Mareus said:
So.. which game does party based combat better and more fun?
Realms of Arkania. Significantly better, in fact. But why should that matter? Combat can still be bad if there's nothing much better out there. RPGs have a tradition of having shitty combat, from Fallout's overly simplistic TB combat to the Infinity Engine's horrible, horrible RTwP system.
Mareus said:
Mhm, and by using your broken logic Arcanum unofficial fixes are not part of the original game, so Arcanum therefore sucks cause Troika didn't fix the game, Drog did.
Yes, that's correct. Unlike some bozos, I'm exceedingly consistent about this logic. When I'm judging a game I can take into account whether or not the dev provides modkits, but the game itself does not become better or worse by existence of mods. Mods are external content. This is true for Fallout 2's fan patch, it's true for Arcanum's fanpatch (I've never played Arcanum with Drog's patch, by the way, it runs fine with the official patch, so kind of a weak point there), it's true for Mount & Blade's expansion of mods, just like it's true for Oblivion and Fallout 3.
Mareus said:
My point is, that it's really not important who fixes stuff or adds additional content as long as there is something out there that can be used to make the gameplay more enjoyable.
No, it is important when you're saying "... is a great game", but only with mods. Oblivion and Fallout 3 can both potentially be much more amusing with a metric ton of mods, that does not mean I'm justified in going around saying they're great games. Because I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the mods. Is it really so hard to see the distinction there?
Mareus said:
First of all graphic is the least important aspect of the game
Funny, because you brought up how well Baldur's Gate looks, not me. If you don't care, why bring it up?
Mareus said:
But just for the sake of saying the truth, you are just delusional. Fallout is flat and grey. Baldur's Gate has better geography, more different types of buildings and better art design altogether. You are just talking out of your arse.
Wrong-o. The backgrounds are, in fact, the only advantage BG has, and that's due to the use of the Infinity engine which allows to set massive bitmaps as backgrounds rather than mess about with mappers.
In pure graphic fidelity,
this is better than
this. Animations and level of detail are both better in Fallout. Again, all BG has on it is the Infinity Engine's capability of background rendering.
Mikayel said:
Hey guys, maybe we can take the random bickering elsewhere so Murrow's thread isn't all messed up?
Keep at it man, I've played this game to death and back but it's (surprisingly) still fun to read an LP of.
It's not really worth taking elsewhere, the debate is stale and pointless. But you're right. I'll toss Mareus the last word if he wants it and drop it, 'k.
