World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[DeepOcean]

Damsel is considered somewhat of a joke even in Anarch circles, as evidenced by Skelter's opinion on her.

You mean the vietnam war vet who thinks the Literal Communist's heart is in the right place?

The same vietnam war vet who follows a guy who is a marxist class agitator?

Interesting interpretation you got there.

I'm more interested on what the characters do rather than generic elevator opinions they might have, Nines was an enemy of the prince because he was an anarch and he opposed the prince because on vampire society, the princes have random arbitrary powers like when Lacroix decided to murder your sire for breaking Camarilla rules. The fact that he hates capitalism has zero to do with the story of the game and is just one random opinion from him. If I had to watch Nines leading a worker rally or other bullshit like that as if he was a mortal and out of the kindness of his heart, I would vomit out of disgust. Nines is a vampire and he has interests of a vampire despite his opinions.

Besides, the whole problem isn't what is inside the game but what is outside the game, when Bloodlines was released, there weren't communist hate mobs ruining careers because communism was wrongly represented and that offended them. I felt the anarchs were pretty cool, I disagree 100% will Nines bullshit but he is a real sounding character that I just disagree, he has his opinions but the game isn't getting out of its way to make you agree with him . What I fear is that this social media witch hunt and digital lynch mobs might force creators to make characters to sound phony to push some points of view on a forced positive light and that is different than just having a character that believes on communism, saying his opinions when you ask him.

 

[santino27]

A lot of television shows are worked on by teams of writers. It's also fairly common for movie scripts to go through multiple (often uncredited) revisions by other writers.

It's also pretty common for the quality of a script to deteriorate in proportion to the number of writers that have worked on it and the number of studio notes incorporated into the revisions.

Basically, for a larger writer room to work, you need a very strong head writer/show runner who insures that the resulting content both meets their quality standards and fits the theme/vision for the show.

IMO, that's a lot harder to do with games, where there's so much more writing.

 

[fantadomat]

So, you agree that Skelter follows a literal Marxist Class Agitator as part of Literal Antifa and that Damsel is just one of their more passionate Literal Communists?

Everyone who thinks the rich exploit the poor is a Marxist Class Agitator, because Carl Marx was the very first person who noticed this phenomenon.

The rich do not exploit the poor, they are justly rewarded for providing society with crucial goods and services, as well as jobs. I mean, I hate Nines for being a class warrior and I figured that so would you. My apologies.

I too dislike all the class whining shit,but it doesn't mean that the reach are reach because of justly rewarded and all that naive shit. It is natural for people to use the power that they have and be egoistic. Not every rich guy is an evul villein wanting to destroy everything for a tad bit more money,but many are.

 

[fantadomat]

You'd think a 80 year old vampire who had to fight every single night of his existence would grow out of communism, but...

And you think a liberal writer will think that much about it,but...

 

[Alienman]

Also expect Gamergate references.

Gamergate is over. Nobody's talking about it anymore, other than a few permanently-salty old-timers.

Did we win?

Going by this game... no

 

[JBro]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Reinhardt]

Damsel may be communist but she's still talking about vampires, not about mortal gay muslim trannies.

 

[DeepOcean]

You'd think a 80 year old vampire who had to fight every single night of his existence would grow out of communism, but...

And you think a liberal writer will think that much about it,but...

There is the hypocrisy factor too, Jack was a cool looking vampire that was against the system and all that shit but when it counted, he was willing to sacrifice a peon (you) to achieve what he wanted as any elder would do.

 

[Prime Junta]

This thread went places.

 

[Zer0wing]

Damsel may be communist but she's still talking about vampires, not about mortal gay muslim trannies.

C'mon, Damsel is typical 1960-70s american leftard, vampire or not.

 

[Utgard-Loki]

reminder that the plot of bloodlines is that a anarchist kills a bunch of sailors to play a prank on a run of the mill ventrue. so fucking woke.

 

[DeepOcean]

Damsel may be communist but she's still talking about vampires, not about mortal gay muslim trannies.

Besides she admits it didn't work out for mortals, what makes she saner than 99% of the communists.

 

[Nines_Anarch]

This resumes 139 pages of Bullshit!

 

[Reinhardt]

Damsel may be communist but she's still talking about vampires, not about mortal gay muslim trannies.

C'mon, Damsel is typical 1960-70s american leftard, vampire or not.

Still don't remember her talking about sharing power with humans.

 

[Delterius]

I see nothing wrong with having political shit in the game as long as you have an option.

that, my friendo, is the whole point

if bloodlines had been released today, you'd have /pol/tards claiming at best that the game is good despite all the George Soros propaganda about how hierarchies are bad and the only good vampire faction are the communo friendly anarchs but that at least there are boobs

of the three times in the entirety of bloodlines where someone almost gives enough of a shit to ask you about your character (VV, Venus and Beckett), the game lets you shit on republicans just for the sake of it twice -- you can't tell me there'd be a tentative twitter brigade about that in the heyday of gamergate and how coastal liberal elites are trying to tell people how to think

could the desire to be political lead to shitty writing, yes of course and it very certainly will at least in part, which is why even Lacrymas' autism has its place. yet its no coincidence that this thread went to shit when a bunch of alts who either joined recently or seem to be exclusive posters of the GG thread started reacting to the 2 retarded things that the developers have said so far out of a bunch of praiseworthy bullet points that would have caused this forum to blow its collective load with expectation back in the dark ages of 2009

so far we have non linear hub exploration, deus ex inspiration, conservation of character sheet mechanics, multiple ways to solve quests through violence and dialogue skills, a reactive troika character background scheme, rick schaffer's return as the composer and so on

but instead of calling attention to these factors and trying to mine the previews for tidbits of info you've got almost exclusively bullshit about discord tranny mental issues by newfags and shitposters and incredibly long diatribes about how the slight inclusion of politics in anything ever leads to the death of entertainment

except for the 6 or 7 times it happened in Bloodlines, I guess

tl;dr /pol/tards are the new furries

 

[pomenitul]

Why the fuck hasn't this thread been retardo'd yet?

