World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Raghar]

BTW considering they decided to kill Mitsoda writing and story, and they are making game from scratch, expect game to be released in 2023 the earliest, not before 2023.

Is there any real Paradox info on this other than the uncle of the mother of the friend who is "one source close to the publisher"?

I avoided all info about this trainwreck last year, and I'm glad Paradox acted as a greedy idiots, and didn't bother to look at what's happening in the beginning of that project. Now theirs greed was punished by forcing them to pay second time.

I doubt you'd get better source than "source close to the publisher", but I know enough about projects like this to know repairing a failed project is sometimes more costly than doing it again from the scratch. And I remember a typical ETA for games like this. As long as Paradox will not make it even bigger mess by forcing them to release it as "multiconsole" game, November 2023 is sane deadline for game of this complexity.

 

[Ismaul]

BTW, considering Paradox is no longer wanna use Mitsoda writing to make a product, and paid for it already, they should release Mitsoda writing into public domain, with Mitsoda permission of course.

You think they would release writing that would be compared with the writing of the released game? The game might not comparare favorably to Mitsoda's writing...

 

[ADL]

I remember the development build leaking online and seeing a load of webms on 4chan. Did anyone here play that?

 

[AwesomeButton]

On the positive side...

Spoiler

this looks like Cyberpunk 77 all over again. Just kidding, there is no positive side!

 

[Wesp5]

I doubt you'd get better source than "source close to the publisher", but I know enough about projects like this to know repairing a failed project is sometimes more costly than doing it again from the scratch.

Maybe, but when they remove all of Mitsoda's writing, they better quit calling the new game "Bloodlines 2" as well! Also Rik Schaffer just released a new album with some songs that were in the Bloodlines 2 promo...

 

[Wesp5]

I remember the development build leaking online and seeing a load of webms on 4chan. Did anyone here play that?

Post links! I saw the beginning of the game so I could see if anything there is fake or not.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

BTW considering they decided to kill Mitsoda writing and story, and they are making game from scratch, expect game to be released in 2023 the earliest, not before 2023.

Is there any real Paradox info on this other than the uncle of the mother of the friend who is "one source close to the publisher"?

Nah, feel free to wait "better sources" until white hair start falling off your balding big nerd head.

 

[PlacidDragon]

Is there any real Paradox info on this other than the uncle of the mother of the friend who is "one source close to the publisher"?

I dont believe so, no. Paradox has gone into complete radio silence about the project. They said initially that they would give the project to a new (unnamed) developer in order to finish the game, but since then, not a peep. They have shut down their Bloodlines 2 forum, they did not mention anything in the "Paradox Insider" sessions, where they announce new projects, etc... their "World of Darkness" Youtube channel (hosted primarily by Outstar) hasn't said a word, etc etc.. It certainly looks like they have managed to keep the lid on whatever it is that they are doing.

 

[ChildInTime]

I doubt you'd get better source than "source close to the publisher", but I know enough about projects like this to know repairing a failed project is sometimes more costly than doing it again from the scratch.

Maybe, but when they remove all of Mitsoda's writing, they better quit calling the new game "Bloodlines 2" as well! Also Rik Schaffer just released a new album with some songs that were in the Bloodlines 2 promo...

Any links to that new album?

 

[Wesp5]

Any links to that new album?

See below. Right now you can download all the new tracks from the site mentioned there!

https://bloody-disgusting.com/video...nth-contains-unreleased-and-alternate-tracks/

 

[ChildInTime]

Any links to that new album?

See below. Right now you can download all the new tracks from the site mentioned there!

https://bloody-disgusting.com/video...nth-contains-unreleased-and-alternate-tracks/

Thanks!

In other news, they just announced the Sabbat book for V5. Looks terrible.

 

[Storyfag]

In other news, they just announced the Sabbat book for V5. Looks terrible.

Don't worry, I bet they are all incloosive too, just like Rudi is.

 

[Lambach]

In other news, they just announced the Sabbat book for V5. Looks terrible.

Don't worry, I bet they are all incloosive too, just like Rudi is.

