Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Sweeper]

and that's clearly wrong

you don't get to do more damage because you dump defense, it just means you've dumped defense, most likely for marginal benefits - what the fuck is more bang for your buck than not taking hits, not having to abuse LOS, limiting your positioning options before and during combat, not getting netted, not getting entangled by pukeacid, not getting poisoned, doubling or tripling your shield, your health, not spending action points on drugs to pep yourself up, not putting them on cooldown

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and what the fuck are you bringing up tincans for, it's not like I'm insisting on nothing but defense skill utilising builds or utilising defense skills on tincans - another retarded strawman, don't bother me

But why would I invest into dodge/evasion (RNG defenses) when everything on the screen (for the most part) can be CCed and/or killed within 3 turns? Plus, energy shields are a lot more dependable.
You're the guy acting like dodge/evasion are the only forms of defense.

 

[jackofshadows]

Forgive me lord, for my prtsc key is busted

Just use F12 if you playin with steam. Jeez, I though that previous screenshot with hammer hits was made by intention, not by necessity

 

[Ol' Willy]

DEFENSE SKILLS (ESPECIALLY EVASION) ARE THE ULTIMATE QOL SKILLS IN UNDERRAIL

I like some builds that dump defense all the way

3 CON or 9 CON and SI
No Dodge or Evasion
No armor because Regalia or Infused Rathound, Tabis and Goggles
No PSI defenses because PSI is gay
Fat shield but shields are useless against melee, crossbows and PSI

Stealth+mobility is the best defense and QOL in Underrail ever

 

[CHEMS]

Stealth+mobility is the best defense and QOL in Underrail ever

i agree

 

[Sweeper]

you do it for those times you can't CC everyone and kill everything in 3 turns? or just for the sake of not having to cheese every encounter until you get it to work in this one exact way that doesn't end with your ass getting whooped the moment anything survives

As opposed to getting fucked by the dodge/evasion RNG? Guess what, when shit doesn't work out as planned, you're still reloading.

 

[Sweeper]

wtf I hate dodge/evasion now

Good. Because offense and other forms of defense are more dependable than the RNG based ones.

 

[CHEMS]

Everything in underrail is RNG based

 

[Sweeper]

Everything in underrail is RNG based

Damage threshold/resistance, health pool and energy shields aren't RNG based. Dodge and evasion are.

 

[CHEMS]

Everything in underrail is RNG based

Damage threshold/resistance, health pool and energy shields aren't RNG based. Dodge and evasion are.

You're right, but DT can only ignore pitiful quantities of damage unless you're on tincan territory or if you don't care about armor penalty

 

[Fedora Master]

Im sorry, who wrote this? The rest of the writing isn't that janky.

 

[Twiglard]

your retarded ass is reloading encounters again and again, you get fucked the moment you get hit once, and you get fucked the moment your alpha strike doesn't go your way, with no path to recovery, or the half hours you spent laying traps doesn't pan out the exact way you need when put to play

Dodge this! *throws a flashbang*

 

[Twiglard]

flashbangs are not death sentences, no? the first hit following it is not a guaranteed hit, and damage that does connect knocks you back out and puts your defenses back up ie the first hit of a burst is the most likely to hit and the rest can whiff

AR bursts are never a problem for shields, even with mediocre skill around the time of Rail Crossing. Try crossbow bolts, or 300 damage Aimed Shot snipers. Enemies tend to throw flashbangs at the end of their turns so it's more-or-less random what you're gonna get hit with.

Aside from Dom, shield users reload when they forget to enable the shield before ending the turn. And on Dom, Dodge/Evasion are heavily penalized to the point that Grover of all people manages to hit you every time.

"phew, didn't need those defense skills after all, glad I can open up every lock and keypad for those precious rubber balls and rags"

Sure. What's next, not dumping CON?

 

[CHEMS]

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Im sorry, who wrote this? The rest of the writing isn't that janky.

Everything about "camera trouble" is bad.

 

[Sweeper]

and I have a shield, and I get more use out of it with defense, so what the fuck is your point? crossbow bolts? sniper shots? I can shield when incap, I CAN EVADE them when not, you CAN'T, I'm LIMBER, you're A STIFF

You also invested 320 points more into an RNG based defense, 320 points you could have utilized better.
METAL ARMOR > DODGE/EVASION
STEALTH > DODGE/EVASION
MOBILITY > DODGE/EVASION
CC > DODGE/EVASION
DAMAGE > DODGE/EVASION
ENERGY SHIELDS > DODGE/EVASION

But don't get me wrong, dodge/evasion is great... on normal. And even then, all of the above is better.

