Unofficial Arcanum Patch (Original Thread)

[fastpunk]

It won't be released due to newfound bugs. Most likely, I'll never release it, since I believe it changes the game too much.

I see. The game looks alright as it is anyway, high-res would have been just a small bonus.

 

[OracleX]

http://www.terra-arcanum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=14699

also a WIP of a resolution patch

 

[Kz3r0]

There's some other minor questions.
In the previous page you have mentioned a floating animation for the Silver Lady, when I spoken with her I haven't noticed, it's already active?

Now I have Waromon in my party, here my stats:
-level 24
-CH 12
-Expert in persuasion
-Beauty 4
-WP 10
-Alignement 100 good
When he joined me I was over 90 alignement, solving two quests had prompted his negative reaction twice, saying he don't follow the likes of me(too noble), but he is still in the party, in my early games I remember the first time would be enough for him to leave.
Currently I'm completing the ancient gods quest, I should make a offering to Alcyon to complete the first circle, the offer to Makaal can be affecting his behavior? I'm a ugly female elf beat with a stick expert in bow, dodge and melee, I don't know if this counts.
Also I have noticed Waromon is an expert with bow, but apprentice and expert status for followers should be available only with a trainer character, am I wrong ?
I'm not complaining for his behavior or skill, I want to be sure that this aren't glitches.
By the way the game is running smoothly, so mine are mostly curiosities.

 

[Drog Black Tooth]

There's some other minor questions.
In the previous page you have mentioned a floating animation for the Silver Lady, when I spoken with her I haven't noticed, it's already active?

The animation stops when you initiate the dialogue. Perhaps, you just didn't notice it.

When he joined me I was over 90 alignement, solving two quests had prompted his negative reaction twice, saying he don't follow the likes of me(too noble), but he is still in the party, in my early games I remember the first time would be enough for him to leave.

I'm not sure how it gets calculated.

Also I have noticed Waromon is an expert with bow, but apprentice and expert status for followers should be available only with a trainer character, am I wrong ?

Some followers have training. Also, as a monster, Waromon will be getting training in Melee (up to Master) automatically (the Dog does that too).

 

[theorel]

Surly virgil line 519, towards the end says nothing wrong me at all, should be "wrong with me at all".
K'an Hua line 108: slow, than ceased should be then.
line 151: Nasrudin brought him done, should be down.
line 415: life force flow, should be life forces according to voiceover.
Finally, I don't know if this can be fixed, but K'an Hua repeats his last line when going into the cinematic, it's a pretty long line, and it results in the screen being black for sometime between courtroom and battle scene. I think it shouldn't be repeated.

 

[Drog Black Tooth]

Surly virgil line 519, towards the end says nothing wrong me at all, should be "wrong with me at all".

Fixed. The VO also says "I'm more myself" instead of "I'm more of myself" that's written in the dialogue.

K'an Hua line 108: slow, than ceased should be then.

Fixed.

line 151: Nasrudin brought him done, should be down.

Fixed.

line 415: life force flow, should be life forces according to voiceover.

You must be mistaken, the VO clearly says "life force".

Finally, I don't know if this can be fixed, but K'an Hua repeats his last line when going into the cinematic, it's a pretty long line, and it results in the screen being black for sometime between courtroom and battle scene. I think it shouldn't be repeated.

This is how the original video is. K'an Hua's movie clip is just Nasrudin's clip ran with a different audio. I'd assume they ran out of lines to fill the video's length, and recycled some from the dialogue.

Also, native speakers, please give me an opinion on this:

Now that the glaringly obvious has been pointed out the me (thumps head), you're right. These lines do need to be corrected to keep the gender references in line.

Suggestions: (female only)
"Nothing, nothing. It's only that a lady might be talking to Mr. Willoughsby ..."
"You see? Two people, strangers really....."

What about these:

- Willoughsby, his response to line 112: you are not "the man we are looking for"
- Richard Leeks, line 18 "Surely men of reason..."

 

[Earth Nuggets]

I forgot about this one. Fogive me for not providing line numbers, but it's really a script issue. After you speak to Mr. Willoughsby about the negotiations in Caladon and speak to the guy who tells you to assassinate King Farad, you can go back to Willoughsby and tattle on him. Willoushby will then tell his Half-Ogre bodyguard to kill the traitor, but the Half-Ogre does not do this.

