I don't think any have been shown yet, but I think can think of several things that might happen.
So XP isn't a motivating reward? Is that what you're saying?
So there's no examples in the beta?
No idea, I'm not in the beta.
Well, you can't be great at everything. Under the system I was suggesting, you would need to balance your actions between smooth-talking solutions and gunman solutions to remain good at both, and even then you wouldn't be as good at either as a dedicated smooth-talker or dedicated gunman character. It was just a not particularly well thought out example though, not my perfect one-size-fits-all XP solution.
Okay but my point is, why award XP for sidequests if the goal is just steady linear progression?
Just to follow up this tangent a little, I'm not a fan of "use it or lose it" skill-degrading mechanics; they lead to one-trick ponies. Kinda reminds me of Paragon/Renegade, you know? Once you pick something, you better stick with it and let everything else go to hell ... every time you don't use Skill X is another chance for it to get weaker.
In the case of PoE, I don't believe that the goal is steady linear progression. It seems that the idea is to inspire involvement in the storyline(s) without encouraging any particular solution methods. A side quest is still a storyline that they want you to feel mechanically motivated to engage in.
The fact that xp is infinite turns it into something not worth micromanaging, which lets you focus on other parts of the game without feeling like a contrived, forced down your throat way to keep the game challenging.
2 things is far from everything,I imagine most rpgs have more than 2.The main problem I have with your idea is not even the cap on skills,it's the learn by doing mechanic that really bugs me because it doesn't force you to build your PC in a certain way it actually forces you to act in a certain way which is a bad idea in an rpg.
You completely misunderstood,I said that this can work in a more linear game not that the goal is to make the game more linear.
Well, my intention was to bait Volourn in particular, since her point of view is so simplistic and stupid, but OK. Risk-reward is pretty pertinent to the discussion.
There are several quests in Bloodlines that give greater reward to stealth solutions. It's a bad game.
Largely, combat XP is not a reward for taking a risk; it's a reward for putting in the hours. It's a wage for taking the time to perform time-consuming, repetitive actions. Another word for this is "work".
The exceptions are the big set-piece combats against the "final boss" at the end of the questline, or at dramatically interesting points along the way
Eh, I'm not a big fan of trash mobs as a majority staple of gameplay, but off the top of my head, they do serve a few important purposes:So why even have trash mobs in a game like PoE? It's not like there's a subscription fee.Largely, combat XP is not a reward for taking a risk; it's a reward for putting in the hours. It's a wage for taking the time to perform time-consuming, repetitive actions. Another word for this is "work".
The exceptions are the big set-piece combats against the "final boss" at the end of the questline, or at dramatically interesting points along the way
I actually didn't know this, but it doesn't hurt my point. The idea that everything was equally valued is the point.
YOU are a bad game, faggot. VtM:B is awesome.
I'm sorry that thing you like so much is bad but them's the breaks.
Actually thats one of the best parts of the game, it rewarding stealth on a situation that calls for it instead of giving you the same exp for any aproach that gets the job done (which is lame, lazy and retarded). It is fitting in that setting because its not combat focused, there are way more skills and even powers to interact with the world and NPCs than there are to use exclusively in combat.
Sorry but with such nonsensical talk you are showing desperation.
Isn't the story fun enough by itself, without bribing the player with XP?
Isn't the story fun enough by itself, without bribing the player with XP?
You already get loot for completing quests, do you really need that extra dopamine boost of seeing a number go up?
Honestly though, I suspect Sawyer just included quest XP because people would have rioted if he cut it out completely. So he got as close as he could while still giving people their regular Pavlovian rewards
Funny guy. If the devs don't want to put mechanical incentives on quests and scripted objectives, it's fine with me. The choice of the behaviors they want to encourage and what they don't want to encourage is up to them. I've already gone on record stating that I will do quests even if there is no XP for them, because I like participating in stories and conflicts. However, if the devs choose to systemically incentivize that behavior (and they do!), it means that the game I want to play and the game they want me to play are very similar ... honestly, that makes me way more excited about this game.
Yeah. Well, there is still levelling to be considered, and I think in an RPG, especially of this type, there does need to be character progression. Aaaaand as I try to compose this paragraph I see Infinitron has already beaten me to it. So .... what he said.