 

[JBro]

you've got almost exclusively bullshit about discord tranny mental issues by newfags and shitposters and incredibly long diatribes about how the slight inclusion of politics in anything ever leads to the death of entertainment

Nope. Maybe try reading instead of chimping out because people don't like this new mentally ill faction of insufferable leftists that are obsessed with trannies.

 

[DeepOcean]

so far we have non linear hub exploration, deus ex inspiration, conservation of character sheet mechanics, multiple ways to solve quests through violence and dialogue skills, a reactive troika character background scheme, rick schaffer's return as the composer and so on

Hope this is true but we don't know that yet until we get gameplay.

 

[Alexios]

This. SJW themes in this setting make no sense whatsover.

Psssst, the emo goth vampire fiction fans of the 1990s and 2000s were pretty much the same type of people who nowadays become social justice fans.

Vampire: The Masquerade and the whole story-centric RPG trend of the 1990s was essentially proto-SJW and its adherents can be found inhabiting the rpg.net forums to this day. It may have been different once, but it was never implicitly reactionary or conservative the same way traditional medieval fantasy roleplaying is.

The SJWs of today really arose out of gamergate. It's true that many from the 90s counterculture co-opted the SJW movement, but many others didn't. Billy Corgan for example is right wing now.

GG happened because of the sort of people who try to turn everything into a librul/commie power fantasy.

"I'm retarded and accept Fox News propaganda at face value"

You were insinuating that SJW arose out of GG. This is factually wrong and logically impossible. Without SJW types there would not have been a Gamergate and GG proved just how deep the liberal soyfag rabbit hole really ran. The only reason that shit remained contained within the gaming industry, largely, was because game journos are the most retarded of all commie foot sloggers and thus incapable of properly hiding their cronyism.

SJWs have nothing to do with communism though. These people are and always have been dedicated neoliberals who are only "left" in their hatred of privileged white males. Sure there are teenage communists on Twitter who parrot this shit, but I wouldn't consider them to be communists anymore than I'd consider autistic faggots such as yourself to be on par with Orban and Bolsonaro.

 

[Delterius]

you've got almost exclusively bullshit about discord tranny mental issues by newfags and shitposters and incredibly long diatribes about how the slight inclusion of politics in anything ever leads to the death of entertainment

Nope. Maybe try reading instead of chimping out because people don't like this new mentally ill faction of insufferable leftists that are obsessed with trannies.

>Person complains about how you won't shut up about trannies.
>Points out how much you don't like mentally ill trannies.

 

[Zer0wing]

Still don't remember her talking about sharing power with humans.

Neither do leftards.

 

[Utgard-Loki]

if bloodlines had been released today, you'd have /pol/tards claiming at best that the game is good despite all the George Soros propaganda about how hierarchies are bad and the only good vampire faction are the communo friendly anarchs but that at least there are boobs

you would have a point if the camarilla ending wasn't the most sensible one. the ant people ending has you end up in eternal torpor at the bottom of the sea, the anarch ending is you being a good little pawn for the baron of downtown, and the independent ending is you getting blood hunted for all time by all the factions you just pissed off.

 

[JBro]

>Person complains about how you won't shut up about trannies.
>Points out how much you don't like mentally ill trannies.

The game literally has selectable pronouns. That's like getting mad at someone for talking about RPGs on an RPG forum.

I also never stated anything about trannies. Only leftists that are obsessed with them.

 

[fantadomat]

You'd think a 80 year old vampire who had to fight every single night of his existence would grow out of communism, but...

And you think a liberal writer will think that much about it,but...

There is the hypocrisy factor too, Jack was a cool looking vampire that was against the system and all that shit but when it counted, he was willing to sacrifice a peon (you) to achieve what he wanted as any elder would do.

Well he was a real anarchist in my book,a filthy pillaging and raping pirate . It really represented modern socialists really well,a bunch whiny spoiled young vams whining about "mah struggle". While Jack was just a badass pirate beating the shit out everyone and not whining about anything.

 

[Fedora Master]

if bloodlines had been released today, you'd have /pol/tards claiming at best that the game is good despite all the George Soros propaganda about how hierarchies are bad and the only good vampire faction are the communo friendly anarchs but that at least there are boobs

you would have a point if the camarilla ending wasn't the most sensible one. the ant people ending has you end up in eternal torpor at the bottom of the sea, the anarch ending is you being a good little pawn for the baron of downtown, and the independent ending is you getting blood hunted for all time by all the factions you just pissed off.

That's why you go for the Sabbat ending