World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Wesp5]

In the context of good writing that makes sense, it's not Caine.

Well, didn't WW retcon the whole old WoD lore including Caine waking for Gehenna in V5? Then Bloodlines isn't a problem anymore !

 

[Lacrymas]

The new edition is terrible and I formally disown it.

 

[fantadomat]

In the context of good writing that makes sense, it's not Caine.

Well, didn't WW retcon the whole old WoD lore including Caine waking for Gehenna in V5? Then Bloodlines isn't a problem anymore !

Yet most people that still care about this shit,like the old lore. Nobody really cares about muh tranny vamp lifes in kosovo or whatever it was the new shit.

 

[Lacrymas]

Reminding people of the gay black Muslim feminist and tranny support circles should be a punishable offense under the law.

 

[Roguey]

But it did fit within the lore of the WoD at the time! According to the Gehenna novel, Caine was locked inside a cave and sometimes left in spirit to check out the world. In my headcannon he impersonated the Cabbie and orchestrated the whole sarcophagus event to see how his childer would react. To help him decide whether to start Gehenna afterwards or not...

Caine doesn't interfere with his kids because he's too depressed and doesn't care about them, which is what White Wolf wrote down, and why they outright stated the cab driver was a crazy old Malkavian who thought he was Caine. This is necessary because

When an npc's stats are "he/she can do anything," then that character's personality must be the sort that prevents him/her from doing anything.

 

[Wesp5]

Caine doesn't interfere with his kids because he's too depressed and doesn't care about them, which is what White Wolf wrote down, and why they outright stated the cab driver was a crazy old Malkavian who thought he was Caine.

In the Gehenna novel, which I found actually bad because of how it handled Jack, Caine traveled around with Beckett so this contradicts your first point. Also I often heard about the second but could never find any evidence! Care to link to a source?

 

[fantadomat]

In the Gehenna novel,

People outside of kwan read those fanfic garbage shit?

 

[Lacrymas]

Caine doesn't interfere with his kids because he's too depressed and doesn't care about them, which is what White Wolf wrote down, and why they outright stated the cab driver was a crazy old Malkavian who thought he was Caine.

In the Gehenna novel, which I found actually bad because of how it handled Jack, Caine traveled around with Beckett so this contradicts your first point. Also I often heard about the second but could never find any evidence! Care to link to a source?

He can walk and talk, that doesn't mean he'll do anything to interfere. It just doesn't make sense for him to be orchestrating Bloodlines, especially in the way he does it, even if he wasn't an all-powerful deity.

 

[Roguey]

Also I often heard about the second but could never find any evidence! Care to link to a source?

A fan made it because White Wolf never gave Caine official stats (because why would they, he can do anything).

 

[Storyfag]

It's not hinted because it was intended for Caine to be the instigator. However, perhaps Troika weren't aware that an old-ghoul-turned-vampire can do the things the PC can. It explains both the faster acquisition of disciplines and the blood points while having a high generation. Dracula is one such case.

Are you trying to lore-wise explain a game mechanic (how the player can become so strong in so short a time)? I don't think that it's needed or even a good idea.

Some of the best CRPGs out there do acknowledge the PCs rapid raise to power and do explain it lore-wise. Bloodlines, MotB, KotOR II and hell, even KotOR I.

 

[Lacrymas]

Some of the best CRPGs out there do acknowledge the PCs rapid raise to power and do explain it lore-wise. Bloodlines, MotB, KotOR II and hell, even KotOR I.

It wasn't explained in Bloodlines, though, and the two theories - Caine or old ghoul - aren't in the same vein as the ones from MotB or KotOR2. It simply is and you go "ok".

 

[Harthwain]

Some of the best CRPGs out there do acknowledge the PCs rapid raise to power and do explain it lore-wise. Bloodlines, MotB, KotOR II and hell, even KotOR I.

I think you're confusing setting up the stage for the major plot twist (You're Revan!/Special/Whatever) with trying to "acknowledge the PCs rapid raise to power and do explain it lore-wise". The latter is largely accidental result of the former. Also, if your raise to power is so rapid that you need to explain it lore-wise, then you screwed something up, because it should feel natural due to how the chain of events unfolds naturally. Or not mention it, when it doesn't matter for the story.

 

[Storyfag]

Some of the best CRPGs out there do acknowledge the PCs rapid raise to power and do explain it lore-wise. Bloodlines, MotB, KotOR II and hell, even KotOR I.

I think you're confusing setting up the stage for the major plot twist (You're Revan!/Special/Whatever) with trying to "acknowledge the PCs rapid raise to power and do explain it lore-wise". The latter is largely accidental result of the former. Also, if your raise to power is so rapid that you need to explain it lore-wise, then you screwed something up, because it should feel natural due to how the chain of events unfolds naturally. Or not mention it, when it doesn't matter for the story.