 

[theorel]

For Willoughsby responding to line 112 should definitely be person, as he referred to you as a person to get to line 112.

Leeks is a tougher case. In my opinion it doesn't make sense for a woman to refer to herself as being among men of reason...but also one wouldn't say individuals of reason or people of reason.
Some suggestions:
Change men of reason to reasonable people. "Surely reasonable people need not speak with each other like this."
Make a new line just for women: something like, "Please sir, let's be reasonable."
Or something from out in left field, "Sir, that's no way to talk to a lady."
Also, line 22 should be I think, not just think.

As for Heinrichall following things are my opinion as to which is better, I am a native speaker, but we probably won't all agree )(all of course only changes to female side of conversation)
line 27: we're just two men having a conversation... people is better.
line 33: Someone in place of a man, it maintains the air of vagueness, while allowing for the flow into using "you" being feminine. lady would work, but seems to disrupt that flow.
line 61 can stay wise man...his without any difficulty.(though being changed to smart woman...her wouldn't necessarily be bad as he's trying to be convincing to a woman(earlier in dialog wise man is changed to smart woman))
line 110: I think individuals fits best, people is also okay. Also the end of that line is a little rough. I'll mention at the end of post.
line 126: men could be people, but men is better.(he's referring to Willoughsby's employees in general)
line 142: People is better, but men is okay.(he's referring to men like you, but you aren't a man.)(also line 199 he uses people like you for both genders)
line 229: man should simply be woman.
Also, in Jenks2
line 5: sir should be madam.

back to line 110 as it's a separate controversy. He says "things are being done. Good things, mind you, necessary things. Things that made this city great..." The switch in the last sentence to 'made' is bad grammatically, which is somewhat unfitting for this character in my opinion. The "Things" in the last sentence are the same things as in the first sentence...they are present things, not past things. So, it should be either "Things like what made this city great"(if made is correct, and he's offering a veiled reference to the past) or "Things that will make this city great"(If 'that' is correct, no reference). In my opinion, "Things like what made" is better.

 

[wrhunter]

I didn't beat all of the warriors in the pit, then I became the champion. I slept till healed after every fight, then in the third fight I needn't kill my foe, in the forth fight I met both the third and the forth, and that's all.

Another problem is, I met Arronax while back to Tarant, then I met him again on my way to Wheel Clan.

By the way, I had mentioned that some items were covered, and when the obstacles couldn't be destroyed (such as trees), I still couldn't pick up what I need.

 

[MaskedMan]

line 33: Someone in place of a man, it maintains the air of vagueness, while allowing for the flow into using "you" being feminine. lady would work, but seems to disrupt that flow.

But isn't it a little inconsistent, starting out all vague about "someone", and then suddenly refer to that vague "someone" as "you", in the same sentence even.

back to line 110 as it's a separate controversy.

Hmm, I think we (Drog) should be a little wary of changing too much of the dialogue in the game. That is why I only report things that I perceive as clear errors; typos, gender confusion, and stuff that just plain doesn't make sense. That being said I agree with you here, and I too find your first suggestion the most appropriate, he does talk a lot about how great and noble the gnomes were when they "restructured" Tarant, and it is only natural that he should want to compare what he is planning to do to their actions.

Anyway, here is some more for you Drog, I hope these are less controversial :

- Typo in the book "How Nasrudin defeated the nefarious Arronax!", "Arronax may still be lying in wait for those who do not mind there elders and keep to their studies.", should be "mind their elders".

- Typo in "Horror among the Dark Elves", "...at the thought of what am I about to tell you", should be "what I am about.." (Has this one been fixed already? I seem to remember reading about it in this thread, but I couldn't find the report)

- More in "Dark Elves", "Mr. Quentin Payne, famed explorer and gentlemen in every sense of the word", should be "gentleman" .I suppose it could refer to both Mr. Payne and Ben'al, but wording doesn't suit this either, and would require even further change for it to make sense, here is a pic, decide for yourself.

