World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Storyfag]

It's not Caine, it's an ancient Malkavian who sincerely believes himself to be Caine. Just a crazy troll messing around with his pal Jack

That contradicts you ending up with a lower gen than LaCroix in the end. I'm not aware of that happening outside of specific rituals or diablerie, or obviously Caine.

And of course a Malk Methuselah is forbidden to know the specific rituals needed to lower someone's Generation. Also, no Storyteller is allowed to invent his own rituals, ever, that is haraam!

 

[Lacrymas]

If you are arguing that the Malkavian is not lowering your gen, just protecting you from LaCroix's domination, then sure. It's better than Caine. Just an old kook trying to act like Caine by being manipulative but in a very roundabout and contradicting matter sounds fun, sure.

 

[Storyfag]

It's better than Caine.

It is NOT better than Caine.

Have you actually played the game?

Caine, the actual one, has tried his hand at building societies for his progeny many times. The LA experiment was meant to test the reaction of the extant Cainite polities to the Sarcophagus and to the PC.

 

[fantadomat]

A lampshade is only good when it's done with style, humor or to mimick real life chaos when it's appropriate, not just to say it's there. Just pointing it out seems more like you are trying to shut up criticism before it emerges. You can argue that it sparked a discussion around it, but the implications it sets up actually damage the writing more than it helps. And as a self-proclaimed storyfag, you should be able to see that.

Andrei outright calls you a pawn and there are all those emails. Boosting your powers was part of the plan. Letting LaCroix dominate you in every conversation except the last is a clear indication that something out of the ordinary is happening.

I am beggining to suspect that Lacrymas played Bloodlines once, back when xir was a twink, and now is attempting to sound authoritative. Poor kine, I shall impale it with its own spine.

LoL it is clear that you were the big evil in the coffin all along,you were just playing around with all the so called powers while restoring your powers.

 

[Roguey]

Caine, the actual one, has tried his hand at building societies for his progeny many times. The LA experiment was meant to test the reaction of the extant Cainite polities to the Sarcophagus and to the PC.

In the time period before player characters could do things. 20th/21st century Caine can't be bothered.

 

[Lacrymas]

It is NOT better than Caine.

Have you actually played the game?

Caine, the actual one, has tried his hand at building societies for his progeny many times. The LA experiment was meant to test the reaction of the extant Cainite polities to the Sarcophagus and to the PC.

Outside of what Roguey said, Caine doesn't need to try doing anything, he can just do it. Being a vampire god does that. And what exactly is he testing by empowering the PC? The sarcophagus WILL end up in their hands eventually due to the empowerment, how is that a test of anything when the outcome is clear? If he just let the sarcophagus loose and not done anything after that, it's still not the greatest explanation but I'll allow it. If he wanted to introduce a foreign element into the politics to try to balance everything, why keep empowering you beyond anyone else in the city?

 

[Storyfag]

Caine, the actual one, has tried his hand at building societies for his progeny many times. The LA experiment was meant to test the reaction of the extant Cainite polities to the Sarcophagus and to the PC.

In the time period before player characters could do things. 20th/21st century Caine can't be bothered.

Up till the very moment any Storyteller decides he actually can be bothered. Remains true to the established character and makes perfect sense. One final attempt. Last one, I swear.

 

[fantadomat]

It is amazing how fans could come up with all those ideas and possibilities to fill up a dropped plot line while greatly overestimating the skills and the lore knowledge of the devs.

 

[Storyfag]

Caine doesn't need to try doing anything, he can just do it

And he never failed? Like in the First City?

If he wanted to introduce a foreign element into the politics to try to balance everything, why keep empowering you beyond anyone else in the city?

By the Eldest, back in my day the kine were more intelligent. Let me try again. Read slowly:

The. LA. Experiment. Was. Meant. To. Test. The. Reaction. Of. The. Extant. Cainite. Polities. To. The. Sarcophagus. And. To. The. PC.

 

[Delterius]

Caine, the actual one, has tried his hand at building societies for his progeny many times. The LA experiment was meant to test the reaction of the extant Cainite polities to the Sarcophagus and to the PC.

In the time period before player characters could do things. 20th/21st century Caine can't be bothered.

Up till the very moment any Storyteller decides he actually can be bothered. Remains true to the established character and makes perfect sense. One final attempt. Last one, I swear.

akshually it was revealed caine was in a caine somewhere in chains or something, which is why the cabbie couldn't be caine and was actually totally just a malkavian friend of jack sparrow's

 

[Storyfag]

Caine, the actual one, has tried his hand at building societies for his progeny many times. The LA experiment was meant to test the reaction of the extant Cainite polities to the Sarcophagus and to the PC.

In the time period before player characters could do things. 20th/21st century Caine can't be bothered.

Up till the very moment any Storyteller decides he actually can be bothered. Remains true to the established character and makes perfect sense. One final attempt. Last one, I swear.

akshually it was revealed caine was in a caine somewhere in chains or something, which is why the cabbie couldn't be caine and was actually totally just a malkavian friend of jack sparrow's

That came after the game was published. And it's not as if he couldn't posess (Dominate power 6, IIRC) a body while his own was chained.

