Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Sykar]

Guess I will not bother with the fishing quest either on my 3 DX character.

 

[Cyberarmy]

I haven't experience any problems with fishing with my hammer&magical helmet guy, probably because of 7 dex. .I was a bit frustrated when I realized most of the good stuff was for psi users though.

 

[Nines]

About Phantom Jelly

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North of Core City, there is abandoned lab with some kind of electric spiders. In front of lab door is big hole. Jump down and you will find cave with Phantom Jelly

 

[Blaine]

If you're getting a good catch rate at 7-8 DEX while I'm getting a completely horrible catch rate at 4 DEX, then the stat has far, far too much of an influence on fishing success. It's obscene.

That's all I have to say about that, other than that there's no real justification for it and it needs to be changed.

 

[Nines]

Tried fishing with 9 DEX (7 DEX + 2 DEX with Surprise). Caught 6 fishes (2 white, 2 green, 2 blue (quality)) with 4 unsuccessful attempts in 3 minutes, after which the pool was empty. Managed to move my ass to another spot (2 screen transitions) and caught 3 more white fishes. Somewhere in between the bonus expired. 6-7 minutes overall.

Tried fishing with 5 DEX (7 DEX - 2 DEX with Suprise). Well, basically, the first 3 minutes I wasn't able to catch anything at all (20+ unsuccessful attempts), but after that I caught... Tungsten Steel Spikes and Toxic Sludge.

Then 2 white and 1 green fish, and after that - Anatomically-Aware Scope. Took me nearly 10 minutes, and the "bonus" expired around the time I caught the green fish.

 

[Blaine]

Yeah, either that's a bug/wonky programming or I need to become President of the United States so I can order the Air Force to carpet bomb Serbia. That's how annoyed I am right now.

 

[Blaine]

I sure hope they have enough troops stationed at Fort Clown Car. It's going to take me like an hour to carry all this shit back to my house, even with a metro right outside.

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What a shitty lunch break this turned out to be.

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[hell bovine]

I am on fishing quest, have 10 dex and maybe 80% success with rod. Need only ghostface to complete tour. WHERE IS THAT DAMN FISH?!!!!

deep caverns

Seriously? Than I finally can stop to fish in every puddle I find.

Yep. I think the fishing quest is just there to troll players.

 

[Unbeliever]

I am on fishing quest, have 10 dex and maybe 80% success with rod. Need only ghostface to complete tour. WHERE IS THAT DAMN FISH?!!!!

deep caverns

Seriously? Than I finally can stop to fish in every puddle I find.

Yep. I think the fishing quest is just there to troll players.

Then the game is better than I thought.

10/10 GOTY, would fish again.

 

[ghostdog]

I fished 3-4 in the

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caves below lower Underrail in all the big river/lakes.

Mapping that stuff was challenging tho, all those damned interconnecting tunnels and sub-levels are fucking up my layout

 

[Gord]

The AI in this game sometimes...

Warehouse defense mission. I throw a Molotov at one of the enemies. Next round, one of my allies runs through the fire. Round after that, everyone turns hostile on me?

 

[Blaine]

At least you got to defend the warehouse with allies. I had to assault the fucker, by myself, with stealthed homos watching over each other and prepared to gank me for 900 damage unless I . That normally isn't an issue, but it's very difficult to gauge LOS inside the maze of boxes.

Yeah, I can't use Pyrokinesis, Electrokinesis, Cryokinetic Orb, or any of several other psi abilities when fighting with allies, and I have to be careful what I do with Telekinetic Proxy also.

 

[Inf0mercial]

Oh god electrokinesis seems to take some sadistic pleasure in its last jump going its maximum 5 tiles from the 2 enemies standing next to each other it had been rebounding between and smacking an ally right in the face.

So many reloads so much rage until i just took it off my quick bar for those fights.

 

[Commissar Draco]

The AI in this game sometimes...

Warehouse defense mission. I throw a Molotov at one of the enemies. Next round, one of my allies runs through the fire. Round after that, everyone turns hostile on me?

