing a line in the sand. Right here, right now...
________________________________________

Any man who crosses it... grrrr... i hope youre prepared to face the wrath of my flames because you are going to be taking a licking but don't expect to keep on ticking - not after i'm through with you. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...

PS: If any cute rpgcodex girls want to send me any pictures of any body parts that you may want me to see or set up an interview with me about my good deeds towards the pretend women of video games, please pm me. I'm here to put a stop to the injustices done to your'e gender.

 

[Dr Skeleton]

Geralt is THE Witcher, that's what Sapkowski intended with this title.

You are retarded, The Witcher as the title of the series is an invention of CDPR, Sapkowski never used the title Wiedzmin except for his first ever story

It's not an invention of CDPR, it's far older. The first edition of the Witcher Saga in Polish has "book X of the Witcher Saga" in big red letters on each book. The Witcher Saga likely only exists BECAUSE of that earlier popularity and name recognition of Wiedźmin / the Witcher in the 90s fantasy circles in Poland, and by "the Witcher" I mean Geralt the Witcher specifically. You could maybe say that Sapkowski didn't originally intent this and it was only because the publisher and readers demanded it, but that's how it went. I think Sapkowski once said he wanted to kill Geralt early on, way before writing the Saga, but you don't kill the goose that lays golden eggs, the guy made his career selling books about the Witcher that everyone recognized as books about the Witcher, not as individual titles set in a world that happens to have the Witcher in them, even if the content of the books isn't just about the Witcher.
I imagine the decision to have Geralt as the protagonist in the games instead of a custom witcher player character largely came down to the same thing - recognition. People recognized THE Witcher and less people would have wanted to play as a witcher rather than the Witcher. I'd rather have a game where you play as a custom no-name witcher who makes his own story in the game, without endlessly recycling the same set of characters Sapkowski created, but that's probably not happening.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Ok... Alright... let's do this... that's fucken enough!! I've had it up to HERE with you pieces of shit saying bad stuff about my fair lady ciri so if I hear one more FUCKING word about her or how mean, frowny old ladies aren't the hottest babes on the planet or if you say anything derogatory about any digital divas, then I will start to fucking flip out all over this thread!!

I'm drawing a line in the sand. Right here, right now...
________________________________________

Any man who crosses it... grrrr... i hope youre prepared to face the wrath of my flames because you are going to be taking a licking but don't expect to keep on ticking - not after i'm through with you. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...

PS: If any cute rpgcodex girls want to send me any pictures of any body parts that you may want me to see or set up an interview with me about my good deeds towards the pretend women of video games, please pm me. I'm here to put a stop to the injustices done to your'e gender.

I hope she sees this bro.

Ho wait, she wont, 'cause she is imaginary. NERD.

 

[Child of Malkav]

 

[Harthwain]

They are not. I can count on my fingers the number of moments Geralt goes monster hunting, and it's often just an excuse or a framing device by Sapkowski to tell a different story.

I can concede, to a point. The stories such as The Witcher, A Grain of Truth or The Bounds of Reason are about monster hunting, even if they are used as a vehicle for more than just killing monsters.

Yes, maybe. But I'm not sure. How can you develop a narrative that is character driven with a generic custom protagonist? Most of the time RPGs with custom protagonist focus on telling stories about the world or defeating a bigger evil (and The Witcher isn't about that, it's not that kind of fantasy), they are never centered around the protagonist himself. Which is the reason CDPR stucked Silverhand in the protagonist's head in Cyberpunk.

Mass Effect comes to mind. There you have a generic custom protagonist who becomes an iconic face of the series all the same. You also had Dragon Age: Origins, in which your avatar had a background, which played a role in some points of the game while giving it more of a character that you could lean into. The Witcher 4 could achieve this effect by making player's choices matter, turning them player's choices, not "what Geralt would realistically do". Arguably this is what Mass Effect did, too.

 

[TedNugent]

Oh, boy, on Unreal Engine 5 on an unreleased Nvidia RTX graphics card. This is already going so, so well.

Is that card the one rumored to be $1200 or the one rumored to be $1500?

 

[Gahbreeil]

bloated 30yo anglo woman

ftfy

I'd take this bloated 30yo Anglo-Saxon over Cirilla in the previous Witcher any day. Any. Day. And that's because she looks human. Advancement of graphics as well.

What was I saying? Ah, yes, if Witcher 4 had Ciri at the age she is at in Witcher 3, it would be a win-win situation. However! It's CDPR and they put Ciri in Cybercrap 2337 as a prostitute toy teaser easter egg. And so, Witcher 4 cannot continue Cirilla's story where it was left of, their brilliant ideas prevent them from doing that. And so, she's in Skellige, 10 years later.

