World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 - VTMB sequel from The Chinese Room - coming early 2025

[Vincente]

Can you imagine if they also made the player character arms black? We would have ten more pages of shitpost.

Shitposting is often more fun than modern SJW games.

''I bet this game will have TRANNIES!'', 10 billion funny ratings.

 

[Delterius]

Now, I don't know where the choice to use source and not just make a vampire game like Arcanum came from

I think BL1's artstyle is so well realized, there must have been a vision behind going first person / 3D. They must have chosen Source with a purpose in mind. Then again Valve's games are very very linear, so I suppose they ran into unforeseen consequences when using their tech.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

Troika wanted to make a Deus Ex/Ultima Underworld-inspired sequel to Arcanum, and Bloodlines came after that project couldn't move forward, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Delterius]

Troika wanted to make a Deus Ex/Ultima Underworld-inspired sequel to Arcanum, and Bloodlines came after that project couldn't move forward, if I'm not mistaken.

Fwiw I just remembered that though Troika's heart was in the heart place they were always biting more than they could chew. Even if Troika wanted to make Bloodlines into a less linear experience, I doubt they could have. BL1 was linear enough and it was a technical disaster. I doubt that the bugs and everything else is due to Source engine maybe not handling larger maps well. So, in a way, what Troika may or may not have wanted to do is immaterial. It's already great that BL1 wasn't as unfinished as, say, Arcanum.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

The Source Engine was still very much a work-in-progress while they were developing the game, to the point updates broke builds, and Troika had to make their own code for lots of stuff. If only Activision let them cook a while longer.

 

[Wesp5]

Why are you always talking about "her" moment? It means nothing to our character. Obviously its about woman with - "My blood is singing"

The official site says "A three-front siege on Seattle, a power vacuum in the vampire court and an awakened elder at odds with the voice in her head." Unless there is another elder I would assume the voice in her head refers to the awakened elder which is supposed to be the player according to other interviews. But then I am no native English speaker, so maybe "her" refers to Lou Grand (Is she Malkavian? I would guess not.) or whoever is fighting the player, I find it can be easily misunderstood though...

 

[Wesp5]

BL1 was linear enough and it was a technical disaster.

I believe Bloodlines found exactly the right balance between linear gameplay, which is important to get good stories, and a bit of open world, by using the hub design.

 

[Tao]

Why are you always talking about "her" moment? It means nothing to our character. Obviously its about woman with - "My blood is singing"

The official site says "A three-front siege on Seattle, a power vacuum in the vampire court and an awakened elder at odds with the voice in her head." Unless there is another elder I would assume the voice in her head refers to the awakened elder which is supposed to be the player according to other interviews. But then I am no native English speaker, so maybe "her" refers to Lou Grand (Is she Malkavian? I would guess not.) or whoever is fighting the player, I find it can be easily misunderstood though...

I wouldn't read too much on that. Even d&d use "her" now as default in their classes descriptions. It's the new woke retarded fad.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

I don't know, aside from the SJW themes that are as sure in modern gaming as my morning erections, the modern Vampire feels edgeless. This setting has always been stupid and really only Trokia got something out of it, but even the first edition had a "heterosexual entertainment" factor:

The new game looks very bland, probably like everything now. It's probably a deeper problem. Modern Westerners have no balls, no passion, no energy, no life...like vampires.

 

[Delterius]

Why are you always talking about "her" moment? It means nothing to our character. Obviously its about woman with - "My blood is singing"

The official site says "A three-front siege on Seattle, a power vacuum in the vampire court and an awakened elder at odds with the voice in her head." Unless there is another elder I would assume the voice in her head refers to the awakened elder which is supposed to be the player according to other interviews. But then I am no native English speaker, so maybe "her" refers to Lou Grand (Is she Malkavian? I would guess not.) or whoever is fighting the player, I find it can be easily misunderstood though...

I'd say the voice doesn't have to be a Malkavian plotpoint. It could be the Beast talking. Which is one interesting thing about vampires that BL1 chose not to portray.

I do think (hope) we are jumping the gun on wether the protagonist is gender locked or predefined. Then again if you could make your own character then it would be weird to use 'her' or 'his' instead of 'their'.

 

[The President]

The usage of her instead of something gender neutral is a modern ploy to pretend that they’re pro women. Of course “women” itself is now a loaded term to these retards.

 

[leino]

Why are you always talking about "her" moment? It means nothing to our character. Obviously its about woman with - "My blood is singing"

The official site says "A three-front siege on Seattle, a power vacuum in the vampire court and an awakened elder at odds with the voice in her head." Unless there is another elder I would assume the voice in her head refers to the awakened elder which is supposed to be the player according to other interviews. But then I am no native English speaker, so maybe "her" refers to Lou Grand (Is she Malkavian? I would guess not.) or whoever is fighting the player, I find it can be easily misunderstood though...