"We might be literal walking corpses damned for all eternity by god himself to feed on the blood of humans and revel in all the death and destruction we cause, but we'll still respect your pronouns, Caindammit!" - V5 Sabbat Regent, probably

 

[Rarre]

I doubt you'd get better source than "source close to the publisher", but I know enough about projects like this to know repairing a failed project is sometimes more costly than doing it again from the scratch.

Maybe, but when they remove all of Mitsoda's writing, they better quit calling the new game "Bloodlines 2" as well! Also Rik Schaffer just released a new album with some songs that were in the Bloodlines 2 promo...

So isthis game canceled? Are these tracks no longer part of the game? Weird, really weird...

 

[PlacidDragon]

So isthis game canceled? Are these tracks no longer part of the game? Weird, really weird...

No, the game is not canceled. Paradox stated that they would be switching developer (from Hardsuit to unnamed), and we haven't really heard anything since. Bloodlines 2 was to be the "centerpiece" of Paradox's new "World of Darkness" franchise (which makes one wonder why they gave it to Hardsuit in the first place, but it was probably cheap). And of course Hardsuit had Brian Mitsoda at the time, which was used as the sole selling point in the marketing for quite some time.

Since we have not heard from Paradox since the developer switch, one can assume that they've probably ran into a snag or ten. Among popular theories are having to start from scratch (not that inconceivable really, as Hardsuit had been making games in the Unreal engine for 20 years. If Bloodlines 2 didn't "work" with what Hardsuit was doing (and looking at the demo, it really didn't), i dont think they could salvage much if any of the code). Then we have what Raghar (i believe ?) said, that they no longer wanted to use Mitsoda's story.. having to make a new story easily adds quite a bit of development time (and reinforces the notion that they'll start from scratch). As does the news that Wesp dropped that "Rik Schaffer just released a new album with some songs that were in the Bloodlines 2 promo" (again leaning towards a "new direction").

Ultimately, i dont know, and all of the above is just speculation (or rambling, depending....lol). Until Paradox announces something, the best we can get is probably "a source close to the publisher"

Edit : ahh, i forgot. When the problems started, and it became obvious that Hardsuit were in waaaaaay over their heads, Paradox hired what is popularly called an "axe man" (Alexandre Mandryka), to tie things together, get rid of any excess content and "bloat", and get the product out the door. Well, he didn't have much success with that, which also lends a lot of weight to the "starting from scratch" theory.

 

[ChildInTime]

In other news, they just announced the Sabbat book for V5. Looks terrible.

Don't worry, I bet they are all incloosive too, just like Rudi is.

"We might be literal walking corpses damned for all eternity by god himself to feed on the blood of humans and revel in all the death and destruction we cause, but we'll still respect your pronouns, Caindammit!" - V5 Sabbat Regent, probably

The 'writers' for this abortion of a tabletop book said they won't allow people to actually play Sabbat, only use them as the evilest of evil antagonists. So perhaps sabbat will be bad enough not to use the preferred pronouns of the brave nonbinary black identifying gay thinbloods.

 

[Storyfag]

So perhaps sabbat will be bad enough not to use the preferred pronouns of the brave nonbinary black identifying gay thinbloods.

This is literally worse than Hitle diablerie. Shaking atm.

 

[True Ukrainian]

Sabbat are 100% white.

 

[Rahdulan]

Well, they put Hillary Clinton as Ventrue in V5 corebook. Maybe it'll be Trump's turn in Sabbat?

 

[PlacidDragon]

Maybe it'll be Trump's turn in Sabbat?

Cant be. As daveyarsegallant said, the Sabbat are 100 % white. Trump is orange :p

 

[True Ukrainian]

Maybe it'll be Trump's turn in Sabbat?

Cant be. As daveyarsegallant said, the Sabbat are 100 % white. Trump is orange :p

Sunburn. Trump was embraced at the time of the setting sun and accidentally exposed himself.

 

[PlacidDragon]

Sunburn. Trump was embraced at the time of the setting sun and accidentally exposed himself.

ahhh, how.. unfortunate :D

 

[Justicar]

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[fantadomat]

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[Jenkem]

we're recycling posts now?