World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Fedora Master]

what journal

Holy shit...

Say, I'm not that familiar with VtM. But in Bloodlines I got the impression that vampires don't really care about human affairs other than their ghouls. This reads like cheap fanfic.

It bears repeating on every page: this is a scan of one of the PnP books. This thing will likely not be present in Bloodlines 2.

As a sidenote, this character is deeply unrealistic. We all know xir should be from Stockholm, not from Copenhagen!

Try being a out homosexual in Rinkeby and see what happens.

A lot of Nordic men looking at you disapprovingly?

 

[thesheeep]

Phrases like "Vampire: the Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game. If you are a neo-Nazi, an alt-righter, or whatever you're calling yourself nowadays..." etc., etc., etc. doesn't clue you in on the fact they are forcing you to play their way or get lost? Also, note how they claim it is the right that is calling themselves those perjoratives and not something stuck on the right by the left as labels they can easily demonise.

A neo-Nazi and alt-righter is exactly that, no matter what they call themselves. Shitheads like that belong demonized. It is irrelevant which side coined the term. Exactly the same with SJWs. Personally, I just demonize all shitheads, no matter which extremist side they are on.
And what that phrase clues me in is that the writer is quite likely not someone who likes racists, homophobes, etc. Great, now I know the writer is not an idiot from that specific side of the spectrum (they might still be an idiot from the other side, of course).
In no way do they force me to play their way, especially not if on the very same article they say that you absolutely should be able to depict and play a racist, etc. because those people exist and playing them can even be a valuable experience.
That is PnP to begin with, in the end, the DM decides what to do, not some guideline written by someone with an opinion

In the video game, I fully do expect that you are forced to play someone who is not a racist/sexist/homophobe. But that is just to be expected, because afaik no RPG like that allows you to do that.

 

[Riddler]

what journal

Holy shit...

Say, I'm not that familiar with VtM. But in Bloodlines I got the impression that vampires don't really care about human affairs other than their ghouls. This reads like cheap fanfic.

It bears repeating on every page: this is a scan of one of the PnP books. This thing will likely not be present in Bloodlines 2.

As a sidenote, this character is deeply unrealistic. We all know xir should be from Stockholm, not from Copenhagen!

Try being a out homosexual in Rinkeby and see what happens.

A lot of Nordic men looking at you disapprovingly?

If by "Nordic men" you mean middle Eastern/African muslim men and by "looking at you disapprovingly" you mean beat the shit out of you.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Phrases like "Vampire: the Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game. If you are a neo-Nazi, an alt-righter, or whatever you're calling yourself nowadays..." etc., etc., etc. doesn't clue you in on the fact they are forcing you to play their way or get lost? Also, note how they claim it is the right that is calling themselves those perjoratives and not something stuck on the right by the left as labels they can easily demonise.

A neo-Nazi and alt-righter is exactly that, no matter what they call themselves. Shitheads like that belong demonized. It is irrelevant which side coined the term. Exactly the same with SJWs. Personally, I just demonize all shitheads, no matter which extremist side they are on.
And what that phrase clues me in is that the writer is quite likely not someone who likes racists, homophobes, etc. Great, now I know the writer is not an idiot from that specific side of the spectrum (they might still be an idiot from the other side, of course).
In no way do they force me to play their way, especially not if on the very same article they say that you absolutely should be able to depict and play a racist, etc. because those people exist and playing them can even be a valuable experience.
That is PnP to begin with, in the end, the DM decides what to do, not some guideline written by someone with an opinion

In the video game, I fully do expect that you are forced to play someone who is not a racist/sexist/homophobe. But that is just to be expected, because afaik no RPG like that allows you to do that.

Reminder that everyone who isn't them is branded "alt-right"/"far-right"/etc, including you just for posting on a site with people whose ideas they disagree with.

 

[Egosphere]

This is the only point I agree with you, the ending could be better but I enjoyed the rest of the game... so...

The ending of Bloodlines was great! Instead of getting another final boss out of the box something happened that made me laugh out loud. And it was all orchestrated by the guy who was the first vampire you met which is supposed to be typical for VtM where everybody is always using everybody else. If you mean the endless fighting before that, that sucked indeed though.

But who kept sending you chess emails?