Isn't it pretty common to use either pronoun or for the author to default to his or her own? IIRC they're both used freely in tabletop WoD material for indeterminate characters.
I think people are overreading that line, "her" probably refers to the protag but a choice of clan is already confirmed so not getting to choose his/her sex would be weird.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

This setting has always been stupid

The only version of Vampire I still enjoy is the Dark Ages one. Feels like the setting just comes together better in that time period.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

This setting has always been stupid

The only version of Vampire I still enjoy is the Dark Ages one. Feels like the setting just comes together better in that time period.

I've never read those manuals, so I can't comment on that, but also I've never heard of anything particularly embarrassing about them or their playerbases.

 

[Delterius]

This setting has always been stupid

The only version of Vampire I still enjoy is the Dark Ages one. Feels like the setting just comes together better in that time period.

I've never read those manuals, so I can't comment on that, but also I've never heard of anything particularly embarrassing about them or their playerbases.

thats clearly a point against those settings ngl

 

[La vie sexuelle]

This setting has always been stupid

The only version of Vampire I still enjoy is the Dark Ages one. Feels like the setting just comes together better in that time period.

I've never read those manuals, so I can't comment on that, but also I've never heard of anything particularly embarrassing about them or their playerbases.

thats clearly a point against those settings ngl

Why? Not being cringe is a bad trait?

 

[Delterius]

This setting has always been stupid

The only version of Vampire I still enjoy is the Dark Ages one. Feels like the setting just comes together better in that time period.

I've never read those manuals, so I can't comment on that, but also I've never heard of anything particularly embarrassing about them or their playerbases.

thats clearly a point against those settings ngl

Why? Not being cringe is a bad trait?

look. its vampires and werewolves. the amount of effort to make it 100% not embarrassing has got to be cringe

 

[La vie sexuelle]

This setting has always been stupid

The only version of Vampire I still enjoy is the Dark Ages one. Feels like the setting just comes together better in that time period.

I've never read those manuals, so I can't comment on that, but also I've never heard of anything particularly embarrassing about them or their playerbases.

thats clearly a point against those settings ngl

Why? Not being cringe is a bad trait?

look. its vampires and werewolves. the amount of effort to make it 100% not embarrassing has got to be cringe

Maybe. But I'm only judging the vibe around Dark Ages. Maybe it's a matter of low popularity of this sub-setting.

 

[Wesp5]

The usage of her instead of something gender neutral is a modern ploy to pretend that they’re pro women.

Very weird and confusing to non English speaking people. I always thought that "they" is the correct term.

 

[ga♥]

The usage of her instead of something gender neutral is a modern ploy to pretend that they’re pro women.

Very weird and confusing to non English speaking people. I always thought that "they" is the correct term.

Hey, are you involved as you were with Hardsuit labs? Any contact with the Chinese Room?

 

[La vie sexuelle]

The usage of her instead of something gender neutral is a modern ploy to pretend that they’re pro women.

Very weird and confusing to non English speaking people. I always thought that "they" is the correct term.

Hey, are you involved as you were with Hardsuit labs? Any contact with the Chinese Room?

- Hallo. Is that The Chinese Room?
- Yes mate!
- I have question - why is so much trannies in your game?
- Oi! You cheeky bastard! ;P

 

[Jenkem]

The usage of her instead of something gender neutral is a modern ploy to pretend that they’re pro women.

Very weird and confusing to non English speaking people. I always thought that "they" is the correct term.

it's a specific thing WoD started doing to be edgy, it's now part of their brand. that's all there is to it.

 

[Herumor]

I always thought that "they" is the correct term.

It is. White Wolf (among others) just started randomly putting "her" instead in their splat-books and trying to act like that's gender-neutral when it's not.

 

[Ismaul]

it's a specific thing WoD started doing to be edgy

Nah, D&D 3.5E was already on that feminist pronoun bullshit.

They had a canon character for each class with a defined sex and race, and used that character's pronouns for all description involving that class. For example, the "iconic" Druid was female, so all the Druid's class description used female pronouns. The DM was also assumed to be female and they used female pronouns for it. For NPCs and other generic things, IIRC they alternated between pronouns.

 

[Storyfag]

Granted I know nothing about the Larps, this is interesting because maybe mitsoda and crew really departed heavily from V5.

They didn't.

Except for the Thinblood superpower bonanza needed for all their silly level traversal ideas...

Oh, Thinblood Alchemy isn't their invention either. From the wiki it's supposed to be able to mimick lesser effects of other disciplines. I'm sure there's a way to turn into mist if you can do that.

But the traversal disciplines weren't manifestations of thinblood alchemy. They were a thing of their own.