No save continuation either. I though they were stealing from BioWare, why not do the Mass Effect?

 

[Inec0rn]

Yep truly think this game will be a disaster. The best thing about the all 3 Witcher games is the character Geralt and that he comes across neutral and cynical in any situation, you take Geralt out of the game and what is left that makes it appealing? I barely even remember Ciri in W3..

 

[Lyric Suite]

Oh, boy, on Unreal Engine 5 on an unreleased Nvidia RTX graphics card. This is already going so, so well.

Is that card the one rumored to be $1200 or the one rumored to be $1500?

I think it's 1500/2400 respectively. Lawl.

 

[Green]

This is like veilguard all over again...!

I mean, come on. That's one of Ciri's better shots, which in itself makes her better than They. That shit's so bad that they (as in BW they, not to be confused with They) had an easier time pulling her from every trailer after the first one than finding any 2/10 shot of her, looks so bad from every angle and her every word is such a factory of cringe.

 

[Green]

You can't just focus solely on first iteration of a game, especially since those guys working at CDPR back then didn't exactly knew what they were doing at first, it was all new to them. The Witcher is a title of book series, THE Witcher is Geralt. You can't seperate those two mediums and say - I just take a title and I will get rid of it's meaning.

"Get rid of it's meaning"? The meaning of words can be open to interpretation. You think CDPR didn't know The Witcher was "a title of book series" and "THE Witcher is Geralt" BEFORE they started working on their game? They knew all that, and yet they still went with their idea of a blank slate for The Witcher 1. You say I "can't separate those two mediums", but I wasn't the one who did it: CDPR was. They took the title. They took the iconography. The universe. The profession. They created Geralt as a non-playable character the player-witcher could meet.

About "THE Witcher". As far as I am aware "The" in "The Witcher" is a result of troubled translation process (and the first translation into English wasn't great, which is probably why series didn't catch on before the success of the games). Because originally it was intended to be simply "Witcher", but that word alone could be easily misunderstood as "someone who creates witches", so they added "the" and it ended up as "The Witcher" as a result. Not to denote Geralt as the main character. By the way, going along with your barbarian analogy the title should have been Geralt the Witcher, just as we have Conan the Barbarian (or Conan the Cimmerian), not The Barbarian, even if now we associate Conan as the model for a barbarian.

Personally, i just to play The Superior Witcher in Witcher 4. A nigger Witcher from the bull school who takes over the vineyard, making it his main hub for the whole game, and cucks Geralt out of his daughter and wife (specifically Yennefer, though eventually a sidequest would open up to get Triss too).

 

[Ibn Sina]

Playing a female Witcher is like playing a female bond. Total mismatch in concept. Witcher is inherently muscaline fantasy, the lone man wanderer who goes from village to village solving petty problems, while fucking occasional tavern wench or witch every now and again. Sometimes he gets dragged unwilling into political affairs of the realm by the nobility.

Either CRPR does not understand this core concept or more likely they know and decide to be subversive little shits anyway. Look at the "lore master" ultra woke guy they hired , and the shit he says in twitter. The new Witcher will be filled with Anglo American wokeness.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Subversion is clearly the point.

If they wanted a woman lead, they could have kept Ciri as she was, but that wouldn't be enough. She literally has to erase Geralt.

 

[Semiurge]

Why is it called the Witcher if Cirilla is the protagonist? Shouldn't it be called the Witch?

Witches? Witcheress? Witcheresses?

Why complicate things? Just use Bitcher.

Bitch: her

Also it will be pozzed as hell, their talent went off to found Rebel Wolves and they're left with activists and troons.

Imagine losing millions of $ on building RedEngine, which is a very capable, powerful engine only for 3 games because you lost all the top programmers and forgot to train the new ones on it.

Was there some particular reason why the veterans left? Not enough pay, conditions, as a protest for wokeness? Or were they laid off to make room for "new talent"?

 

[Falksi]

Playing a female Witcher is like playing a female bond. Total mismatch in concept. Witcher is inherently muscaline fantasy, the lone man wanderer who goes from village to village solving petty problems, while fucking occasional tavern wench or witch every now and again. Sometimes he gets dragged unwilling into political affairs of the realm by the nobility.

Either CRPR does not understand this core concept or more likely they know and decide to be subversive little shits anyway. Look at the "lore master" ultra woke guy they hired , and the shit he says in twitter. The new Witcher will be filled with Anglo American wokeness.

Plot Twist:

Spoiler

Ciri's a Slag

 

[Tehdagah]

Playing a female Witcher is like playing a female bond. Total mismatch in concept. Witcher is inherently muscaline fantasy, the lone man wanderer who goes from village to village solving petty problems, while fucking occasional tavern wench or witch every now and again. Sometimes he gets dragged unwilling into political affairs of the realm by the nobility.

