Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Pre-Release Thread [ALPHA RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Minttunator]

I knew inXile were true bros. Fantastic update. Here's a short list of people who can fuck off:

• bulbous weeaboo hambeasts and their inevitable stockpiles of resin waifu statuettes
• self-actualized "gamer" womyn
• Hamburger Helper and other despicably bad professional fan fiction "writers"
• bronies
• babyfurs
• simpering man-feminist ultra-liberals
• Biodrones
• Asperger's sufferers and autists (see "Biodrones")
• completely normal, intelligent and well-adjusted people who've never done a thing to me, but like something that I don't

Awesome post, would brofist if I could!
It's really cool of inXile to confirm this so early - unlike, say, Obsidian, who were coy about it until the very end of the KS, and I don't think they've still confirmed romances one way or the other. It will be interesting to see how many Biodrone subhumans catch this in the update and whether any of them actually pull their pledge. I'm guessing it won't affect the bottom line all that much - although the butthurt is already flowing in the KS comments, and lo, it is good!

 

[vorvek]

You never get to know what was it that the first incarnation did

Joined: Nov 25, 2012
Posts: 23

Very clever. Not as much as the previous thousand times you've used it before, but still refreshingly smart. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[Infinitron]

Very clever. Not as much as the previous thousand times you've used it before, but still refreshingly smart. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

And how would you know that? You only joined in November.

Seriously, how come you alts never even try? Wouldn't it be kind of fun to roleplay an actual noob who is still learning everybody's amusing little schticks for the first time?

 

[Kem0sabe]

Still no 2D in the horizon, can't bring myself to pledge without it.

 

[vorvek]

Very clever. Not as much as the previous thousand times you've used it before, but still refreshingly smart. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

And how would you know that? You only joined in November.

Seriously, how come you alts never even try? Wouldn't it be kind of fun to roleplay an actual noob who is still learning everybody's amusing little schticks for the first time?

I joined in November, but I had a life before that, and I don't need an alt to lurk, and only started reading the Codex because of Grimoire, of all things. As you do that sort of quote every other day, I've had plenty of chances to see it.

Do you understand how the internet works? Do you understand that the codexian circlejerk isn't the only place in the web to talk about cRPGs? If you're going to get all Columbo on me, you could at least check my account first. I have nothing to hide.

 

[Infinitron]

Nah. Anyway you're actually wrong, it's Jaesun who's doing that all the time. I just do the occasional homage.

 

[vorvek]

Nah. Anyway you're actually wrong, it's Jaesun who's doing that all the time. I just do the occasional homage.

Ah... uh... well. Yes, that might be the case Sorry, all of you look the same to me.

 

[Infinitron]

sup Mother Russia https://torment.uservoice.com/forum...imeo-instead-of-youtube-for-your-fundraising-

 

[vorvek]

Well, I sincerely think Torment was overrated and its "deep plot" tried to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It's OK to have liked it back then, you were younger and inexperienced, and loved to feel smarter than you actually were.

This is plain fucking retarded.

You know why?

Because Computer GAMES. It is a video game. Not a piece of art, not a scientific article but a video game.

If you want to have truly uplifting experience you are in the wrong business.

So, we agree then?

 

[evdk]

'Sup, Drog.

 

[Gulnar]

Well, I sincerely think Torment was overrated and its "deep plot" tried to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It's OK to have liked it back then, you were younger and inexperienced, and loved to feel smarter than you actually were.

Still, it was and is better than the 99% of the games in the whole industry. The 'boring and uncreative' Curst/Carceri part was still better than the boring an uncreative underdark part in bg2. The plot approached other themes than 'i'm a hero and ill save the world!111!', and the side characters, unlike in precedent games had a personality and a basilar influence system. I mean, compare for example any of the npc (bar Sarevok) of BG 1/2 to those of planescape torment.

 

[vorvek]

Well, I sincerely think Torment was overrated and its "deep plot" tried to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It's OK to have liked it back then, you were younger and inexperienced, and loved to feel smarter than you actually were.