The cab driver? His sound files are in a folder called 'caine'. Rosa also says 'Why is he smiling? Is that the father behind him?' which fits nicely with smiling jack and the cabbie in the last cutscene

 

[Cael]

Phrases like "Vampire: the Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game. If you are a neo-Nazi, an alt-righter, or whatever you're calling yourself nowadays..." etc., etc., etc. doesn't clue you in on the fact they are forcing you to play their way or get lost? Also, note how they claim it is the right that is calling themselves those perjoratives and not something stuck on the right by the left as labels they can easily demonise.

A neo-Nazi and alt-righter is exactly that, no matter what they call themselves. Shitheads like that belong demonized. It is irrelevant which side coined the term. Exactly the same with SJWs. Personally, I just demonize all shitheads, no matter which extremist side they are on.
And what that phrase clues me in is that the writer is quite likely not someone who likes racists, homophobes, etc. Great, now I know the writer is not an idiot from that specific side of the spectrum (they might still be an idiot from the other side, of course).
In no way do they force me to play their way, especially not if on the very same article they say that you absolutely should be able to depict and play a racist, etc. because those people exist and playing them can even be a valuable experience.
That is PnP to begin with, in the end, the DM decides what to do, not some guideline written by someone with an opinion

In the video game, I fully do expect that you are forced to play someone who is not a racist/sexist/homophobe. But that is just to be expected, because afaik no RPG like that allows you to do that.

The sad part is, you think defamation and deliberate misrepresentation of the truth (i.e., outright LIE) is irrelevant.

SAD!

 

[thesheeep]

Phrases like "Vampire: the Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game. If you are a neo-Nazi, an alt-righter, or whatever you're calling yourself nowadays..." etc., etc., etc. doesn't clue you in on the fact they are forcing you to play their way or get lost? Also, note how they claim it is the right that is calling themselves those perjoratives and not something stuck on the right by the left as labels they can easily demonise.

A neo-Nazi and alt-righter is exactly that, no matter what they call themselves. Shitheads like that belong demonized. It is irrelevant which side coined the term. Exactly the same with SJWs. Personally, I just demonize all shitheads, no matter which extremist side they are on.
And what that phrase clues me in is that the writer is quite likely not someone who likes racists, homophobes, etc. Great, now I know the writer is not an idiot from that specific side of the spectrum (they might still be an idiot from the other side, of course).
In no way do they force me to play their way, especially not if on the very same article they say that you absolutely should be able to depict and play a racist, etc. because those people exist and playing them can even be a valuable experience.
That is PnP to begin with, in the end, the DM decides what to do, not some guideline written by someone with an opinion

In the video game, I fully do expect that you are forced to play someone who is not a racist/sexist/homophobe. But that is just to be expected, because afaik no RPG like that allows you to do that.

Reminder that everyone who isn't them is branded "alt-right"/"far-right"/etc, including you just for posting on a site with people whose ideas they disagree with.

I know. I've been called that as I've been called SJW by people here.
Extremists are gonna extremist...

 

[Cael]

Phrases like "Vampire: the Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game. If you are a neo-Nazi, an alt-righter, or whatever you're calling yourself nowadays..." etc., etc., etc. doesn't clue you in on the fact they are forcing you to play their way or get lost? Also, note how they claim it is the right that is calling themselves those perjoratives and not something stuck on the right by the left as labels they can easily demonise.

A neo-Nazi and alt-righter is exactly that, no matter what they call themselves. Shitheads like that belong demonized. It is irrelevant which side coined the term. Exactly the same with SJWs. Personally, I just demonize all shitheads, no matter which extremist side they are on.
And what that phrase clues me in is that the writer is quite likely not someone who likes racists, homophobes, etc. Great, now I know the writer is not an idiot from that specific side of the spectrum (they might still be an idiot from the other side, of course).
In no way do they force me to play their way, especially not if on the very same article they say that you absolutely should be able to depict and play a racist, etc. because those people exist and playing them can even be a valuable experience.
That is PnP to begin with, in the end, the DM decides what to do, not some guideline written by someone with an opinion

In the video game, I fully do expect that you are forced to play someone who is not a racist/sexist/homophobe. But that is just to be expected, because afaik no RPG like that allows you to do that.

Reminder that everyone who isn't them is branded "alt-right"/"far-right"/etc, including you just for posting on a site with people whose ideas they disagree with.

I know. I've been called that as I've been called SJW by people here.
Extremists are gonna extremist...