 

[jackofshadows]

These new guys are tough. I simply can't kill them at 24lvl, need more damage. Will try again with veteran perks and some other adjustments.

RE evasion/dodge. Idk about relying on those, never tried it on DOM but getting evasion at expense some crafting/lockpicking and making low-low shield seems like a good idea for many builds. Just not at expense anything that might give more offence.

Everything about "camera trouble" is bad.

Huh? Where's that? Or it's a random thing?

 

[Tigranes]

Camera trouble is the new quest with SGS Level 7 electronics dude. Sometimes it ends with them capturing you and you blasting your way out, sometimes they talk to you about their weird issue with their robots, which is when you get the dialogue. And yeah, it's definitely weird janky prose all the way through.

 

[CHEMS]

Huh? Where's that? Or it's a random thing?

It's a random thing near the beginning. Lucas asks you to help Harlan.

These new guys are tough. I simply can't kill them at 24lvl, need more damage. Will try again with veteran perks and some other adjustments.

Did at level 14 on DOM, doable with traps and lots of gas grenades. Very fun fight.

 

[Sweeper]

utilised better? what's better? what am I not investing in by investing in defense? investing in defense doesn't detract from your ability to invest in stealth, mobility, CC, damage or crafting energy shields, so WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POINT

Well, no. If you want to craft the best stuff, you'll also need to invest into mercantile to unlock merchant tiers, for the best crafting components. If you're non-psi, I guess you can put points into dodge/evasion, but then even with the nerfs psycho-temporal contraction is still very much worth it and is a better investment than dodge/evasion. And if you're putting 55 points for contraction, might as well put 70 into TM for stasis. And 45 in psychokinesis for imprint.
Then there's throwing. It's the most cost effective way to get some AoE and CC in your build. You wanna put in at least 50-60 points depending on DEX, I like putting in a little more to avoid save scumming.

I've said it before I'll say it again bro, anything you put into dodge/evasion could have been better used elsewhere.

 

[CHEMS]

I've said it before I'll say it again bro, anything you put into dodge/evasion could have been better used elsewhere.

Things can't hit you if they're dead. I think evasion/dodge in a melee build is a must. Ranged i'd put it on evasion only since everything near me will get blasted before hitting me

 

[CHEMS]

Don't diss stasis, it is THE greatest ability in the whole game!

 

[Sweeper]

you dumb nigger, those are all coping strats for lack of genuine defense

I can afford all the mercantile milestones, I can even afford to MAX THROWING, all the while maxing crafting, I DON'T NEED TO CHEESE AI WITH STASIS

NOW SACRIFICE DODGE, which a faggot might, and you can even afford a whole school of PSI just for YOUR FAGGOT ASS

you have given it literally 0 thought, you fucking automaton

Post build.

 

[Tygrende]

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Im sorry, who wrote this? The rest of the writing isn't that janky.

The new dev, Yogi. A severe case of ESL. There's a few more places he wrote and they all feel off, but I think this particular NPC is by far the worst.

 

[ItsChon]

These new guys are tough. I simply can't kill them at 24lvl, need more damage. Will try again with veteran perks and some other adjustments.

WTF is this? I've never seen this before!

 

[Sweeper]

build it yourself if you care and show me how the skillpoint distribution doesn't pan out

the only thing you won't have is subterfuge skills, but it's only because of the supposed bangbuckmax value of crafting and psi, which I don't share

Post build.

 

[Tygrende]

you dumb nigger, those are all coping strats for lack of genuine defense

I can afford all the mercantile milestones, I can even afford to MAX THROWING, all the while maxing crafting, I DON'T NEED TO CHEESE AI WITH STASIS

NOW SACRIFICE DODGE, which a faggot might, and you can even afford a whole school of PSI just for YOUR FAGGOT ASS

you have given it literally 0 thought, you fucking automaton

Post build.

build it yourself if you care and show me how the skillpoint distribution doesn't pan out

the only thing you won't have is subterfuge skills, but it's only because of the supposed bangbuckmax value of crafting and psi, which I don't share

Put up or shut up.