World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 - VTMB sequel from The Chinese Room - coming early 2025

[Herumor]

In official discord channel community manager Deb said that they will show us something very soon

She can't say anything until official news

Then why say anything at all? It's like an announcement for an announcement at some future date.

 

[Nortar]

In official discord channel community manager Deb said that they will show us something very soon

She can't say anything until official news

Then why say anything at all? It's like an announcement for an announcement at some future date.

Bro, it's hype-machine 101 - countdown for a teaser of announcement for announcement.
A nothingburger everyone's crazy about.

 

[Ismaul]

it's a specific thing WoD started doing to be edgy

Nah, D&D 3.5E was already on that feminist pronoun bullshit.

They had a canon character for each class with a defined sex and race, and used that character's pronouns for all description involving that class. For example, the "iconic" Druid was female, so all the Druid's class description used female pronouns. The DM was also assumed to be female and they used female pronouns for it. For NPCs and other generic things, IIRC they alternated between pronouns.

I can attest for DnD5, but 3.5? Naaah.

It was all over Eberron and Pathfinder manuals, which were near the end of 3.5 cycle. Dont think there was that thing in the Core handbooks.

Scroll up my man. Screens are from the core.

 

[leino]

Nigger I had the manuals open to confirm while writing.

I think it started with 3.5E and not 3E; not sure, I don't have the 3E manuals on hand anymore.

Here's part of p.33 of the 3.5E PHB, first page of the druid. Followed by p.42, the paladin. It's the same for the monk, rogue, wizard, and a lot of other stuff.

And here is the DMG 3.5E, p.11, with the switching between male and female pronouns when refering to a player. One could even say the connotations are more negative towards players with male pronouns, but I think that would be reading too much into it.

There is more obviously, those are just random pages I flipped to, manuals are like that all over.

The usage seems to predate 3.5e dnd in WoD cause checking the 2e VtM players guide from 1993 on libgen she appears throughout:

Spoiler

As an esl it seems fair enough to me, especially in a context like VtM where the characters in fact might as well be female as male. I think I've seen it in college textbooks so it may not even come from rpgs. Who knows

 

[skaraher]

it's a specific thing WoD started doing to be edgy

Nah, D&D 3.5E was already on that feminist pronoun bullshit.

They had a canon character for each class with a defined sex and race, and used that character's pronouns for all description involving that class. For example, the "iconic" Druid was female, so all the Druid's class description used female pronouns. The DM was also assumed to be female and they used female pronouns for it. For NPCs and other generic things, IIRC they alternated between pronouns.

I can attest for DnD5, but 3.5? Naaah.

It was all over Eberron and Pathfinder manuals, which were near the end of 3.5 cycle. Dont think there was that thing in the Core handbooks.

Scroll up my man. Screens are from the core.

My bad, never noticed it in the french manual so maybe it was canned by the translation team. Or maybe it's my rose tinted glasses speaking.

 

[Ismaul]

The usage seems to predate 3.5e dnd in WoD cause checking the 2e VtM players guide from 1993 on libgen she appears throughout

Damn, 1993.

Usage of pronouns on this page alternates and seems to fit gender stereotypes, wonder if it's all "sexist" like that from current year POV.

"Her" is used in regards to "calming her", and for a power to conceal mind and body. "He/Him" is used when talking of a "master" and his "victim" (because of the view that men must protect women, so you don't even put them in as example victims). That interpretation is probably reaching though.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

I haven't seen a Rudy post in a while. Is Gehenna upon us?

 

[Delterius]

codexian archeologists are now finding pronouns as far back as rome. 'how far does this conspiracy go', they whisper in the dark.

 

[RagingNomad]

I want to remind you that we already have "Character" folder in the game. So there is must to be possibility of gender and look choose. And for ppl who asked about world explanation for Elder: there is "Codex" folder such as in Swansong. I think game just give you terminology in the right time when it will needed.

 

[Herumor]

there is "Codex" folder such as in Swansong

I can understand these types of things in rather large settings, like the first Mass Effect, but for something like Bloodlines it's just not needed. You don't have to know everything, not everything needs to have an infodump dialogue or just straight up wiki pages pasted into some kind of in-game lexicon.

 

[Trithne]

there is "Codex" folder such as in Swansong

I can understand these types of things in rather large settings, like the first Mass Effect, but for something like Bloodlines it's just not needed. You don't have to know everything, not everything needs to have an infodump dialogue or just straight up wiki pages pasted into some kind of in-game lexicon.

You don't need to, but you will.

