World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Deleted Member 22431]

We want a VtM:B sequel!

 

[vonAchdorf]

I think Paradox get unfairly accused of going DLC crazy on everything they publish. In reality, it's mainly their flagship grand strategy titles that do that. All of their games have some DLC, but not shitloads of it. Tyranny doesn't have tons of DLC, nor BattleTech.

Because both were flops?

But yes, DLCs are more a meme and their version of games as a service, which is constrained mostly to their grand strategy titles and city builders, which can be played for years.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

They will rape Bloodlines corpse real good. It will be another horrible franchise and this will bring us shame, resentment and regret.

 

[Kz3r0]

They even said we are xpected to see gameplay in 2020... what are we supposed to discuss here for a year, wtf.

Tsk, newfag.

 

[fantadomat]

Abilities and disciplines: In!
Attributes: Out!

A streamlining because something that wasn't intuitive even to people I've seen on the Codex, is that that feats box on the right has the only thing that matters. You're just putting points directly into feats (and also spells) instead of putting points into two different things that all contribute to the same number.

Fuck,i lived long enough to see codexers defending dumbing down of old RPG systems.

Attributes were meh because of how op the BloodBuff was. If they decide to make it scaleable to discipline invested points,it would fix a lot of problems.

 

[Luckmann]

His statement makes sense to me.

Abilities and disciplines: In!
Attributes: Out!

A streamlining because something that wasn't intuitive even to people I've seen on the Codex, is that that feats box on the right has the only thing that matters. You're just putting points directly into feats (and also spells) instead of putting points into two different things that all contribute to the same number.

He says Skills, Disciplines, etc. Nothing has been said about Attributes at all. There's no reason to think that either is in or out.

There is, however, reason to think that at least Brawl, Melee, and Firearms have been cut.

And no matter how we cut it, we're still looking at pure decline.

 

[Roguey]

That does make sense, but I think what's throwing people off is that the author of the preview immediately followed that up with "instead, you are capable of handling any weapon you come across" - implying that that the lack of distributing attribute points to "abilities" is what's responsible. Maybe it's out of context.

I'm going to make the educated guess that increasing your ranged/melee/unarmed combat feats just increases damage, no die rolls involved.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

His statement makes sense to me.

Abilities and disciplines: In!
Attributes: Out!

A streamlining because something that wasn't intuitive even to people I've seen on the Codex, is that that feats box on the right has the only thing that matters. You're just putting points directly into feats (and also spells) instead of putting points into two different things that all contribute to the same number.

He says Skills, Disciplines, etc. Nothing has been said about Attributes at all. There's no reason to think that either is in or out.

There is, however, reason to think that at least Brawl, Melee, and Firearms have been cut.

And no matter how we cut it, we're still looking at pure decline.

Brian Mitsoda said there’s a firearms skill, so that’s wrong.

Edit: read the damn thread Luckmann

 

[Vincente]

 

[Infinitron]

That does make sense, but I think what's throwing people off is that the author of the preview immediately followed that up with "instead, you are capable of handling any weapon you come across" - implying that that the lack of distributing attribute points to "abilities" is what's responsible. Maybe it's out of context.

I'm going to make the educated guess that increasing your ranged/melee/unarmed combat feats just increases damage, no die rolls involved.

Yes, I think what likely happened here is that the previewer was given two different facts about the game's systems:

1) Skills and disciplines are in, but not attributes.

2) You can handle any weapon without having to invest in a skill just to acquire basic competence.

And he made a false logical connection between the two (1 therefore 2).

 

[Luckmann]

His statement makes sense to me.

Abilities and disciplines: In!
Attributes: Out!

A streamlining because something that wasn't intuitive even to people I've seen on the Codex, is that that feats box on the right has the only thing that matters. You're just putting points directly into feats (and also spells) instead of putting points into two different things that all contribute to the same number.

He says Skills, Disciplines, etc. Nothing has been said about Attributes at all. There's no reason to think that either is in or out.

There is, however, reason to think that at least Brawl, Melee, and Firearms have been cut.

And no matter how we cut it, we're still looking at pure decline.

