Wizardry The Wizardry Series Thread

[Grauken]

The proper solution is to raise a second party until they can teleport at will, get down there and save the first party

 

[grimer]

The proper solution is to raise a second party until they can teleport at will, get down there and save the first party

id have no need for them once i train a new party to a high enough level for my mage to learn malor. their equipment isnt worth salvaging either, mostly just long swords +1 and plate mails +1. also this was my 3rd party and im getting kinda burnt out on the game to go through the whole ordeal of training a new one. ill come back to it eventually and finish it but i think ill play a diff game in the meantime.

 

[Dungeon Lord]

I am replaying Wizardry6.
I have a priest. He is using 2 weapon: 1 morningstar + 1 war sceptre. I can equip the sceptre, but I see no values in Cosmic Forge for the offhand weapon. No damage, no swings/attacks, no mode (bash).
Has it no use? So I do not have to bother with a second weapon?

UPDATE
Orc Rumble Friday Nights At 8
What does this mean?

 

[Dungeon Lord]

Scallywag = a white Southerner who collaborated with northern Republicans during the post-Civil War reconstruction period.
but how they are placed in this Wiz6 game?

 

[Dungeon Lord]

I am replaying Wizardry6.
I have a priest. He is using 2 weapon: 1 morningstar + 1 war sceptre. I can equip the sceptre, but I see no values in Cosmic Forge for the offhand weapon. No damage, no swings/attacks, no mode (bash).
Has it no use? So I do not have to bother with a second weapon?

Nevermind. My priest is Level5 now and he has 2 attacks/round. So he can use the offhand weapon too. There are values in Cosmic Forge now.

 

[Dorateen]

Scallywag = a white Southerner who collaborated with northern Republicans during the post-Civil War reconstruction period.
but how they are placed in this Wiz6 game?

Scallywag = a person who behaves badly but in an amusingly mischievous rather than harmful way; a rascal.

 

[Ysaye]

Scallywag = a white Southerner who collaborated with northern Republicans during the post-Civil War reconstruction period.
but how they are placed in this Wiz6 game?

Scallywag = a person who behaves badly but in an amusingly mischievous rather than harmful way; a rascal.

Although "harmful" is in the eyes of the beholder, and a scallywag is someone who would need to be very careful in this "modern" world...

 

[RatTower]

Just saw this. Apparently comes with an editor and five original scenarios, which sounds pretty cool.
There will also be a free DLC with HD versions of the classic llylgamyn sprites.

Finding gameplay material from the original 2006 version is a bit tricky unless you search for the Japanese title "五つの試練".


Edit:
In case you speak any Japanese (I certainly don't) here's the developer's website:
https://wiz-pb.jp/

Besides looking like the quintessential early-2000's website, it also lists the five original campaigns:

・旅人の財産　" Traveler's property "
・満月王の子供達　"Children of the king Selene"
・欠けた大地　"the devoid of apotheosis"
・ガルヴァンの酢漬け男　"the Pickled Man of Galvan " (lmao)
・灼熱の車輪 "the Wheels of Flame "

These guys also seem to be the original developers behind "Prisoners of the Battles", but I'm not sure since Wizardry's licensing agreements are even more labyrinthian than the games.

Either way looks pretty cool.

 

[Grauken]

just check the previous page

 

[Adenocaulon]

One question about Wizardry 6 and cosmic forge editor mod.

It is possible to create items and totally customize a party (level, skill level, etc.) with cosmic forge editor?

For example if I want to play Wizardry 6 in SNES, and after finishing it just replicate the party via cosmic forge editor for Wizardry 7 in pc.

 

[ghostdog]

One question about Wizardry 6 and cosmic forge editor mod.

It is possible to create items and totally customize a party (level, skill level, etc.) with cosmic forge editor?

For example if I want to play Wizardry 6 in SNES, and after finishing it just replicate the party via cosmic forge editor for Wizardry 7 in pc.

I'd like to know too. aweigh , do you have any insights?

 

[ZodoZ]

One question about Wizardry 6 and cosmic forge editor mod.
It is possible to create items and totally customize a party (level, skill level, etc.) with cosmic forge editor?
For example if I want to play Wizardry 6 in SNES, and after finishing it just replicate the party via cosmic forge editor for Wizardry 7 in pc.

mad god's Tiny Hut

mad god's Tiny Hut, home of the *Cosmic Forge*.


** Save Files Viewer - allows to see the comprehensive information about your characters and the current World information. Does NOT allow any modification, since it is not a cheat tool.

 

[Humbaba]

Meaning to do a Wizardry 6-8 playthrough. Do I actually have to engage in all this class switching bullshittery to beat the game? How hard would I handicap myself if I didn't? Can't imagine that anybody minmaxxed to that extent in 1990.

 

[Casual Hero]

Wizardry 6 is entirely playable without class changing. I haven't touched Wizardry 7 or 8 yet.

 

[zapotec]

I beat 8 without class changing, my party was:
Fighter, Thief
Monk, Ranger
Priest, Wizard

 

[Jason Liang]

Meaning to do a Wizardry 6-8 playthrough. Do I actually have to engage in all this class switching bullshittery to beat the game? How hard would I handicap myself if I didn't? Can't imagine that anybody minmaxxed to that extent in 1990.

Wizardry 7 is kind of absurdly difficult. Abusively class-switching when you start out is helpful and saves grinding time overall, due to the extra skill points, to-hit bonus, and spell points your characters gain from it. It's the best character progression strategy by far.