- That page also contains a "Glimmering Forests",

- When asking the Herbalist in the Wheel clan for healing (line 6), then "never mind", you get the "what do you have" dialogue instead of taking you back to the "main screen"

- The female gnome in the Roseborough Gift Shop can be called "my good man" when asking for rumors (line 720), can be replaced with the often used "ma'am"

- Should Virgils response to line 184 at the start of the game be voiced? It just seems a little odd that all his lines, even the ones for retards, are voiced except for this one.

- Talking to Raven:
- Her reply to line 646 (& 546, as far as I can see they are identical) "We elves are a magickal race, and wise the ways of rune and prophecy...", should be "wise to the ways.."
- Her reply to line 656, "I know the Vendigroth Wastes are to the north...", should be north-east.
- Her reply to line 201, "When she had caught up it.." , should be "caught up with it"
- Her reply to line 209, "were the spirits of elves..", should be "spirits of the elves"
- Her reply to line 471, "the only person who may know", should be "might know" ?
(All of these corrections are based on the VO, though the last one is just nitpicking)

- Talking to Trevor Lynwood, his reply to line 107: "an adventure like myself.", should be adventurer. Horrible quoting by me, and I can't be bothered to type it all up, here is a pic of it in context:


- This guy doesn't seem to be impressed by my "hero of the wheel clan" reputation

(he lives next to the smith I think)

- Talking to Hadrian:
- In his reply to line 282: "so the barbarians threatened to cut off one his fingers", should be one of his fingers.
- In his reply to line 65: "..need someone to digging in the Bangellian deeps..", should be "to dig in.." / "for digging.." / "to do digging..", I'm not sure how to put it, but I don't think it works the way it is now.


- Talking to Gunther Wilhelm, line 116: "To tell you the truth I'm really don't know", should be "I".

 

[Drog Black Tooth]

Excellent work, MaskedMan! Checking your reports.

I forgot about this one. Fogive me for not providing line numbers, but it's really a script issue. After you speak to Mr. Willoughsby about the negotiations in Caladon and speak to the guy who tells you to assassinate King Farad, you can go back to Willoughsby and tattle on him. Willoushby will then tell his Half-Ogre bodyguard to kill the traitor, but the Half-Ogre does not do this.

Wasn't able to reproduce. Lorham killem him just fine.

 

[theorel]

theorel wrote:
line 33: Someone in place of a man, it maintains the air of vagueness, while allowing for the flow into using "you" being feminine. lady would work, but seems to disrupt that flow.

But isn't it a little inconsistent, starting out all vague about "someone", and then suddenly refer to that vague "someone" as "you", in the same sentence even.

Ah, I see what's happening, although I don't know if I can explain it. I'll try to explain then say what I think is best...basically it comes down to usage of you as the generic pronoun. Nowadays one uses you instead of one, but classically one was used. as in "One never knows what he's going to find when he seeks out grammatical correctness" versus "You never know what you're going to find when you seek out grammatical correctness." So, in this case, it seems to me that you is being used as the generic pronoun, and it's confusing because it also happens to apply to the person being spoken to. So, what can be done?
I think the best solution is to replace "you" with "he", I think this fits the period and intention best.
Otherwise changing "a man" to "someone" maintains the same generality as "a man". As the you does not seem to me to be an actual reference to the character, but rather a veiled reference.
My previous explanation was not the best, but I think that explains why I felt that someone was better than a lady.

- In his reply to line 65: "..need someone to digging in the Bangellian deeps..", should be "to dig in.." / "for digging.." / "to do digging..", I'm not sure how to put it, but I don't think it works the way it is now.

I think "to go digging" sounds more like what was intended.

As for line 110, I thought it was clearly wrong, the controversy could be in how exactly to fix it.

 

[MaskedMan]

great explanation

Oops, I misunderstood. I think I get it now..

 

[Ander Vinz]

-If you kill Bates and sell his journal to Aplleby his story doesn't get into newspapers.

- You can ask Randver's spirit where Loghaire is after you talked to and killed both.

- You can free imprisoned elf and kill guards but Bedokaan Chieftain talks to you like nothing happened.

- Other Bedokaans (except those nearby) don't attack you when you kill their leader.