Still, it was and is better than the 99% of the games in the whole industry. The 'boring and uncreative' Curst/Carceri part was still better than the boring an uncreative underdark part in bg2. The plot approached other themes than 'i'm a hero and ill save the world!111!', and the side characters, unlike in precedent games had a personality and a basilar influence system. I mean, compare for example any of the npc (bar Sarevok) of BG 1/2 to those of planescape torment.

Not saying it wasn't. It was also better than a game of Minesweeper. I'm not even saying Planescape's writing is bad for a game, just that it stroke me that somebody seemed to consider it a colossal work to achieve a similar level unless you have Kierkegaard working for you or something like that. No, PS:T's writing was good (for a game!), but any reasonably good writer (actual writer) could get that. And gameplay-wise, it was underwhelming at best. So, yeah, above-average writing and poor gameplay. Can inXile create a proper spiritual successor? Obviously. If not, why not?

Hell, I even pledged my fucking $28, probably because a spiritual successor of PS:T is still better than no game at all, and I'd really like it to success. But PS:T itself wasn't the übergem some storyfags want to believe it was. It was but a meager improvement, and the fact that RPGs (and videogames in general) tend to suck deep in terms of story doesn't make the plot any better.

 

[hoverdog]

I saw a Drog in a Torment thread the other day. Horrible creatures, I avoid them whenever I can.

 

[Krash]

Can people stop pointing to joindate instead of offering counterarguments? It's really, really fucking retarded, and it's spreading like a case of veneral disease through the codex.

Thank you.

 

[sea]

I'm not even saying Planescape's writing is bad for a game

Good videogame narrative doesn't come down to plot, it comes down to setting, characters and interactivity/reactivity. Saying Planescape's story is "lowest common denominator" stuff misses the point regardless of whether that claim is correct or not.

 

[Raapys]

Hell, I even pledged my fucking $28, probably because a spiritual successor of PS:T is still better than no game at all, and I'd really like it to success. But PS:T itself wasn't the übergem some storyfags want to believe it was. It was but a meager improvement, and the fact that RPGs (and videogames in general) tend to suck deep in terms of story doesn't make the plot any better.

It does, actually, because it's not only true for video games but also for books and movies and any story-telling media. The vast majority of it sucks. And quality is relative, since the only comparison you can make is with other stuff of the same type.

PS:T had a decent story, set in an atmospheric and a relatively fresh and interesting setting with what was generally decent writing. That's far more than I can say for most movies/books/games I've seen/read/played.

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

Then maybe we oughta change that.

 

[Captain Shrek]

Then maybe we oughta change that.

No.

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

Then maybe we oughta change that.

No.

Then why bother funding games that promise to deliver good stories with philosophical motifs? The industry is pretty good at making time-wasters as it is.

 

[Mangoose]

I'm not even saying Planescape's writing is bad for a game

Good videogame narrative doesn't come down to plot, it comes down to setting, characters and interactivity/reactivity. Saying Planescape's story is "lowest common denominator" stuff misses the point regardless of whether that claim is correct or not.

This.

 

[Captain Shrek]

Then why bother funding games that promise to deliver good stories with philosophical motifs? The industry is pretty good at making time-wasters as it is.

Err.... For fun?

DA2 is also a time waster. But it is painful to play. Removing terrible game elements is something that improves fun.

For details read:

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...scourse-on-what-constitutes-good-games.76382/

 

[Jaesun]

Brian Fargo ‏@BrianFargo
It appears that a @ColinMcComb video apology for his Book of Elves will be forthcoming as we are soon closing in on $2.5 million. #torment

 

[evdk]

Brian Fargo ‏@BrianFargo
It appears that a @ColinMcComb video apology for his Book of Elves will be forthcoming as we are soon closing in on $2.5 million. #torment

Hopefully it involves corporal mortification.

 

[Jaesun]

Or him dressed up as an elf.

 

[Minttunator]

Can people stop pointing to joindate instead of offering counterarguments? It's really, really fucking retarded, and it's spreading like a case of veneral disease through the codex.

To be fair, most of the times this happens the argument in question is so utterly retarded that a counterargument isn't really needed.