Be sure you understand all the mechanics for class changing, particularly how to-hit bonus increases. Also it's helpful to start most or all characters as mages or clerics to maximize spell point regeneration rate, which is set at character creation.

 

[Butter]

Even Wiz7 doesn't require class changing, but it does make things a lot smoother. The classic Priest/Mage flip-flop is useful in both 6 and 7 to rack up spells. Once you land on Bishop/Samurai/Valkyrie/Lord, you want to stay put.

 

[Darth Roxor]

class switching sounds much more oppressive than it actually is in practice - the thought of it was what kept me away from wiz 6-7 for the longest time, because i thought it required massive, autistic min-maxing to do right, but in the end it's perfectly reasonable

 

[Jason Liang]

Besides elf mage/ cleric, my favorite 3 spellbook example would be

Elf Female Mage (start for Mana regen) -> Samurai -> Valkyrie -> Ninja -> Samurai
Mage -> Samurai -> Valkyrie -> Ninja ---> Samurai
5 -------> 12 --------> 10 +2 ---> 12 ------> 12 STR
10 -----> 11 --------> 10 --------> 10 +1 -> 11 INT
10 -----> 10 +1 ---> 11 --------> 10 ------> 10 PIE
7 -------> 9 +2 ----> 11 +1 ---> 12 ------> 9 VIT
9 -------> 12 -------> 10 +2 ---> 12 ------> 12 DEX
9 -------> 14 -------> 11 +1 ---> 12 +2 --> 14 SPD
9 -------> 9 --------> 9 ----------> 9 --------> 9 PER

Easily switching at level 4 or 5, repeatable ad nauseum.

 

[gman42]

Counterpoint: LVL vs LVL is a huge factor in calculating resistances and punching through enemy's resistances (among other things), and as a result a single-classed party can fare really well compared to a group of characters that have just cycled through the first 5-10 levels a zillion times.

 

[octavius]

Wiz 6 is very doable without class changing.
Unfortunately in Wiz 7 you can no longer freely spend your skill points, so it's very tempting to do class changes just to get enough skill points ASAP to be able to cast higher level spells.
But remember that in all combat calculations the current class level is used, so single class characters will have better saving throws for example.

EDIT: or what the above poster said.

 

[Jason Liang]

Leveling up to level 5 is between 7,000 to 12,000 xp. Class switching 10 times would put you behind by 120,000 xp, which is less than the amount from level 9 to level 10.

 

[octavius]

If you're addicted to class changing you never reach level 10.

 

[Reality]

Wiz 8, is basically class-switch less, since level no longer resets on class switch

Wiz 6-7, it might sound like effort in the context of how it works in other CRPGs, but actually most of the time you don't even need to babysit or anything - just have one person switched at a time and keep moving forward in your current/latest zone and they'll get within 2-levels of your highest level non-class switched guy in something like 6 battles.

Last time I played Wiz 6 I took
1 Never Reclass Fighter, Valk, Mage
1 Reclass only once (Priest that accidentally got Ninja reqs)
2 Reclass about 4~ times a Priest Mage loop and a Bard into Priest Mage loop

If you don't want to reclass at all play Wizardry 1-3 which can be finished at fairly low level. Wizardry 6 is fairly comfortable for 3/4(Original Castle, Dwarf Mines) but once you get to Pyramid/Underworld and seeing magic casting enemies frequently then it starts to get really annoying not having a ton of extra HP/spellslots on your magic users (physical classes don't feel as neutered)

Wiz 7 scales up to much higher extremes, but even earlygame the slow pace of learning spells kind of makes it hard not to spam reclass on a playthrough -

I had my doubts once, but after seeing a a no-reclass mage and a mage-priest in the same party I'm now 100% on board the idea of the reclass spam SPEEDING UP the playthrough and not being a symptom of wasting time/overgrinding etc

 

[grimer]

Do I actually have to engage in all this class switching bullshittery to beat the game?

no. the wizardry games were designed with single-classed characters in mind, only using class-changing to unlock elite classes that were unavailable during character creation. typically you wouldnt be able to start with ninjas or monks in your party unless you were incredibly lucky with your bonus point roll due to high attribute requirements.

in wizardry 6 your carrying capacity and spell point regen rate are determined by your starting class and str and vit scores**. spellcasters have higher sp regen (smth like +3 in some realms +2 in others depending on the class), str and vit govern carrying capacity (vit contributes half as much as str) and due to some coding error? vit also provides a bonus to sp regen (16 vit for +1, 17 vit for +2, 18 vit for +3). for this reason id advise you to start your hybrid characters as their corresponding spellcaster classes (e.g. priest->lord) and invest some points towards str and vit. dont start your samurai/bard as a mage or youll miss out on exclusive gear like samurai armor or lute (there is no point in playing a bard if you dont have this).

you could also use class-changing to learn new skills particularly ninjutsu and kirijutsu as well as gain extra skill points (more of an issue in wizardry 7) but any more than that is abusing the system and i wouldnt recommend that for your first playthrough. personally i prefer when each character fulfills a specific role in the party instead of 6 mondblutian abominations with max skills, spells, thac0, etc.

**these issues were fixed in wizardry 7 where your carrying capacity and sp regen rate are recalculated when you change class or gain/lose attributes. also pie now governs sp regen rate instead of vit.

some other things i want to talk about regarding wizardry 7 but ill save it for when you get around to playing it. you could also search kmonster's posts here or in the abandonia forums for a more detailed explanation of the mechanics in both games. sry for the wall of text lol