- You can't complete Myrth's quest if you have found Quintarra. (You can't give him giant's pelt).

- Tarant Officers still can be asked about Schuylers and Bates after Quintarra.

- Leftmost Advisory Board Member (master persuasion quest) is missing description.

- You can walk through some parts of the tents in Poachers camp.

- Raven spirit's lines 964 and 967 shouldn't be accessible after you talked to M'in Gorad (and should happen only once).

- You can ask Bates' spirit (line 944) about his story when you already know it (or no longer need it).

- Mr. Razzia's line 10 can be taken if you no longer have the passport and more than once.

- Lines 261 and 341 of Chief Inspector Henderson are suggesting that you should be given a note but it doesn't happen. You can talk to Renee even if you haven't taken line 271 with Henderson. If you take line 339 with Henderson you can no longer accept the quest.
Btw, you can conjure for interrogation spirit of only one killed woman and only once (that's how most of dialogues should be scripted, I think). But when you get information from spirit only line 139 becomes available with Henderson ("I saw the name L'anamelach written in green blood, of all things."), I guess there's no special lines for this case.
I think the best solution will be disabling lines and stuff for first two victims and allowing to talk with only the last when you find out the name of the demon anyway.
Jiheirad and his party can be resurrected. This results in possibility to repeat dialogue.
You can take line 161 with Jiheirad many times until you find correct order to stop him from entering the cave.
Line 137 with Henderson is repeatable.
Vincent's dialogue shouldn't be acessible more than once and he shouldn't be resurrectable.

- When I got "Instigator of Orc Riots" reputation, lines 761 and 768 with Bates reappeared. Line 768 (maybe because of low reaction) is repeatable, each time giving you 500 gold.

- Innkeeper at The Bridesdale Inn, people in Wellington club, Stanton and his guards, paperboy near Appleby's, Appleby himself, half-elf near Thurston's fashion place, a man at Madam Lil's bar and member of thief Underground near Pettibone residence have 120-145 reaction when most Tarantians attack me because of -5, -15 reaction and maximum positive is 15.
Madam Lil, her girls and Nicholas give me -70-100 reaction for some reason - isn't there a mistake in calculations?

- Bates has Nice Suite in his inventory but doesn't wear it. He sleeps in standing state between his two beds.

- Human guards outside Bates' mansion do not always attack you when you killed Bates if you escaped without killing all guards on the second floor. (Or maybe there's another reason...)

- You can see W. Thomas Moreau's name in his description even if you didn't talk to him before.

- Killing Madam Toussaude after receiving her blessing doesn't result in cancelling the latter but instead you have her blessing and a curse at the same time.

- Quintarra's guards have Oiled Leather in their pockets but don't wear it.

- You can sell "Kerghan and Persephone" to Thaddeus Mynor more than once and Stolen Painting quest doesn't autofail upon this.

- When you finish negotiations between Caladon and Tarant, king Farad disappears but Heinrich Jenks' quest doesn't autofail upon this.

I noticed that these bugs haven't been addressed. What's wrong with them?

 

[Drog Black Tooth]

There's no need to remind me what to do. I have a check list with everything that's been posted in this thread written down, and these are not of great importance, so I'll get to them later. Moreover, at least a third of this list is nitpicking which I won't be addressing at all.

 

[Ander Vinz]

Which of them are nitpicking?

 

[Drog Black Tooth]

Finished checking the bug report.

- Typo in the book "How Nasrudin defeated the nefarious Arronax!", "Arronax may still be lying in wait for those who do not mind there elders and keep to their studies.", should be "mind their elders".

- Typo in "Horror among the Dark Elves", "...at the thought of what am I about to tell you", should be "what I am about.." (Has this one been fixed already? I seem to remember reading about it in this thread, but I couldn't find the report)

- More in "Dark Elves", "Mr. Quentin Payne, famed explorer and gentlemen in every sense of the word", should be "gentleman" .I suppose it could refer to both Mr. Payne and Ben'al, but wording doesn't suit this either, and would require even further change for it to make sense, here is a pic, decide for yourself.