 

[Delterius]

Caine doesn't need to try doing anything, he can just do it

And he never failed? Like in the First City?

If he wanted to introduce a foreign element into the politics to try to balance everything, why keep empowering you beyond anyone else in the city?

By the Eldest, back in my day the kine were more intelligent. Let me try again. Read slowly:

The. LA. Experiment. Was. Meant. To. Test. The. Reaction. Of. The. Extant. Cainite. Polities. To. The. Sarcophagus. And. To. The. PC.

Incorrect. The LA Experiment was created by Tim Caine so he could sell copies of his fanfiction, with the PC as the primary gauge of its success. An unbiased witness as it where, whose answer -- 'the manchurian evil ppl have it right' -- confirms that humanity is rotten and kinda dumb.

 

[Roguey]

Up till the very moment any Storyteller decides he actually can be bothered. Remains true to the established character and makes perfect sense. One final attempt. Last one, I swear.

White Wolf disagreed.

 

[Lacrymas]

Caine doesn't need to try doing anything, he can just do it

And he never failed? Like in the First City?

If he wanted to introduce a foreign element into the politics to try to balance everything, why keep empowering you beyond anyone else in the city?

By the Eldest, back in my day the kine were more intelligent. Let me try again. Read slowly:

The. LA. Experiment. Was. Meant. To. Test. The. Reaction. Of. The. Extant. Cainite. Polities. To. The. Sarcophagus. And. To. The. PC.

Here's the thing. Why both? They are basically the same thing, a (presumed) powerful presence within the city. He wanted to test 2 powerful presences at the same time? Why? What does that have to do with creating a vampire society? And how do you know this specific test is about creating a vampire society?

 

[Storyfag]

Up till the very moment any Storyteller decides he actually can be bothered. Remains true to the established character and makes perfect sense. One final attempt. Last one, I swear.

White Wolf disagreed.

Yes. But only because of the Gehenna novel. And the Gehenna novel is, I think, the point when WW lost any say in how the franchise is run.

 

[Storyfag]

Caine doesn't need to try doing anything, he can just do it

And he never failed? Like in the First City?

If he wanted to introduce a foreign element into the politics to try to balance everything, why keep empowering you beyond anyone else in the city?

By the Eldest, back in my day the kine were more intelligent. Let me try again. Read slowly:

The. LA. Experiment. Was. Meant. To. Test. The. Reaction. Of. The. Extant. Cainite. Polities. To. The. Sarcophagus. And. To. The. PC.

Here's the thing. Why both? They are basically the same thing, a (presumed) powerful presence within the city. He wanted to test 2 powerful presences at the same time? Why? What does that have to do with creating a vampire society?

Do you seriously have problems with telling the difference between an active agent and a passive object? You, of all ex-twinks?

 

[fantadomat]

Wesp5 so i read somewhere that the cab driver's files are with prefix caine,is that true mate?

 

[Lacrymas]

Do you seriously have problems with telling the difference between an active agent and a passive object? You, of all ex-twinks?

In the context of what you are saying, yes.

 

[fantadomat]

If that is true,then why are you even arguing? It is clear who the cab driver is.

 

[Lacrymas]

Read the discussion?

 

[Storyfag]

Do you seriously have problems with telling the difference between an active agent and a passive object? You, of all ex-twinks?

In the context of what you are saying, yes.

How could the Sarcophagus tell Caine of its experiences?

 

[Delterius]

My character lost his dad in a car crash, leading him down a path of self destructive drug consumption, casual sex and shopping at hot topic. The cabbie is just an ordinary person, one of many who ferried the neonate around for a petty buck.

But in our hero's mind there was this reliable father figure projected onto them, corrupted by the Blood into an image of the all-father. Bloodlines was actually the struggle between the Egos. A desire to conform and prosper via Cain, the rather business like choffeur, but also to rebel and, eventually, meet with the Final Death in Jack the pirate.

Needless to say, there never was a Jack either. This battle can be verified as 'Jack' helped the PC survive the ambush in Griffith Park by pure instinct, but it was 'Caine' who took the wheel as it were, ie, took control of the situation and patiently employed the Socratic Method (Ancient Greece was the most fatherly of civilizations) to coax an answer from his progeny and deliver them towards a future paved with the blood of their enemies.

In the end, the extremes of the human mind are reconciled and seen fraternizing on the Holywood hills, smoking some rather fat joints. Peace is reached, wether it be in the tranquility of Death or the firm certainty of oneself and the future.

 

[Cael]

If that is true,then why are you even arguing? It is clear who the cab driver is.

Codexians...

 

[ArchAngel]

If that is true,then why are you even arguing? It is clear who the cab driver is.

Because above all else Codex needs to prove that "Everything is shit."

 

[fantadomat]

If that is true,then why are you even arguing? It is clear who the cab driver is.

Because above all else Codex needs to prove that "Everything is shit."

Or they are getting mental with all that isolation and just seek any type of attention.