I think you are hopw roewur ne.

 

[Harthwain]

I think you are hopw roewur ne.

I have no idea what that means, but... Fuck you too, I guess?

 

[Lambach]

Some of the best CRPGs out there do acknowledge the PCs rapid raise to power and do explain it lore-wise. Bloodlines, MotB, KotOR II and hell, even KotOR I.

MotB doesn't. You advance in power because you adventure and gain XP, same as anything in D&D. Bloodlines also doesn't explain it. "Caine has been powering you up" is an unconfirmed theory at best, fan-fiction at worst.

 

[Surf Solar]

But it did fit within the lore of the WoD at the time! According to the Gehenna novel, Caine was locked inside a cave and sometimes left in spirit to check out the world. In my headcannon he impersonated the Cabbie and orchestrated the whole sarcophagus event to see how his childer would react. To help him decide whether to start Gehenna afterwards or not...

Caine doesn't interfere with his kids because he's too depressed and doesn't care about them, which is what White Wolf wrote down, and why they outright stated the cab driver was a crazy old Malkavian who thought he was Caine. This is necessary because

When an npc's stats are "he/she can do anything," then that character's personality must be the sort that prevents him/her from doing anything.

Caine=Lady of Pain confirmed??!!11

 

[Storyfag]

Some of the best CRPGs out there do acknowledge the PCs rapid raise to power and do explain it lore-wise. Bloodlines, MotB, KotOR II and hell, even KotOR I.

MotB doesn't. You advance in power because you adventure and gain XP, same as anything in D&D. Bloodlines also doesn't explain it. "Caine has been powering you up" is an unconfirmed theory at best, fan-fiction at worst.

Except you are a devourer of souls in MotB... As for Bloodlines, I'll grant you that it is not explained. But it is acknowledged, multiple times.

 

[Lambach]

Except you are a devourer of souls in MotB...

But minus the ending where you chose to embrace and master the Curse, you do not really have any rapid spikes in power that don't make sense lore-wise, a la Bloodlines. You start as a (talented) peasant in bumfuck nowhere in NWN2, then adventure your way up into a superpower - exactly the same as any other D&D adventurer who survives for long enough. The only "You are Special(TM)" attribute you have is the connection to the Blade of Gith, and even that is not reflective of your power, it's just a special mcguffin used for one or two specific purposes.

Contrast that to Bloodlines where in the span of a couple of weeks you go from a nobody Fledgling to an unstoppable juggernaut of desctruction flinging level 5 Disciplines (which take a century or more for all Vampires who aren't video-game protagonists to master) and killing Elders who would, lore-wise, reduce you to ash with a stern glare.

 

[Lacrymas]

Except you are a devourer of souls in MotB... As for Bloodlines, I'll grant you that it is not explained. But it is acknowledged, multiple times.

There's a term for that, it's called lampshading. It's usually not a positive thing.

You start as a (talented) peasant in bumfuck nowhere in NWN2, then adventure your way up into a superpower - exactly the same as any other D&D adventurer who survives for long enough.

Well, lore-wise it isn't like this. The levels represent achieved status in your chosen class, you can't become a lvl 15 Druid without becoming an archdruid of a grove for example. There are only ever just a few archdruids and not everyone can get there.

 

[vortex]

hopw roewur ne = hope dies last (or at last) isn't it?

 

[Lacrymas]

Trying to explain hopw roewur ne is hopw roewur ne.

 

[Storyfag]

Except you are a devourer of souls in MotB... As for Bloodlines, I'll grant you that it is not explained. But it is acknowledged, multiple times.

There's a term for that, it's called lampshading. It's usually not a positive thing.

A nice lampshade is more than welcome. But you, I see, are too much of a moronic mongrel to comprehend that.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Except you are a devourer of souls in MotB... As for Bloodlines, I'll grant you that it is not explained. But it is acknowledged, multiple times.

There's a term for that, it's called lampshading. It's usually not a positive thing.

A nice lampshade is more than welcome. But you, I see, are too much of a moronic mongrel to comprehend that.

He just enjoys being contrarian and nitpicky about games.

 

[Storyfag]

Except you are a devourer of souls in MotB... As for Bloodlines, I'll grant you that it is not explained. But it is acknowledged, multiple times.

There's a term for that, it's called lampshading. It's usually not a positive thing.

A nice lampshade is more than welcome. But you, I see, are too much of a moronic mongrel to comprehend that.

He just enjoys being contrarian and nitpicky about games.

And I shall enjoy fleshcrafting him into a latrine for the szlachta

 

[Lacrymas]

A nice lampshade is more than welcome. But you, I see, are too much of a moronic mongrel to comprehend that.

Where is this aggression coming from?