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World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

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I believe new Bloodlines won't offer any choice regarding PC clan - instead players will be able to select distinct traits and one of the main plots will be to find our sire and get answers why we got embraced.
They said initially you'd start out as a thin-blood then choose your clan later. In v5, when a thin-blood diablerises a clan vamp, he then ascends to a 13th gen vampire and this is how the Camarilla gets thin-bloods to do what they want, by using clan ascendancy as a carrot on a stick. Pg. 113 of the rulebook iirc.
 

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I picked up on the creative director being named as Martin Ka'ai Cluney, which is a pretty good sign to me for atmosphere at least. Dude's got gothic chops.
 

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I believe new Bloodlines won't offer any choice regarding PC clan - instead players will be able to select distinct traits and one of the main plots will be to find our sire and get answers why we got embraced.
They said initially you'd start out as a thin-blood then choose your clan later. In v5, when a thin-blood diablerises a clan vamp, he then ascends to a 13th gen vampire and this is how the Camarilla gets thin-bloods to do what they want, by using clan ascendancy as a carrot on a stick. Pg. 113 of the rulebook iirc.

Any thoughts on why they'd choose to make the PC a Thin-blood given how Diablerie are viewed?
 

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Bloodlines 2 is number 3 on Steam global top sellers: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=globaltopsellers

Also it is already on the first page of the top wishlist: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=popularwishlist

I expect it will be at least on number 3 there too, next to The Outer Worlds.

And it has already over 18K followers (those who opt in for announcement notification) on Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/dlc/532790/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Bloodlines_2/

(For comparison, TOW has 72,303 follwers.)

It's going down on top sellers (a year of waiting, eh?) but now it's #5 on top wishlist, just above other Paradox game Imperator: Rome.

And followers are now over 45K.
 

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I believe new Bloodlines won't offer any choice regarding PC clan - instead players will be able to select distinct traits and one of the main plots will be to find our sire and get answers why we got embraced.
They said initially you'd start out as a thin-blood then choose your clan later. In v5, when a thin-blood diablerises a clan vamp, he then ascends to a 13th gen vampire and this is how the Camarilla gets thin-bloods to do what they want, by using clan ascendancy as a carrot on a stick. Pg. 113 of the rulebook iirc.

Any thoughts on why they'd choose to make the PC a Thin-blood given how Diablerie are viewed?
Gameplay-wise probably so you have no ties off the bat, letting you choose between the Camarilla and Anarchs (and Sabbat?) from the start as you see fit I would imagine, since they're letting you join either faction; in contrast to the original where you were rooted to the Cam questline even if you were an Anarch playing along with them until the very end.

It seems in v5 the Camarilla occasionally allow for sanctioned diablerie in the case of the thin-blooded, and some Anarch leaders even claim that diablerising Camarilla is their moral duty.
 
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This is the only point I agree with you, the ending could be better but I enjoyed the rest of the game... so...

The ending of Bloodlines was great! Instead of getting another final boss out of the box something happened that made me laugh out loud. And it was all orchestrated by the guy who was the first vampire you met which is supposed to be typical for VtM where everybody is always using everybody else. If you mean the endless fighting before that, that sucked indeed though.
But who kept sending you chess emails?
 

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If a Thin Blood who passes as human in every way (basically not that far above a ghoul) diablerieses and becomes a higher gen, do they lose their "life" so to speak? If not, a daywalker with all the abilities of vampires should have the oldies shitting themselves.
 

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Thin bloods have to the potential to do crazy stuff as laid out by some of the books but most of the time they are portrayed as hapless mooks.
 

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Race-talk has to be the most boring thing about rpgcodex.

I come here to read about speculation and its all about muh sjw and blax and all that shit.
No speculation is needed when you know what it will be. You are free to begin speculating if you disagree with the common opinion here,that the game will be a political communist garbage.
 

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I'm sure with more speculation fuel, it'll come, but there's just a little cinematic trailer and basic "we're very excited, we're taking this seriously, we love this team" kind of interviews.
 

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It's confirmed the protagonist is thin-blood, so yeah, no clan. Cappadocians don't exist anymore, the last Cappadocian was killed a while ago by the Giovanni. The only possible neutral clan which we might deal with is Giovanni, maybe Ravnos, but they are almost extinct. It would be cool if the Assamites and Setites are there, but throwing in everything and the kitchen sink is probably too much.
They are doing it to dumb down the game,to streamline the character tree to a few basic abilities at most.


