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Underrail: The Incline Awakens

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Irrelevancy works both ways, you know.
Not when battery drain is universally proportional to engine power, which does matter a lot. It improves carry capacity and speed. At this point there's no reason not to install the strongest engine available with no regard for energy consumption whatsoever.

Also, as a side note, batteries can be traded to some merchants to whom you may not have anything else to sell at the time (Ray being an example).
If there's not a huge pile of ski parts in front of Ray at all times that you can't sell fast enough then you're doing something wrong, and that also applies on DOM at just 25% base value. I thought you pride yourself in being a happy merchant. Step it up, Ray is a charon mine.
 

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The fact that the expedition camp, with top notch military equipment financed by the UNITED STATIONS FUND can get razed by tribals with bone spears and xbows is just ridiculous lol
It makes sense on DOM.

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The Patroller needs either +50 durability or more speed and maneuverability in order to be a proper side grade. As it is, the Cruiser is overall superior, which I dislike as that's not really true of any other premium jet... except the Blazer, but even it is an affordable light jet, which can be an important factor.

The plasma leviator has the 3 size suspension slot, which is a gamechanger: it gives a whooping + 30% stability. It's my favorite one for fights, though i like the torpedo a lot because of the amounts of backtracking you'll do in the black sea and waterways.

Unpopular opinion: i think the devastator is overrated as fuck

Using a large suspension is a waste of space if you have +30% stability from the two naval warfare feats, or even just one of them (depending on the jet). For example, the 7 lb. XG Storm Cloud offers +12% suspension. On a 60% base stability jet, that's 60% + 30% +12% = 102% stability. Having said that, I'm not sure if stability >100% will actually give you a bonus, though that seems doubtful. Extra weight definitely translates to less supplies/loot haulage and a reduced speed gradient.

I'm using the Leviator right now because I like the variety of trying out different jets, but in my opinion the Shark and Protectorate Cruiser are right up there with it as the three overall best jets. The Cruiser is slightly less protective and has slightly less potential engine power and battery reserves than the Leviator, but is substantially faster when suped up (440/74% with both Abandoned Waterways unique engines). Speed is life. The Shark is faster still (substantially >500, can't check at the moment), but again, less protective, less potential engine power, less battery reserves. You can look at them as three gradients of the same concept.

Of course the Leviator has its plasma cannon, but the vehicle weapons aren't always gamechangers.

I group all combat-worthy premium jets into five categories (I've noted my preferred model within each category with a >, although that's in terms of stats; aesthetics-wise, I prefer the Devastator and Patroller to their counterparts):

  • Superheavy (Leviator > Devastator)
  • Heavy (Cruiser > Patroller)
  • Medium (Shark > Glow)
  • Light (Phaser > Blazer)
  • Ultralight (Torpedo)

They're all very usable and customizable to different tastes and builds, which is a massive victory from a game design standpoint. That's why I want the Reef Glider to have a niche. Even the junk jets (affordable, and also NPCs have to have jets too) and freighter (towing) fill clear and needful niches. The Reef Glider fills no niche as an actual jet performance-wise, only as a collector's item or monetary reward.

A final note, the built-in lights of the Glow and Phaser are not to be sniffed at. They allow ranged builds that need to close distance (like my Expertise SMG build) to, for example, wear a strong metal helmet with a shaded visor instead of needing NVGs, without completely shitting on precision. ...On the other hand, I just remembered that my metal helmet also has a headlamp (new thing added since I last played), so never mind.
 
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Damn, I love security cameras in Expedition now that I'm playing a stealth build.

Yes, you should all hurry to the spot indicated by those several cameras. There is an intruder here. Said intruder is waiting to serve all of you with a plasma grenade appetizer, EMP grenade entrée, and a delightful W2C hosedown for dessert.

This was a lot more stressful when playing a non-stealth spear/riot shield build, grenades or no grenades.
 

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i mean yeah... once naga goes online they barely scratch it on dom

They do though... there's a Skaerda that lobs blobs of rusting acid.

Ah, so: the motivation driving Styg to implement thrown acid vials becomes all too clear.

At some point, we should make a list of feats and utilities that benefit NPCs much more than player, which will include nearly everything that's very good versus a singular, very powerful opponent in a protracted engagement. The player gets far more value out of feats and utilities that either affect entire groups or can burn down relatively less powerful individual enemies very quickly, preferably in a single turn.

Crippling Strike certainly qualifies, as do most single-target immobilization and stun abilities. Of course, the player can single out individual enemies on a fairly regular basis; I don't mean to say that the player gets NO value from such feats and utilities.
 

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I like getting feats that will be useful when i'm at higher levels. You won't be needing cripling strike when each knife strike deals 200 damage.
 

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give us 1 possible level of quick pockets (possibly as soon as returning Old Jonas' watch, he'd be a good fit to teach you a trick of the trade, possibly if you already have quick pockets, many things are possible like more JONAS CONTENT) through questing in the world and another by means of electing for the feat during leveling - not necessarily in order - ultimately maxing the utility slots without the durka durka jihad jihad belt

give us a level of interloper by means of interloping during a quest and another level by means of electing for it during level up

rathound king, plz give a free pack rathound (for killing Edgar???!!! hunter vs packrat deep choice)

I want free stuff and I want stuff that gels with what you can elect for during level up like SEA DOG

Give us actual poison knives that poison when you go stabbity stab stab
 

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give us 1 possible level of quick pockets (possibly as soon as returning Old Jonas' watch, he'd be a good fit to teach you a trick of the trade, possibly if you already have quick pockets, many things are possible like more JONAS CONTENT) through questing in the world and another by means of electing for the feat during leveling - not necessarily in order - ultimately maxing the utility slots without the durka durka jihad jihad belt

give us a level of interloper by means of interloping during a quest and another level by means of electing for it during level up

rathound king, plz give a free pack rathound (for killing Edgar???!!! hunter vs packrat deep choice)

I want free stuff and I want stuff that gels with what you can elect for during level up like SEA DOG

Give us actual poison knives that poison when you go stabbity stab stab
I've been suggesting this as well, especially because we actually have implemented "weapon coatings" in the form of Protectorate omnilube now. Would be cool even if it only lasted for 1 hit. More would probably get too OP with crawler poison.
 