Either CRPR does not understand this core concept or more likely they know and decide to be subversive little shits anyway. Look at the "lore master" ultra woke guy they hired , and the shit he says in twitter. The new Witcher will be filled with Anglo American wokeness.

 

[Dark Souls II]

their talent went off to found Rebel Wolves and they're left with activists and troons

The talent that went off to found Rebel Wolves:

 

[La vie sexuelle]

Geralt is THE Witcher, that's what Sapkowski intended with this title.

You are retarded, The Witcher as the title of the series is an invention of CDPR, Sapkowski never used the title Wiedzmin except for his first ever story

It's not an invention of CDPR, it's far older. The first edition of the Witcher Saga in Polish has "book X of the Witcher Saga" in big red letters on each book. The Witcher Saga likely only exists BECAUSE of that earlier popularity and name recognition of Wiedźmin / the Witcher in the 90s fantasy circles in Poland, and by "the Witcher" I mean Geralt the Witcher specifically. You could maybe say that Sapkowski didn't originally intent this and it was only because the publisher and readers demanded it, but that's how it went. I think Sapkowski once said he wanted to kill Geralt early on, way before writing the Saga, but you don't kill the goose that lays golden eggs, the guy made his career selling books about the Witcher that everyone recognized as books about the Witcher, not as individual titles set in a world that happens to have the Witcher in them, even if the content of the books isn't just about the Witcher.
I imagine the decision to have Geralt as the protagonist in the games instead of a custom witcher player character largely came down to the same thing - recognition. People recognized THE Witcher and less people would have wanted to play as a witcher rather than the Witcher. I'd rather have a game where you play as a custom no-name witcher who makes his own story in the game, without endlessly recycling the same set of characters Sapkowski created, but that's probably not happening.

I recently finished reading Season of Storms and have some thoughts.

Sapkowski is a literary hack with the ability to write dialogues and a certain poseur, which he fueled with his life experience. At the same time, he is prone to sentimentality, emotional outbursts hidden under cynicism, and also has tacky taste. The end of the 1980s was the best period for such a personality. His society was tired, it was looking for new ways, and at the same time it wanted everything Western. I truly believe that such cheesy cynicism resonated deeply with them. All of these things revolve around one element of these books - Geralt. There is no "Witcher world", there is a reality that develops around his personality. Sapkowski's real career is not the first foreign releases, but games. On the one hand, we were attracted by the exotic, and on the other, the fact that you could cynically fuck women without strings attached, as the poliziotteschi "heroes" did in the 1970s. There was a strong desire for this type of content, but political correctness scrutiny was already growing. The Witcher 2 and 3 were sequentially toned down, and still more edgy than the West . I mention this to emphasize that everything begins and ends with the reception of Geralt's character. As long as we follow his contradictory personality, it all sticks. Season of Storms is proof of this. For some reason, Sapkowski lost the positive element of his writing, and the bad elements came to the surface. Season of Storms consists of only the worst elements of the series, and Geralt's personality and dilemmas are faded and secondary. Ciri, on the other hand, is the lens of everything that is worst in Sapkowski's work. Her plots are silly, sentimental, Mary Sue style and without restraint. Really, she's far from Sarah J. Maas' heroines. Placing her as the main character will by definition highlight all the flaws of the "Witcher world", even if she is somehow balanced by other characters, which I don't believe in, because it's not CDP from 2015.

Besides, if The Witcher 1 was late, if Cyberpunk came at the right time (and that was the only thing that saved the game), The Witcher 4 will come too late. Its aesthetics lost its luster because Slavic exoticism became familiar to us, without edge, which gave the West the taste of forbidden entertainment.


The time of the Witchers has really passed.

Ok... Alright... let's do this... that's fucken enough!! I've had it up to HERE with you pieces of shit saying bad stuff about my fair lady ciri so if I hear one more FUCKING word about her or how mean, frowny old ladies aren't the hottest babes on the planet or if you say anything derogatory about any digital divas, then I will start to fucking flip out all over this thread!!

I'm drawing a line in the sand. Right here, right now...
________________________________________

Any man who crosses it... grrrr... i hope youre prepared to face the wrath of my flames because you are going to be taking a licking but don't expect to keep on ticking - not after i'm through with you. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...

PS: If any cute rpgcodex girls want to send me any pictures of any body parts that you may want me to see or set up an interview with me about my good deeds towards the pretend women of video games, please pm me. I'm here to put a stop to the injustices done to your'e gender.

Ok, catch my sexy feets.

 

[Storyfag]

Ok, catch my sexy feets.

JarlFrank

 

[JarlFrank]

Those are some top tier feet indeed.