- That page also contains a "Glimmering Forests",

- When asking the Herbalist in the Wheel clan for healing (line 6), then "never mind", you get the "what do you have" dialogue instead of taking you back to the "main screen"

All fixed.

- The female gnome in the Roseborough Gift Shop can be called "my good man" when asking for rumors (line 720), can be replaced with the often used "ma'am"

You got one of the generic responses, that generate automatically based on a NPC's gender. Yes, the gnome was male by mistake. I mentioned before that it would be a good idea to check all these female gnomes and halflings by quicksaving, killing and quickloading - to see if a soundbank is male. In fact, lots of other NPCs with unique art (non-standard armor/clothes) often have wrongs soundbanks, portraits, races, so feel free to check them by killing them from time to time.

- Should Virgils response to line 184 at the start of the game be voiced? It just seems a little odd that all his lines, even the ones for retards, are voiced except for this one.

Yes, I know of this one. The file is there but it doesn't play in the game for some reason. The same things as with that line in Gilbert Bates' dialogue.

- Talking to Raven:
- Her reply to line 646 (& 546, as far as I can see they are identical) "We elves are a magickal race, and wise the ways of rune and prophecy...", should be "wise to the ways.."
- Her reply to line 656, "I know the Vendigroth Wastes are to the north...", should be north-east.
- Her reply to line 201, "When she had caught up it.." , should be "caught up with it"

All fixed. Used "northeast" though, since a hyphen is not used in other dialogues.

- Her reply to line 209, "were the spirits of elves..", should be "spirits of the elves"

Didn't hear this one, the VO matches the text perfectly. Can send you the sound clip if you want.

- Her reply to line 471, "the only person who may know", should be "might know" ?
(All of these corrections are based on the VO, though the last one is just nitpicking)

Yes, she clearly says "might".

- Talking to Trevor Lynwood, his reply to line 107: "an adventure like myself.", should be adventurer. Horrible quoting by me, and I can't be bothered to type it all up, here is a pic of it in context

Fixed.

- This guy doesn't seem to be impressed by my "hero of the wheel clan" reputation
(he lives next to the smith I think)

There were 4 dwarves whose origins were not set.

- Talking to Hadrian:
- In his reply to line 282: "so the barbarians threatened to cut off one his fingers", should be one of his fingers.
- In his reply to line 65: "..need someone to digging in the Bangellian deeps..", should be "to dig in.." / "for digging.." / "to do digging..", I'm not sure how to put it, but I don't think it works the way it is now.

Fixed the both. Used "to go digging" variant, suggested by theorel.

- Talking to Gunther Wilhelm, line 116: "To tell you the truth I'm really don't know", should be "I".

Fixed.

Thanks again for your efforts.

BTW, it seems the Tgt_Obj_No_T_PC flag in the Disintegrate spell doesn't work. I was disintegrated around 10 times in a row by K'an Hua. There's no way to fix it (other than removing the spell from all NPCs), it seems. Oh, well.

 

[Drog Black Tooth]

I didn't beat all of the warriors in the pit, then I became the champion. I slept till healed after every fight, then in the third fight I needn't kill my foe, in the forth fight I met both the third and the forth, and that's all.

The scripts are timed. I'll see what I can do about this.

Another problem is, I met Arronax while back to Tarant, then I met him again on my way to Wheel Clan.

Interesting. Actually, the Mysterious Apparition is placed in front of the Wheel Clan's entrance, just in case you have teleportation and don't travel on the world map. But still he should appear only once, either in a random encounter or in front of the Wheel Clan.

By the way, I had mentioned that some items were covered, and when the obstacles couldn't be destroyed (such as trees), I still couldn't pick up what I need.

You have to stand on a near tile and click on an item while holding down ALT key. If an item is further then you won't be able to reach for it though.

For Willoughsby responding to line 112 should definitely be person, as he referred to you as a person to get to line 112.

Changed to "person" in female line.

Leeks is a tougher case. In my opinion it doesn't make sense for a woman to refer to herself as being among men of reason...but also one wouldn't say individuals of reason or people of reason.
Some suggestions:
Change men of reason to reasonable people. "Surely reasonable people need not speak with each other like this."
Make a new line just for women: something like, "Please sir, let's be reasonable."
Or something from out in left field, "Sir, that's no way to talk to a lady."
Also, line 22 should be I think, not just think.