 

[Roguey]

there is "Codex" folder such as in Swansong

I can understand these types of things in rather large settings, like the first Mass Effect, but for something like Bloodlines it's just not needed. You don't have to know everything, not everything needs to have an infodump dialogue or just straight up wiki pages pasted into some kind of in-game lexicon.

Just part of the new accessibility. HSL's had one too.

 

[Vincente]

Snippet of in game dialogue.

 

[ColaWerewolf]

Snippet of in game dialogue.

>Thin blood ghouls

Wait wut

 

[Alienman]

Must be vaccine enjoyers.

 

[RagingNomad]

Why not? In V5 thinblood can do ghouls

Snippet of in game dialogue.

>Thin blood ghouls

Wait wut

 

[The President]

Was that from Hardsuit or TCR?

 

[Vincente]

Was that from Hardsuit or TCR?

TCR, it's in the dev reveal video.

 

[The President]

Interesting. Tully is the weird looking Nosferatu that was in the old HSL version too I think. In the new video it shows him hiding behind glass with what looks like rioters trying to get in. Maybe that’s it.

 

[ColaWerewolf]

Tully's nickname is likely "the Hive", there is amalgam of obfuscate and animalism (both Disciplines used by Nosferatu) to achieve this effect.
- Unliving Hive: Amalgam Obfuscate 2. The vampire can become a permanent home for swarms of flies or cockroaches or similar small creatures.

Ryong Choi is likely the asian woman we see in the trailer, who I also assume is the new Prince. From the live play it seems Lou still holds the actual power behind the scenes despite renouncing Praxis.

Thin-bloods seem to be captured and tortured by the Cam, so the mass thin-blood embrace might still be a plot point. What's strange is how cocky these "thin blood ghouls" are. And why the thin-bloods are tortured and not just Dominated for information then disposed of.

 

[Delterius]

there is "Codex" folder such as in Swansong

I can understand these types of things in rather large settings, like the first Mass Effect, but for something like Bloodlines it's just not needed. You don't have to know everything, not everything needs to have an infodump dialogue or just straight up wiki pages pasted into some kind of in-game lexicon.

On the contrary, I'd argue it's actually necessary this time. Vampire is full of little terms like Prince, Sheriff and so on. The player can probably assume what those mean. They can probably deduce that Camarilla stands for 'vampire government' and Anarch stands for 'people who want a different vampire government'. But then you've got Elysium, Thin-blooded, Kuei-jin, Harpy, Primogen, Hound, and it keeps going. So here's the problem. We're playing an Elder. We can't just be explained stuff outright. Having a Codex or hypertext would be a great help for the dialogue to flow better.

Case in point, BL1 didn't have a Codex. But it explained concepts like Elysium and Primogen in the loading screens. It's like a Codex with a luck factor involved.

 

[ColaWerewolf]

We're playing an Elder. We can't just be explained stuff outright. Having a Codex or hypertext would be a great help for the dialogue to flow better.

Perfect reasoning unfortunately the average player won't read any codex entries anyway.

It was tested with Swansong where a lot of the backstory happened in codex entries so that characters wouldn't go on a rant explaining their whole life story just for you to grasp their motivations. It all went unread anyway and people not knowing what the fuck was going on.

So I fully expect them to spoonfeed you like a toddler despite playing as an elder.

 

[skaraher]

Bloodlines never went overboard with WOD humongus (and mostly shit) lore. It used strictly what was necessary for the game's storytelling purpose and it was very good.

 

[Vincente]

Bloodlines never went overboard with WOD humongus (and mostly shit) lore. It used strictly what was necessary for the game's storytelling purpose and it was very good.

They mostly used the loading screen as necessary lore feed, like a small paragraph on Tzimizce before King's Way, or the Embrace before the first cinematic.

Ryong Choi is likely the asian woman we see in the trailer, who I also assume is the new Prince. From the live play it seems Lou still holds the actual power behind the scenes despite renouncing Praxis.

Ryang Choi seems like a masculine name, doubt that's the woman in the trailer, also they already mentioned the new Prince's name in the liveplay.

 

[Delterius]

It was tested with Swansong where a lot of the backstory happened in codex entries

I mean, that's pretty bad too. Codex entries should be utilitarian. Things shouldn't be so in media res I have to do homework to understand someone's motivations. At that point you should take the hypothetical rant, cut the shaff, and simply have the character act according to someone who lived the events of the rant. People will get the message.

I now realize it would be rather amusing if you, the protagonist, ended up explaining to a neonate what Elysium and shit are.