World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[RaggleFraggle]

As a starving man you may find the recent Werewolf WoD game of some sustenance. It's best viewed as a 90's game found in a time capsule.

Which one? There’s like two and they’re both terrible. Tying werewolves into anarcho-primitivist ecoterrorism was a shitty idea.

Aside from opening the door to the retardation of 1/4 vamps and 3/16th vamps, here you go:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/vtm-thin-bloods-are-stupid.140859/

Uh… Are you unfamiliar with Vampire Hunter D, Blade and BloodRayne?

 

[Vincente]

Tying werewolves into anarcho-primitivist ecoterrorism was a shitty idea.

What manner of man wouldn't want to roleplay as werewolf Unabomber?

 

[J1M]

As a starving man you may find the recent Werewolf WoD game of some sustenance. It's best viewed as a 90's game found in a time capsule.

Which one? There’s like two and they’re both terrible. Tying werewolves into anarcho-primitivist ecoterrorism was a shitty idea.

Aside from opening the door to the retardation of 1/4 vamps and 3/16th vamps, here you go:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/vtm-thin-bloods-are-stupid.140859/

Uh… Are you unfamiliar with Vampire Hunter D, Blade and BloodRayne?

Earthblood.

I don't think Blade is a better action movie because he is a half-breed. I think it would be less convoluted and less problematic to the setting if he was a full vampire that resisted turning evil for some reason.

 

[deuxhero]

Speaking of vampire-based urban fantasy, has anyone mentioned Redfall yet?

Looks bland and the gameplay they've shown so far looks like shit. Not to mention, I don't really care for the co-op aspect of the game or that you're playing as vampire hunters.

How many other games let you play vampire hunters?

 

[Zombra]

I don't think Blade is a better action movie because he is a half-breed. I think it would be less convoluted and less problematic to the setting if he was a full vampire that resisted turning evil for some reason.

Don't get it twisted. Blade isn't problematic to the setting. If anything's wrong it's that the setting can't rise to his level.

 

[Roguey]

Earthblood.

I don't think Blade is a better action movie because he is a half-breed. I think it would be less convoluted and less problematic to the setting if he was a full vampire that resisted turning evil for some reason.

But then he wouldn't be the DAYWALKER.

 

[Delterius]

blade can't be problematic to the setting it's even called THEBAS (the blade asskicking setting)

 

[RaggleFraggle]

I think we have the opposite problem. Half-vampire protagonists like D, Rayne and Blade are typically depicted as overpowered compared to full vampires.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I think we have the opposite problem. Half-vampire protagonists like D, Rayne and Blade are typically depicted as overpowered compared to full vampires.

Can't speak about the others, but Blade isn't overpowered due to being a half-vampire. Full vampires are stronger than him, but he also employs tech, training and conventional weaponry to balance things out (and he makes good use of his daywalking ability which isn't a great tradeoff for weaker vampiric powers if judged by itself). Basically it's a case of a protagonist that makes good use of the hand that he's been dealt while the antagonists are resting on their laurels.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

I think we have the opposite problem. Half-vampire protagonists like D, Rayne and Blade are typically depicted as overpowered compared to full vampires.

Can't speak about the others, but Blade isn't overpowered due to being a half-vampire. Full vampires are stronger than him, but he also employs tech, training and conventional weaponry to balance things out (and he makes good use of his daywalking ability which isn't a great tradeoff for weaker vampiric powers if judged by itself). Basically it's a case of a protagonist that makes good use of the hand that he's been dealt while the antagonists are resting on their laurels.

I’m mostly familiar with the movies where he easily mows down hordes of vampire mooks.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I’m mostly familiar with the movies where he easily mows down hordes of vampire mooks.

Sure, but even the movies frame it as a matter of good tactics and cutting (/shooting) them down before they have time to react (from what I recall anyway, haven't watched the movies in a long time). Superior vamp powers don't mean jackshit if your enemy doesn't give you the time or opportunity to make good use of them.

 

[Roguey]

Vampires in fiction are like ninja, the greater the attacking number, the more easily disposed of they are regardless of who the protagonist is, while a lone figure will be extremely difficult for anyone.

 

[J1M]

I’m mostly familiar with the movies where he easily mows down hordes of vampire mooks.

Sure, but even the movies frame it as a matter of good tactics and cutting (/shooting) them down before they have time to react (from what I recall anyway, haven't watched the movies in a long time). Superior vamp powers don't mean jackshit if your enemy doesn't give you the time or opportunity to make good use of them.

