World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[True Ukrainian]

I remember that Redemption was boring, not woke.

 

[fantadomat]

I remember that Redemption was boring, not woke.

 

[Harthwain]

Don't you remember how woke Redemption was?

I played it, don't remember anything woke either.

I am preeettty sure he was joking.

 

[Longes]

VtM was very progressive by the standards of its time, acknowledging that sex, black people and homosexuals exist. VtM wasn't always good at these things, but it tried. Compared to the highly sterile AD&D, VtM was like a pride parade. But obviously in 2020 knowledge of these things is the norm, and VtM looks outdated.

 

[Fedora Master]

WoD has always been pathetically woke. The fact that BL1 remained relatively inoffensive was thanks to that particular dev team.

I don't recall any games being woke back then.

White Wolf/WoD certainly was "woke". As Roguey said, 90s librul woke. BL1 was mercifully benign in that regard.

 

[Fedora Master]

VtM was very progressive by the standards of its time, acknowledging that sex, black people and homosexuals exist. VtM wasn't always good at these things, but it tried. Compared to the highly sterile AD&D, VtM was like a pride parade. But obviously in 2020 knowledge of these things is the norm, and VtM looks outdated.

In the interest of honest hate, the real woke shit was often relegated to Werewolf and Mage, the "good guy" factions.

 

[Storyfag]

VtM was very progressive by the standards of its time, acknowledging that sex, black people and homosexuals exist. VtM wasn't always good at these things, but it tried. Compared to the highly sterile AD&D, VtM was like a pride parade.

By the standard of the 90's?

Nope, nope, nope.

At least not on the sex or black people counts - we've had plenty of either in the 80's. The homosex count I shall grant you, seeing as how Philadelphia only came out ( ) 2 years after VtM.

 

[Alienman]

WoD has always been pathetically woke. The fact that BL1 remained relatively inoffensive was thanks to that particular dev team.

It was 90s/00s liberal which meant pushing the envelope and being edgy to stick it to the conservatives. Bloodlines was no different.

Now they are making it as political correct as possible to stick it to the conservatives. How times change.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

WoD has always been pathetically woke. The fact that BL1 remained relatively inoffensive was thanks to that particular dev team.

It was 90s/00s liberal which meant pushing the envelope and being edgy to stick it to the conservatives. Bloodlines was no different.

Now they are making it as political correct as possible to stick it to the conservatives. How times change.

Nah. The liberal of today will become the conservative of tomorrow.

Edit: Overton window, Luckmann.

 

[True Ukrainian]

I remember that Redemption was boring, not woke.

I'm going to jog into your home and you'll like it, racist.

 

[Rahdulan]

What in the fucking fuck have they done to the Tremere?

A lot of V5 is "what the fuck did they do". For example, all creepy-crawly necromancer clans/bloodlines like Giovanni, what remained of Cappadocians, Nagaraja, Samedi, etc are now rolled into new Clan Hecata.

 

[fantadomat]

I remember that Redemption was boring, not woke.

I'm going to jog into your home and you'll like it, racist.

I will like it because you will not jog out,negro. The quality of my melon traps is famous around the KKK Komunity!

 

[Maculo]

I grow increasingly pessimistic about BL2, but I cannot blame this thread for it. It is not just the "woke" factor, although I rolled my eyes at the Malkavian press release about sensitivity. I caught up on all the press release videos and none sparked any excitement. The Vampire abilities just feel so...streamlined? The clans seem like loose hobbies as opposed to specific bloodlines with pros and cons. If Hardsuit Labs is just adapting the current rule set, I guess I cannot fault them for being faithful to the material, but still.

My impression of BL1 was that it was meant to be edgy and stick it to the evangelical right in its heyday. Still, there was a sense of levity and it did not overtake the story. In light of the Malkavian press release, I do not see how they can write anything fresh or outside the box. What is Hardsuit Labs left with? Nazi/racist/homophobic vampires, not-Trump, Russian vampire hackers trying to steal a vampire election?

 

[fantadomat]

Don't they have riots in their city?

 

[Raghar]

What in the fucking fuck have they done to the Tremere?

A lot of V5 is "what the fuck did they do". For example, all creepy-crawly necromancer clans/bloodlines like Giovanni, what remained of Cappadocians, Nagaraja, Samedi, etc are now rolled into new Clan Hecata.

They can ignore V5 and create theirs own version.

 

[Maculo]

Don't they have riots in their city?

I just checked, they are located out of Seattle, Washington. I didn't know that.

Maybe we will get an autonomous zone and warlord subplot.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

Bloodlines is an '80s goth rock kind of game.

? Bloodlines' aesthetic and vibe is entirely early 2000s.

I just realized that mentally, I was thinking Masquerade in general with that comment. Although regardless, BM seems out of place for the sort of game BL2 is going to be.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

the sort of game BL2 is going to be

The sort of game that we'll call it BLM2.

 

[Semiurge]

This malkavian from that clan reveal is so poser-rific and generic that it still hurts my head.

Spoiler

 

[Fedora Master]

As I've said, I can't wait to find out how these people handle mental illness in the age of "neuro-atypicals". If you thought fishmalks were bad...

 

[True Ukrainian]

Don't they have riots in their city?

I just checked, they are located out of Seattle, Washington. I didn't know that.

Maybe we will get an autonomous zone and warlord subplot.

Anarch free state and baron of Seattle. Not as far fetched as you think.

 

[Avarize]

This malkavian from that clan reveal is so poser-rific and generic that it still hurts my head.

Spoiler

I would have thought 100% Ventrue.

 

[Vincente]

As I've said, I can't wait to find out how these people handle mental illness in the age of "neuro-atypicals". If you thought fishmalks were bad...

Bloodlines created a never-seen-before type of Fishmalk players that I really really hate, anything other than ''le wacky zany talk with stop sign'' Malks are fine with me, I always hated Malk players who use their insight to justify their randomness rather than use it as a tool of unintelligable far sight & divination.

 

[Semiurge]

As I've said, I can't wait to find out how these people handle mental illness in the age of "neuro-atypicals". If you thought fishmalks were bad...

I can just imagine how the designer(s) originally went for a typical lunatic look, something akin to a bag-man/lady, but the higher-ups shot the idea down in fear of someone becoming offended at the signs of mental illness, the unkempt appearance, the wandering gazes and signs of self-mutilation from the past days of life.

So now we have a costume shop manikin instead.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

As I've said, I can't wait to find out how these people handle mental illness in the age of "neuro-atypicals". If you thought fishmalks were bad...

I can just imagine how the designer(s) originally went for a typical lunatic look, something akin to a bag-man/lady, but the higher ups shot them down in fear of someone becoming offended at the signs of mental illness, the unkempt appearance, the wandering gazes and signs of self-mutilation from the past days of life.

And I'm guessing that their solution will be a sort of witty Sherlock Holmes type character which only ends up glamorizing mental illness (to the great joy of their main audience of self-diagnosed tumblristas).