Brian Mitsoda said there’s a firearms skill, so that’s wrong.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

You can handle any weapon without having to invest in a skill just to acquire basic competence.

Which makes skill investment meaningless.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

That does make sense, but I think what's throwing people off is that the author of the preview immediately followed that up with "instead, you are capable of handling any weapon you come across" - implying that that the lack of distributing attribute points to "abilities" is what's responsible. Maybe it's out of context.

I'm going to make the educated guess that increasing your ranged/melee/unarmed combat feats just increases damage, no die rolls involved.

Yes, I think what likely happened here is that the previewer was given two different facts about the game's systems:

1) Skills and disciplines are in, but not attributes.

2) You can handle any weapon without having to invest in a skill just to acquire basic competence.

And he made a false logical connection between the two (1 therefore 2).

Who knows? At the top of the article, the author says he never played Bloodlines! I don’t think he has any clue what any of this stuff means. I doubt they’re telling journalists that skills and disciplines are in but attributes are out—if they were, someone else would’ve reported details about character creation already.

 

[Luckmann]

Yes, there is a character sheet but with a better interface than BL1.

I wonder what "better interface" is code for, because the old interface was perfectly alright.

 

[fantadomat]

previewer

Why a previewer when the game won't come out for a year? It is a betatester at this point.

 

[Delterius]

previewer

Why a previewer when the game won't come out for a year? It is a betatester at this point.

someone has to betatest the game, some people are paid to do so by ign and others pay epic to do it for us

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Fuck,i lived long enough to see codexers defending dumbing down of old RPG systems.

Roguey is trolling. Don't take the bait.

 

[Luckmann]

previewer

Why a previewer when the game won't come out for a year? It is a betatester at this point.

someone has to betatest the game, some people are paid to do so by ign and others pay epic to do it for us

Paradox have also had in-house testing of Bloodlines in Stockholm, fyi. So yeah, beta-testing/focus grouping is ongoing.

 

[Delterius]

previewer

Why a previewer when the game won't come out for a year? It is a betatester at this point.

someone has to betatest the game, some people are paid to do so by ign and others pay epic to do it for us

Paradox have also had in-house testing of Bloodlines in Stockholm, fyi. So yeah, beta-testing/focus grouping is ongoing.

i don't trust people who play bloodlines 2 before i do

 

[Prime Junta]

Paradox have also had in-house testing of Bloodlines in Stockholm, fyi. So yeah, beta-testing/focus grouping is ongoing.

Hardly beta testing this early in the game. Early systems and gameplay testing maybe.

 

[jungl]

Rpg developers think gamers are all zika babies. The skills and abilities will consist of 3 skill trees. They will also be named to keep up with trends and politics of the current year. Skill trees will all be named the same despite player gender or history. Combat tree will be named "Hustle hard girl!" exploration tree will be named "You go girl!" Dialogue social tree will be named "Uhm Sweetey hello? ohnonono".

 

[Sailor Woedica]

As much as the whole goth music in Bloodlines 1 is soo 90s (which, I love the 90s fashion and everything of that era, heart emoji), I really hope they use more current music for Bldlines 2!

It would be so awesome if they hired Danny Brown or Jpegmafia for the soundtrack because their music is so raw and so emotional and so fits that impossibly cool 2020 undead lifestyle!!!



This Jpegmafia song is like my go to hype song that I listen to before I have a game, it legit puts me in that Damsel girl power vampire mood ☾:



(Of course I'd love to recommend Romil from Brockhampton too but his music production is just too nice and sunny sounding )

 

[Orma]

 

[Prime Junta]

Must be my lack of imagination but I can't think of too many things I'd want to do with a firearm that no human is capable of.

 

[Luckmann]

Paradox have also had in-house testing of Bloodlines in Stockholm, fyi. So yeah, beta-testing/focus grouping is ongoing.

Hardly beta testing this early in the game. Early systems and gameplay testing maybe.

Call it what you want, it's in a playable state at least.

That sounds fucking idiotic, especially since it implies that a vampire suddenly becomes an expert at using weapons just because they become a fucking vampire.