Saying that a bullet is magic or silver and therefore can kill a vampire the way a regular bullet kills a human sucks a lot of the life out of vampire antagonists.

My plebeian understanding of Blade's nature is that he is basically not vulnerable to the things vampires or humans are vulnerable to while LARPing about wanting to drink blood.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

I think we have the opposite problem. Half-vampire protagonists like D, Rayne and Blade are typically depicted as overpowered compared to full vampires.

Can't speak about the others, but Blade isn't overpowered due to being a half-vampire. Full vampires are stronger than him, but he also employs tech, training and conventional weaponry to balance things out (and he makes good use of his daywalking ability which isn't a great tradeoff for weaker vampiric powers if judged by itself). Basically it's a case of a protagonist that makes good use of the hand that he's been dealt while the antagonists are resting on their laurels.

And D is overpowered because he's the son of the vampire king, progenitor of the vampiric race.

No idea who Rayne is.

Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust is great if you're into vampires, an absolute must watch.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Saying that a bullet is magic or silver and therefore can kill a vampire the way a regular bullet kills a human sucks a lot of the life out of vampire antagonists.

Sure, but that's a common trope of the vamp genre for better or worse. And if we're talking about more action-focused franchises like Blade, is it really that different from a mundane action film in which our outnumbered hero defeats a shitload of enemies?

 

[Cricket McBangle]

As a starving man you may find the recent Werewolf WoD game of some sustenance. It's best viewed as a 90's game found in a time capsule.

Which one? There’s like two and they’re both terrible. Tying werewolves into anarcho-primitivist ecoterrorism was a shitty idea.

How the fuck is making werewolves violent territorial hippies a shitty idea? They are werewolves. It's the same shit as making vampires a secret organization sucking the life and controlling the strings wherever they reside.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

As a starving man you may find the recent Werewolf WoD game of some sustenance. It's best viewed as a 90's game found in a time capsule.

Which one? There’s like two and they’re both terrible. Tying werewolves into anarcho-primitivist ecoterrorism was a shitty idea.

How the fuck is making werewolves violent territorial hippies a shitty idea? They are werewolves. It's the same shit as making vampires a secret organization sucking the life and controlling the strings wherever they reside.

How familiar are you with the IP? Did you read the Children of Gaia splatbook that enshrines a gay furry sex ritual into the rules? The Book of the Weaver that says the Christian God is just “The Patriarch,” a mid-tier patsy for a cosmic spider, and that technology and science is inherently evil, uncreative, and will destroy the world with stagnation? Did you read the backstory where it was explained ancient werewolves practiced eugenics on mortals by periodically purging the “weak” and many still yearn for those days?

The plot of Earthblood consists of fighting a Satanic oil company that deliberately pollutes in order to cause the apocalypse. What about that doesn’t sound like a shitty idea to you?

 

[Delterius]

The plot of Earthblood consists of fighting a Satanic oil company

sounds relatable tbh hope it includes fighting satanic factory farming too

 

[RaggleFraggle]

The plot of Earthblood consists of fighting a Satanic oil company

sounds relatable tbh hope it includes fighting satanic factory farming too

In real life, humans pollute due to stupidity and not deliberate malice. Promoting this Captain Planet nonsense doesn’t do anyone favors.

What I would do instead is a plot about some ecoterrorists who steal shapeshifting magic from an innocent long-suffering Amerindian wizard, then use it to massacre miners, loggers, and families at company picnics. The PC is a werewolf, employed by the police/FBI/military, assigned to bring these culturally appropriating mass murdering psychopaths to justice.

 

[Delterius]

In real life, humans pollute due to stupidity

well i disagree there. there's nothing stupid about industrialization. the truth is humans pollute - more than they ought to at least - out of greed. which is a sin. and in the world of darkness demons do exist and work on humanity.

i'm not even vegan but stuff like factory farming and all the lead/microplastics lodged in our brains already come across as satanic irl. why, there are many such evil worshippers right in this thread. wouldn't fault anyone for thinking the devil has something to do with such industries.

the world of darkness presents itself as gothicpunk. it would take massive amounts of straight up delusion to think werewolves should be about defending mega-corporate interests instead of, you know, rebelling against them.

 

[Cricket McBangle]

As a starving man you may find the recent Werewolf WoD game of some sustenance. It's best viewed as a 90's game found in a time capsule.

Which one? There’s like two and they’re both terrible. Tying werewolves into anarcho-primitivist ecoterrorism was a shitty idea.

How the fuck is making werewolves violent territorial hippies a shitty idea? They are werewolves. It's the same shit as making vampires a secret organization sucking the life and controlling the strings wherever they reside.

