This Fall is going to be the greatest fall in the history of RPGs

[VerSacrum]

Avowed will be the least pozzed but most bland = Codex GOTY 2024 incoming.

Nah, that's Kingdom Come 2. It's basically locked down at this point unless some weird shit happens.

Vavra did say it will be a "diverse" game, but I think he meant to say that there will be characters of different nationalities and backgrounds - French, German, Ottoman, not just Bohemians.

In real history at the time burghership and council of Kuttenberg was pretty much entirely German (which is why it was burnt to ashes and nearly everyone in it killed or expelled in the Hussite Wars), sure hope the game will reflect that.

 

[NecroLord]

Yeah.
Let's see just how historically accurate are they going to make KCD 2.

 

[Lord_Potato]

A second, interesting question, would be which one of those games will receive the 75% discount kiss of death first...

Which of these games become an Epic freebie, you wanted to say

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Hmmm... Burger Ship... tasty.

 

[BrainMuncher]

It's probably more correct to talk about agency/constraint rather than agency/narrative, since you can have constraints on agency that aren't related to narrative. But a pre-determined narrative is by it's nature a constraint.

I/we were talking about games like Dwarf Fortress, Kenshi and Crusader Kings. People call these games "story generators" because, despite not having a pre-defined narrative they generate stories through their simulation engine. All I'm saying is that for me personally these "machine generated stories" despite how much you as a player affected their creation, can't come close to even badly written drivel by a human. But that's just me (and many others )

Right if you're talking about quality there are certain things that you aren't likely to encounter when a player is essentially writing the narrative by accident and in real time in a sandbox game. Like an unexpected twist, or a murder mystery or something. On the other hand Kenshi stories won't have any unexplained plot holes, deus ex machina, plot armor etc. So in terms of quality the human touch gives with one hand and takes away with the other.

A game by definition has rules so you need some sort of narrative or you don't have a game.

That's quite the leap in logic, are you saying there are no games without a story? Because that's not the case.

I was referring to rules and narrative as loosely the same thing. You could think about a point of narrative as a game rule. For instance you always start Diablo in the town of Tristram. Is that a rule or part of the narrative? In that sense they are essentially the same thing. Any pre-determined narrative is essentially a rule since it contrains the player in the same way as a rule. Likewise, you could consider rules as constraints on the narrative. If the player in Diablo can't fly then in a certain sense that is effectively part of the narrative even if not explicitly stated.

Narrative and player agency in games exist on a continuum. The more of one you have, the less of the other. At one extreme you have table top games, where the only real limit on player agency is imagination, even the rules of the game can be broken. Games like minecraft and civilization are near this end of the spectrum, with only minimal narrative constraints. The story is just an account of what the player chose to do, it's not LARPing it's just facts about what happened.

No, tabletop and Minecraft aren't the same thing at all. If you play minecraft for a few hours and then that's your story, the shit that you did in the game, by all means go ahead and call that "story" but that's not what I was talking about.

Every story is just a recounting of events that may or may not have happened. Minecraft stories are technically non-fiction since they actually happened so you might call them history. You might not think they are worth recording or telling but it's still a story.

 

[Tyranicon]

Avowed dropped out of the running. It's apparently no longer targeting a fall release date but getting delayed to early 2025.

If I was a betting man, I think the same will be true for VtMB2. It's only a matter of time.

Once again I didn't make the poll so not sure why Fable is on it.

 

[Aarwolf]

A second, interesting question, would be which one of those games will receive the 75% discount kiss of death first...

Which of these games become an Epic freebie, you wanted to say

Dragon Age Inquisition was given away that way in June, so DA4 looks like a one to be next.

But I put my money on Fable.

 

[NecroLord]

If I was a betting man, I think the same will be true for VtMB2. It's only a matter of time.

Another delay?
What's the tally right now? The third time they're delaying it?

 

[Tyranicon]

Avowed dropped out of the running. It's apparently no longer targeting a fall release date but getting delayed to early 2025.

If I was a betting man, I think the same will be true for VtMB2. It's only a matter of time.