Your deliberate, sjw-esque style twisting of the meaning of his post is noted.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Even if the VTM writers didn't want perfectly reasonable right-wingers to play their games, what could they do about it?

 

[Thonius]

This smells like Torment Numenera :^)

 

[Vincente]

sjw-esque

Very lovecraftian term if i do say so myself

 

[Cael]

Even if the VTM writers didn't want perfectly reasonable right-wingers to play their games, what could they do about it?

The question is why give the buggers money if that is the kind of hate they have for you? It is not as if the dot system is that hard to understand and Vampire character sheets are all over the Internet. Do you really need to know what happened in WoD Chechnya?

 

[Shadowfang]

The only proper response to that shit is to boycott it and anything to do with it for eternity.

Oh no, dont boycott it. If we do we might me telling the devs that we don't want more identity politics shoved in our games.
Imagine playing games to relax and get away from shitty crazy leftwing politics. No sir we can't have that. Games are too big now.

 

[Sarkile]

Reminder that everyone who isn't them is branded "alt-right"/"far-right"/etc, including you just for posting on a site with people whose ideas they disagree with.

That's pretty much the entirety of the issue I have with messages like that. I certainly don't label myself as a neo-nazi , alt-right individual, or a fascist and I believe that few people truly do. Unfortunately it seems like there is a very vocal group of people on the internet who will happily provide that label for you if you don't kowtow to their special brand of identity politics. Alternatively, there is also that small and weird anti-SJW element that decries any game with female characters on the other side that makes no sense to me.

 

[ColonelTeacup]

But who kept sending you chess emails?

Maybe the upcoming Bloodlines Prelude mod will explain that ...

Clearly it was the Malkavian Primogen. He even has chess themed floor tiles all over his mansion.

 

[Cael]

Reminder that everyone who isn't them is branded "alt-right"/"far-right"/etc, including you just for posting on a site with people whose ideas they disagree with.

That's pretty much the entirety of the issue I have with messages like that. I certainly don't label myself as a neo-nazi , alt-right individual, or a fascist and I believe that few people truly do. Unfortunately it seems like there is a very vocal group of people on the internet who will happily provide that label for you if you don't kowtow to their special brand of identity politics. Alternatively, there is also that small and weird anti-SJW element that decries any game with female characters on the other side that makes no sense to me.

No one cares about female characters. Aribeth wasn't exactly attacked for being sjw.

A female character that is hyped up to be stronk, independent, don't need no man, however, is of course viewed with suspicion, given the shovels that the sjws love to wield. The operative word being "hyped". A stronk, independent woman isn't going to raise too many eyebrows unless she starts pushing it in the players' faces in game. Fucking devs pushing that shit outside of the game, however, end up with the "Hi, I'm a tranny" and HBS messes that is the hallmark of sjws.

 

[Dexter]

Oh no, dont boycott it. If we do we might me telling the devs that we don't want more identity politics shoved in our games.
Imagine playing games to relax and get away from shitty crazy leftwing politics. No sir we can't have that. Games are too big now.

Imagine wanting to play games and buying things to be entertained and relax in your free times, and not to be lectured at by activists with extreme views, colorful hair, severe mental issues and of questionable genders. What a loser.

 

[d1nolore]

Phrases like "Vampire: the Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game. If you are a neo-Nazi, an alt-righter, or whatever you're calling yourself nowadays..." etc., etc., etc. doesn't clue you in on the fact they are forcing you to play their way or get lost? Also, note how they claim it is the right that is calling themselves those perjoratives and not something stuck on the right by the left as labels they can easily demonise.

A neo-Nazi and alt-righter is exactly that, no matter what they call themselves. Shitheads like that belong demonized. It is irrelevant which side coined the term. Exactly the same with SJWs. Personally, I just demonize all shitheads, no matter which extremist side they are on.
And what that phrase clues me in is that the writer is quite likely not someone who likes racists, homophobes, etc. Great, now I know the writer is not an idiot from that specific side of the spectrum (they might still be an idiot from the other side, of course).
In no way do they force me to play their way, especially not if on the very same article they say that you absolutely should be able to depict and play a racist, etc. because those people exist and playing them can even be a valuable experience.
That is PnP to begin with, in the end, the DM decides what to do, not some guideline written by someone with an opinion

In the video game, I fully do expect that you are forced to play someone who is not a racist/sexist/homophobe. But that is just to be expected, because afaik no RPG like that allows you to do that.