How familiar are you with the IP? Did you read the Children of Gaia splatbook that enshrines a gay furry sex ritual into the rules? The Book of the Weaver that says the Christian God is just “The Patriarch,” a mid-tier patsy for a cosmic spider, and that technology and science is inherently evil, uncreative, and will destroy the world with stagnation? Did you read the backstory where it was explained ancient werewolves practiced eugenics on mortals by periodically purging the “weak” and many still yearn for those days?

The plot of Earthblood consists of fighting a Satanic oil company that deliberately pollutes in order to cause the apocalypse. What about that doesn’t sound like a shitty idea to you?

That Satanic oil company is controlled by Pentex, who serves the Wyrm, the primary thing that the Garou battle against so they protect Gaia. I don't really like Earthblood but it is consistent with the overall greater logic and conflicts found in WTA. Not polluting for the sake of polluting. Even then, corporations polluting has a profit incentive anyway.

Just like that other shit you're trying to list (I thought ideas were cheap and execution was all that mattered ), you've once again left out context. Do you just have a problem with anything that depicts the Christian God as something other than the Christian God? Pick up the Old Testament. In fact, it is perfectly understandable that some Werewolves would come to the conclusions about The Patriarch being a servant of the Wyrm. Key word is some.

I don't get how any of that is inherently shitty to writing out a history werewolves and how differing beliefs, even GAY FURRY SEX, can evolve from living a lifestyle relatively isolated and your life being about fighting for Gaia.

The plot of Earthblood consists of fighting a Satanic oil company

sounds relatable tbh hope it includes fighting satanic factory farming too

In real life, humans pollute due to stupidity and not deliberate malice. Promoting this Captain Planet nonsense doesn’t do anyone favors.

What I would do instead is a plot about some ecoterrorists who steal shapeshifting magic from an innocent long-suffering Amerindian wizard, then use it to massacre miners, loggers, and families at company picnics. The PC is a werewolf, employed by the police/FBI/military, assigned to bring these culturally appropriating mass murdering psychopaths to justice.

"Humans don't pollute for the sake of deliberate malice."

"In MY ideal WTA story, a group of uppity terrorists kill a bunch of innocent people and you're a Mercenary for hire. How cool is that?! It's just like Call of Duty! Except better because you're a werewolf!"

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Even then, corporations polluting has a profit incentive anyway.

They can pollute the exact same amounts and not profit - by giving away all their profit to charities. What would the furries say then? It's still pollution, and it's done for the creation of products that people want.

Profit is only a certain way of redistributing money. Redistribute it differently and what does it change to pollution itself? Nothing. Hence, profit is a non-issue. It's only brought up by edgy teens who don't understand anything and don't have enough pocket money for some toy.

 

[Delterius]

They can pollute the exact same amounts and not profit - by giving away all their profit to charities. What would the furries say then?

do public relations redeem the sins of man?

besides the original point stands. corporations aren't incompetent or stupid. they are meant to cut costs and make profits.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

They can pollute the exact same amounts and not profit - by giving away all their profit to charities. What would the furries say then?

do public relations redeem the sins of man?

besides the original point stands. corporations aren't incompetent or stupid. they are meant to cut costs and make profits.

Make profits by creating products that people want, which is an objective good.
Fucking were-trannies are fighting on the side of evil.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

In real life, humans pollute due to stupidity

well i disagree there. there's nothing stupid about industrialization. the truth is humans pollute - more than they ought to at least - out of greed. which is a sin. and in the world of darkness demons do exist and work on humanity.

You have to be pretty stupid to let your greed drive you to make these decisions despite the ample scientific evidence of danger.

i'm not even vegan but stuff like factory farming and all the lead/microplastics lodged in our brains already come across as satanic irl. why, there are many such evil worshippers right in this thread. wouldn't fault anyone for thinking the devil has something to do with such industries.

But in real life, it’s not literally Satanic and few believe it is. I’ve seen no shortage of mass destruction caused by the other side (e.g. the Sri Lanka food crisis caused by switching to organic farming, Germany’s power crisis).

the world of darkness presents itself as gothicpunk. it would take massive amounts of straight up delusion to think werewolves should be about defending mega-corporate interests instead of, you know, rebelling against them.

I’m not suggesting defending corporate interests. Fuck corpos. I thought it would be funny to paint the ecoterrorists as villains for once.

(I thought ideas were cheap and execution was all that mattered

I thought WoD was a tired outdated IP that nobody wants to work on?