Don't use the grenades while fighting with allies... don't use burst fire while fighting with allies... don't use traps while... Well to be honest way to do this is not fight at all wait till they either win the day or die... its not like they steal your XP from kills like in Arcanum or it really matters if they end up dead or not most of the time... In fact its more of loot for you if they do die... Also DEX confirmed to be THE Stat in this game... Good for SMGs the best weapon in game... lockpicking... fishing... Tech disciplines... IRC throwing too which is even Main Quest necessary to have.

 

[Blaine]

I don't think I even realized (or perhaps I'd forgotten) that burst fire could friendly fire until a few Protectorate Dreadnoughts mowed down some of their comrades for me.

Fort Clown Car, never forget.

 

[Gord]

Somewhat related to the warehouse defense mission (Coretech):
Is this one of those fake-urgency things? I find myself somewhat overwhelmed there and guess I need to come back later.
At the very least I need to buy a shitton of traps to rig the entire place with mines and other niceties.

 

[Lord Andre]

I don't think there are timed quests in the game. Not pre-DC anyway.

Regarding fishing. I have 3 dex but high Biology. So them components would be nice. Would placing 10 fishing rods around a pool help or will the game tell me to go fuck myself ?

I tried a bit of fishing on a different build and it seemed that once a fish bites the rod keep bobbing until I interact with it. Is this true or does the fish slip the hook after a few bobs ?

 

[Gord]

It doesn't keep bobbing. Eventually the fish gets away, at least that's my experience.

 

[Blaine]

Regarding fishing. I have 3 dex but high Biology. So them components would be nice. Would placing 10 fishing rods around a pool help or will the game tell me to go fuck myself ?

While that will probably help with the frequency of bites, it won't do anything for success chance. Between that and what others are saying about a "10 fish limit," there's essentially a cock coming for every one of your holes.

 

[ArchAngel]

Just got done fishing in the Core City sewers, here are my results (DEX 4):

• 35 minutes
• 107 bites
• 13 fish (9 Slackjaw, 3 Yellow Pufferfish, 1 Demon Squid)
• 12.1% success rate
• average 19.6 seconds between bites
• average 2 minutes, 41 seconds to make a successful catch
• sometimes 1, even up to 2 minutes between bites
• worst stretch: 5 minutes, 7 bites, 0 catches

Verdict: Simplistic, miserable, boring, tedious bullshit. Fix success rate, DEX notwithstanding, or remove this trash from the game. I hope those are the only three fish you can catch in the sewers.

So what you are saying is that it is a realistic representation of the real thing.

 

[Excidium II]

Nice to have 10 dex and zero use for fishing.

 

[Blaine]

So what you are saying is that it is a realistic representation of the real thing.

Not at all. The entire act of fishing is reduced to clicking a button on an almost completely static game object, an extreme abstraction, and you get bites far too often and too quickly to be even remotely realistic.

An incredibly low success rate when you do get bites isn't particularly realistic either, despite what one might assume. It's not uncommon out on the lake or river to pull in several fish in a row, and this requires only baiting the hook properly and experience handling rod... neither of which have much of anything to do with "dexterity." It's all a matter of experience. Someone's arthritic grandpa who couldn't thread a spaghetti noodle through a hoop earring could most likely still handle a fishing rod just fine.

Basing fishing success arbitrarily on Dexterity because it's "the stat that seems like it should go along with it" to such an extent that if your DEX is 5 you'll almost always fucking fail, while if it's 7-8 you'll almost always succeed, is clearly absurd.

Funnily enough, I've seen not a soul complain about this other than myself.

 

[Sykar]

Does anyone know if you can wait with a level up one more level? For example I would like to skip level 12 and level up at 13 so I do not have to wait for Locus of Control until 14.

 

[Ziem]

you dont see people bitching about it because fishing is only really useful for characters that heavily invest in biology (and most players dont)

 

[Roguey]

You did exactly the right thing. Don't listen to these stupid assholes. They've been conditioned to play console action RPGs with trash-tier world-building.

Designing areas with realism in mind at the expense of gameplay is a mistake commonly made by amateur designers. You're essentially telling him to stay amateur.