Also i don't know who the fuck would want to play as Thin Blood cripple.
 

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It's confirmed the protagonist is thin-blood, so yeah, no clan. Cappadocians don't exist anymore, the last Cappadocian was killed a while ago by the Giovanni. The only possible neutral clan which we might deal with is Giovanni, maybe Ravnos, but they are almost extinct. It would be cool if the Assamites and Setites are there, but throwing in everything and the kitchen sink is probably too much.
They are doing it to dumb down the game,to streamline the character tree to a few basic abilities at most.


Also i don't know who the fuck would want to play as Thin Blood cripple.
The same guys who want to play as an "ordinary person" in DnD games, who insist that heroes must come with a flaw and on the extreme end, people who insist that a blind, crippled, deaf mute wizard is a viable character and the whole game must be catered to his myriad of disabilities or it won't be a realistic game (guess how long that character lasted).
 

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If the end game is going to be anything like the old game then you are going to end up hilariously overpowered. The thin blood start opens up for a lot of potential disciplines down the road - not just Camarilla. This is all just blind speculation though but also hope for potential cool shit like Obtenebration or Valaren for Deus Vult action.
 

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generations when it come to game mechanics determine how much blood pool vamp and stat cap if gen is low. It means nothing in a computer game where you can carry 10 bags of blood with you all times. I remember in redemption there was rings and necklaces you can get that reduce how much blood your disciplines cost. Lol you could reduce the cost where its practically nothing making your blood theoretically strong as 2nd gen vamp even if you thin blood generation.
 

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generations when it come to game mechanics determine how much blood pool vamp and stat cap if gen is low. It means nothing in a computer game where you can carry 10 bags of blood with you all times. I remember in redemption there was rings and necklaces you can get that reduce how much blood your disciplines cost. Lol you could reduce the cost where its practically nothing making your blood theoretically strong as 2nd gen vamp even if you thin blood generation.
It also governs what is the max level you can be in disciplines, IIRC.
 

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Friendly reminder that The Wire had a gay black thief who stole from drug dealers and shit.
Friendly reminder that that character was bad-ass as fuck, and would view pussyfooting around what words to use to describe Malkavian's insane voices, as well as caring about pronouns, as a problem to be swiftly rectified by a shotgun blast to the head.

Maybe, just maybe, if a character is well-written and likeable, it doesn't matter if they're gay, black, Muslim, or whatever.

IF

 

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I want to see this comment after a year to check how close I was.

I believe new Bloodlines won't offer any choice regarding PC clan - instead players will be able to select distinct traits and one of the main plots will be to find our sire and get answers why we got embraced. Depending on our choices, selected traits / perks and maybe if they include it stats in the end we will see our alignment in that character. I really wish we could play as a neutral member of non-affiliated clans like Capadocian (is that how they are called?) not just Camarilla.

I also hope the game will stay at least to a degree to it's roots and allow players to choose their approach, like in old Troika/Black Isle games with force/stealth/diplomacy. I also hope the game will feature more invastigations (like finding a car by it's plates which are also on NPC's driver's license).
It's confirmed the protagonist is thin-blood, so yeah, no clan.

There are six to-be-revealed clans right on the site, though, and Mitsoda kept saying "start as" a thin-blood, so I'd assume diablerie is in the cards, if not baked into the plot.

Of course, the clans could be highlighted just to show the kinds of forces you'll encounter, but honestly if that were the case, I'd expect them to be more numerous, less front-and-center, and without the DLC "Bonus" slot.
 

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No speculation is needed when you know what it will be. You are free to begin speculating if you disagree with the common
As a sidenote, this character is deeply unrealistic. We all know xir should be from Stockholm, not from Copenhagen!

Where would he find fash to bash in Stockholm?

The Riksdag? Don’t the Sweden Democrats have dozens of seats?

That would be a serious masquerade violation.
 

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There are six to-be-revealed clans right on the site, though, and Mitsoda kept saying "start as" a thin-blood, so I'd assume diablerie is in the cards, if not baked into the plot.
Can thin-bloods become full vampires through the Embrace?

Thin-bloods were already embraced. You can’t do that twice. The available options for lowering generation are diablerie, Tremere thaumaturgy, and Cainedidit.*

*Some other near-godlike ancient beings hovering in the background could also qualify.
 

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