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give us 1 possible level of quick pockets (possibly as soon as returning Old Jonas' watch, he'd be a good fit to teach you a trick of the trade, possibly if you already have quick pockets, many things are possible like more JONAS CONTENT) through questing in the world and another by means of electing for the feat during leveling - not necessarily in order - ultimately maxing the utility slots without the durka durka jihad jihad belt

give us a level of interloper by means of interloping during a quest and another level by means of electing for it during level up

rathound king, plz give a free pack rathound (for killing Edgar???!!! hunter vs packrat deep choice)

I want free stuff and I want stuff that gels with what you can elect for during level up like SEA DOG

Give us actual poison knives that poison when you go stabbity stab stab
I've been suggesting this as well, especially because we actually have implemented "weapon coatings" in the form of Protectorate omnilube now. Would be cool even if it only lasted for 1 hit. More would probably get too OP with crawler poison.

That'd be so cool... also bonus damage for stabbing in the back just like in Arcanum
 

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I like getting feats that will be useful when i'm at higher levels. You won't be needing cripling strike when each knife strike deals 200 damage.

Oh, I agree. Crippling Strike seems to exist mainly so that Lurkers and Core City hobos can aggravate the living bejeezus out of tin can builds.

Anyway, I deal with limited utility slots by carrying about six or seven utilities, but less than the maximum of each to save on weight. With a stealth build, you usually have time and opportunity to swap when needed... unless you forget, as I often do, which is why I'll probably take Quick Pockets as my level 30 feat. That said, every slot counts. It's down to a choice between Quick Pockets, Quick Tinkering, and Sea Dog for me now; I can clearly easily get by without Sea Dog. I might go Quick Tinkering instead just to feel I've gotten full use out of my Traps skill. The obscene power of Spec Ops Expertise SMGs and grenades renders traps fairly superfluous in the late game on this build, although quick detection, disarmament, and recovery are always useful.

You know what this game needs? Floating mines. You know why? Because there are jet ski patrols and innocent skiiers happening by on a regular basis. Mostly, though, it would be fun.
 

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This game needs nothing. What I need however is Infusion and I need it NOW. CSG is 1.5 year away (ompitistic scenario) Trudograd aka cringe-simulator got postponed to autumn, Wasteland 3 turned out to be utter consolized shite. There are so few good post-apoc RPGs around it's nuts!
 

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Well, Underrail does need a copy editing pass over some of the recently implemented dialogue and descriptions. The worst by far is that woman in the cave at the end of the Abandoned Waterways.

I wish Styg would bring someone on board as a volunteer copy editor (or several, in the case of non-English translations) rather than relying on a suggestion thread.

Note that while Underrail's writing and editing aren't perfect, they have improved greatly over the years and are good enough not to detract from the game; besides, English isn't the creator's first language. Nevertheless, the new content needs a pass.
 

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I decided to buy Expedition yersterday and reinstalled Underrail from scratch. I have some weird bug where the game keeps hanging for a couple of seconds every 15/20 seconds :negative:
 

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Well, Underrail does need a copy editing pass over some of the recently implemented dialogue and descriptions. The worst by far is that woman in the cave at the end of the Abandoned Waterways.

I wish Styg would bring someone on board as a volunteer copy editor (or several, in the case of non-English translations) rather than relying on a suggestion thread.

Note that while Underrail's writing and editing aren't perfect, they have improved greatly over the years and are good enough not to detract from the game; besides, English isn't the creator's first language. Nevertheless, the new content needs a pass.
All the weird new dialogue is from a new dev that clearly has a poor grasp on English. I have no idea what's going on, really.
 

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I love the Devastator. Just the idea of cruising around in a fucking destroyer gives me a hardon.

Be a real shame if someone were to toss a Coke can with some batteries in it at that destroyer while it trundles its way into battle with its one cannon. On the plus side, it'll offer you excellent protection while you're feverishly recharging your battery.

It's a cool-looking jet for sure. It's slow, but it takes a beating and carries a lot of loot before it gets even slower. However, I tend to prefer zooming around on the Shark or Phaser. The Phaser in particular is great for boarding enemy vessels on the first turn.
 

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The aggravating thing about the largest jets is that there's no way to get the best large engines anywhere in the game.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
All the weird new dialogue is from a new dev that clearly has a poor grasp on English. I have no idea what's going on, really.
Maybe I'm missing something but I haven't noticed any bad dialogue? The screenshot that was posted was meant to be in accented English I thought?
 

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All the weird new dialogue is from a new dev that clearly has a poor grasp on English. I have no idea what's going on, really.
Maybe I'm missing something but I haven't noticed any bad dialogue? The screenshot that was posted was meant to be in accented English I thought?
That was my first thought as well, but it does feel off regardless and it's the same exact brand of "off" in a lot of recently added content. Mushroom guy from the broken camera quest, the lady at the waterways dungeon, the tattoo guy, that's all off the top of my head.
 

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What I meant is that the large-size engines are heavier, the jet skis have worse speed coefficients, but the largest engines are the only ones that don't have the biggest engines existing anywhere in the game world.

They're still capable of hauling the largest piles of loot though.
 

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