Reminder that everyone who isn't them is branded "alt-right"/"far-right"/etc, including you just for posting on a site with people whose ideas they disagree with.

I can't believe these simpletons are actually taking the Pewdiepie bait and running with it. I can't believe they are actually that 'tarded.

 

[Mark Richard]

130+ pages of this.

I already left my two cents on the GOG thread:

Peace brothers. If the worst should happen you can always play ATOM. Experience writing that unironically caters to a traditional masculine image. Resolve jobs with strength dialogue options. Assert your dominance over barely legal teens. Steal other men's girlfriends right in front of them. Meet man's best friend, and then toss him into the dogfighting ring. Drink enough Vodka to kill ten men. Question a guy's manhood for performing the task of cooking.

This game will make you cancel your 3 o'clock pedicure and restore you to your ultimate caveman form, guaranteed!

 

[Infinitron]

The game was actually only announced at page 85.

 

[fantadomat]

Infinitron ,you were saying something about respecting Mitsoda or some similar shit?! The guy is a filthy sjw cuck that whines about insane people in a pixels! It is only natural for once decent devs to go full retard after they did their crowning achievement. I would respect their product if it is good(it won't be) and not some non existing guy from 20 years ago.

At least he achieved something [Mitsoda of course] and we should put minimal trust into his way back to dev life, i have doubts too after his Numenora writings but it can happen to anyone... right? .... Theres is always Wesp on the guard, and while B2 have almost sure full Nexusmods - Skyrim like popularity with modding, im sure we can live with it. It cannot be more crappy than Fallout 4, while it is still quite good game. Time will show, i keep my fingers crossed as it is one of 3 great crpgs other than Outer Worlds and Cyberpunk that i wish to have great success .

It cannot be more crappy than Fallout 4, while it is still quite good game.

NO.

At least fallout 4 did the shooting ok. It could be a lot worst than fallout 4. You had whole four options to talk,there is plenty to take away.

 

[Fedora Master]

Infinitron ,you were saying something about respecting Mitsoda or some similar shit?! The guy is a filthy sjw cuck that whines about insane people in a pixels! It is only natural for once decent devs to go full retard after they did their crowning achievement. I would respect their product if it is good(it won't be) and not some non existing guy from 20 years ago.

At least he achieved something [Mitsoda of course] and we should put minimal trust into his way back to dev life, i have doubts too after his Numenora writings but it can happen to anyone... right? .... Theres is always Wesp on the guard, and while B2 have almost sure full Nexusmods - Skyrim like popularity with modding, im sure we can live with it. It cannot be more crappy than Fallout 4, while it is still quite good game. Time will show, i keep my fingers crossed as it is one of 3 great crpgs other than Outer Worlds and Cyberpunk that i wish to have great success .

It cannot be more crappy than Fallout 4, while it is still quite good game.

NO.

At least fallout 4 did the shooting ok. It could be a lot worst than fallout 4. You had whole four options to talk,there is plenty to take away.

You will get 5 different ways of saying "Yes", whoopie.

 

[user]

As thesheeep said, to hell with extremists of either side. As for politics similar to the real world's, most games will inevitably contain them. The question is, will we get to see a "realistic"/complete world with all of its unconfortable realities included? Or a censored, butchered, unrealistic "safe-space" that is trying not to "offend" anyone?

How will they handle Malkavians? If they implement them, will everyone, no matter who it is, treat them with unwarranted respect because of their "illness"? Will they depict harsh social realities like the existence of sex workers, homeless people or drug addicts? If they do, will they idealize them or try to be as neutral as possible? Will violence happen only to bad people or dominant figures? Will relentless murderers use a proper genre etiquette? Will human nature (and vampire nature which is an "magnified exaggeration" of human nature) be depicted properly?

Hope Fluent turns out to be right with his optimism, but it's the first time I notice developers taking such an agressive stance on these matters and considering their histories and statements, it's also the first time I actually worry about these things. Perhaps all these are just a part of a clever marketing strategy.

 

[ga♥]

Well, someone already mentioned it but I think I didn't get it right.

It's going to be 1st person only? Wtf?

 

[Thonius]

Why it does not resemble numenora though? Name-droping, famous writer comeback, shitty company that did only mobile trash. 3 out of 3.
Oh, forgot massive SJWism. :^)