When in confusion, it's always a good idea to take a look at other dialogues, or better, make a search through all of them! "Men of reason" also appears in another blacksmith's dialogue (Lloyd Gurloes in Shrouded Hills). Here's how they solved the problem there:
Excuse me, good sir? Is that any way for men of reason to speak? // male line
Excuse me, good sir? Might not we speak as equals? // female line
This way, I added the following female line to Leeks' dialogue: "Please good sir, might not we speak as equals?". (The line doesn't come right after the low reaction greeting, so "excuse me" is not fitting).

As for Heinrichall following things are my opinion as to which is better, I am a native speaker, but we probably won't all agree )(all of course only changes to female side of conversation)
line 27: we're just two men having a conversation... people is better.

Changed to "two people".

line 33: Someone in place of a man, it maintains the air of vagueness, while allowing for the flow into using "you" being feminine. lady would work, but seems to disrupt that flow.

Changed to "person", to be consistent.

line 61 can stay wise man...his without any difficulty.(though being changed to smart woman...her wouldn't necessarily be bad as he's trying to be convincing to a woman(earlier in dialog wise man is changed to smart woman))

Changed to "smart woman"/"her".

line 110: I think individuals fits best, people is also okay. Also the end of that line is a little rough. I'll mention at the end of post.

Changed to "two people".

line 126: men could be people, but men is better.(he's referring to Willoughsby's employees in general)

Yes, he's talking in general.

line 142: People is better, but men is okay.(he's referring to men like you, but you aren't a man.)(also line 199 he uses people like you for both genders)

Yes, I think, it's OK.

line 229: man should simply be woman.

Changed to "person". "The woman he's looking for" may imply a romantic relationship, I think.

Also, in Jenks2
line 5: sir should be madam.

Yes.

Thank you for the input.

 

[Chefe]

Hey, quick question. I found my Arcanum disc, installed it, patched it, and installed your patch. I'm getting this error that says "The procedure entry point _AIL_set_stream_volume@8 could not be located in the dynamic link library mss32.dll." Are you familiar with this?

 

[Drog Black Tooth]

Hey, quick question. I found my Arcanum disc, installed it, patched it, and installed your patch. I'm getting this error that says "The procedure entry point _AIL_set_stream_volume@8 could not be located in the dynamic link library mss32.dll." Are you familiar with this?

No idea. But according to a google search it seems to be a problem with drivers that happens with other games as well. Try reinstalling the game, and check your audio card drivers as well.

 

[Chefe]

Yea, I went through google, and it turns out it's a big problem with Vice City. Go figure.

I'm reinstalling. I hope it was just a fluke. I remember Arcanum gave me some bad installs back in the day.

 

[Kz3r0]

Some weird stuff.
I'm playing now like an agoraphobic dwarf, after I have retrieved the cassie's necklace I choose willow like payment, after that on the way to the bedroom she surpassed the intended door , so I clicked on her and she passed trough the wall positioning next to the bed, the usual spot, clicking on her again she says that we can't do it there.
Nothing of the overall importance by the way, the worst it's when I arrive in Blackroot, i go to speack with liam's mother to obtain the quest, but she's invisible, and don't answer either, making impossible to get the quest.
Any idea?

 

[kazgar]

wow, do you sleep drog? my timezones close enough to yours to see you were posting here around 3am or so your time, and now your back.

love the work, and got a copy of the game last week, but no one wants arcanum related burnout!

(yes, its off topic, but im saying it anyhow)

 

[Drog Black Tooth]

Nothing of the overall importance by the way, the worst it's when I arrive in Blackroot, i go to speack with liam's mother to obtain the quest, but she's invisible, and don't answer either, making impossible to get the quest.
Any idea?

Invisible? I'd assume she's just sleeping in the bed. Wait untill morning.

 

[Kz3r0]

Invisible? I'd assume she's just sleeping in the bed. Wait untill morning.

It's what I have done, she's not in the bed, she's in the upper left corner of the bedroom, I was able to locate her by the waves of the hat she's wearing.