Once again I didn't make the poll so not sure why Fable is on it.

Slipping in a "I told you so" doesn't really count when it's this obvious, does it? This Fall isn't gonna be that great after all.

 

[NecroLord]

Avowed dropped out of the running. It's apparently no longer targeting a fall release date but getting delayed to early 2025.

If I was a betting man, I think the same will be true for VtMB2. It's only a matter of time.

Once again I didn't make the poll so not sure why Fable is on it.

Slipping in a "I told you so" doesn't really count when it's this obvious, does it? This Fall isn't gonna be that great after all.

"Fuck you, I was right!"

 

[Elttharion]

Motherfucker you jinxed it

 

[Tyranicon]

Motherfucker you jinxed it

Nah, wait 'till I activate my trap card.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Motherfucker you jinxed it

Nah, wait 'till I activate my trap card.

I was getting concerned, then I realized this isn't the Would? thread.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Which of those 4 will actually come out 2024? I'm having my doubts any will (not like them coming out is good anyway... it'd be better they all get tossed in the grave).

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Which of those 4 will actually come out 2024? I'm having my doubts any will (not like them coming out is good anyway... it'd be better they all get tossed in the grave).

Avowed and Bloodlines 2 have been delayed into 2025, Fable 4 won't be any earlier, while Veilguard is supposedly releasing October 31 and would therefore be the only one of the four released in 2024.

 

[Serus]

No Kingcomrade option - no buy. What am I saying, I did vote.

 

[Modron]

This poll sucks you can't choose all 4.

 

[NecroLord]

This poll sucks you can't choose all 4.

My money's on Tranny Age 4.

 

[ropetight]

Based on this poll, Avowed wins Least to Suck Fall 2024/Winter 2025 RpgCodex Award.
Someone call that Patel woman in Obsidian, so she can put Award Winning badge on the promotional material.
It could be the only one she wins.

 

[lycanwarrior]

Toss up between DA4 and VtMB2. However, DA4 will likely sell a decent amount of copies just due to nostalgia alone.

 

[Abu Antar]

Toss up between DA4 and VtMB2. However, DA4 will likely sell a decent amount of copies just due to nostalgia alone.

You didn't get the memo? VtMB2 is delayed until 2025.

 

[Morgoth]

Disney Age will make bank as all other RPGs have been postponed to next year.

 

[Semiurge]

Honestly between The Veilguard and Bloodlines 2 I'd say that Bloodlines 2 will be the better one. Veilguard is a dead studio's last shart, but Bloodlines 2 might have some enjoyable aspects.

 

[ropetight]

It is all fine and dandy until you realize that humans are actually at least semi-intelligent and self-aware species and that they are adapting to the new environments and circumstances.

10-15 years ago, people would buy things of less quality out of supply-demand drought.
Now, with backlogs in hundreds or thousand plus games, constant sales of older titles, technological stagnation in the last 5+ years, and rising prices of new games, people are more and more playing old titles that are dime a dozen, proven by reviews, not a buggy garbage and runnable on not updated PC-s, that are becoming also more and more expensive.

I would even go further - most people nowadays got so "spoiled by choice" that will not buy the game if it doesn't tick most of their boxes.
In the times long bygone, people bought games that were not their cup of tea just too try them en masse, and kept them.
For some times now, people are refunding hundreds of thousands of games daily.

Welcome to the Age of Bombing that follows its predecessor, Age of Decline, friends!
Suicide Squad will have nothing on AC: Shadows and DA4!

Consumers were mostly playing older games in 2023, report suggests​

Newzoo data indicates 60 percent of playtime went to 6-year-old or older games

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...-playing-older-games-in-2023-report-suggests/

 

[deuxhero]

For some times now, people are refunding hundreds of thousands of games daily.

Wonder what release caused that spike. Nevermind, it's the start of the Summer Sale. The spike ended just after the sale's end. Presumably just normal "Doesn't work on my PC" type stuff. Does give good insight into just how much Steam purchase traffic spikes during sales though. Spike a few days ago (20th) seems more interesting though.